Kings - Nets - Toronto

[LightTheBeam]

Kings out: Barnes, Huerter, Mitchell, Duarte or Sasha, #13, 2025 2nd
Kings on: Cam Johnson, DFS, Schroder

Toronto out: Bruce Brown
Toronto in: Huerter, Duarte or Sasha, 2025 Kings 2nd

Brooklyn out: Cam, DFS, Schroder
Brooklyn in: Barnes, Mitchell, Bruce Brown, #13

Kings go shopping for new pieces. Upgrade Barnes to Cam, get a nice wing defender, and Schroder helps replace the scoring we stand to lose from Monk.
Fox - Keon - Keegan - Cam - Sabonis
Schroder - MLE - DFS - Lyles

Why for Toronto? Often discussed. Take a chance on Huerter and get a 2nd. They get to pick an expiring Duarte, or Sasha.

Why for Brooklyn? Keep 2025 FA alive, get a lotto pick, add some jordi familiarity with Dav and Barnes.

[Godaddycurse]

would need that to be POR 2nd instead of kings 2nd

[Texas Chuck]

Feels like the Kings are overpaying here for what probably aren't big upgrades. Brooklyn should jump on this super quickly and even send some value back to Sacramento. Not sure on the Raps. Is the Kings 2nd enough for them to take on the future salary of Huerter? Maybe? He does have some utility for them in replacing GTJ.

I don't mind this if Brooklyn sends value back to Sacramento.

[LightTheBeam]

Feels like the Kings are overpaying here for what probably aren't big upgrades. Brooklyn should jump on this super quickly and even send some value back to Sacramento. Not sure on the Raps. Is the Kings 2nd enough for them to take on the future salary of Huerter? Maybe? He does have some utility for them in replacing GTJ.

I don't mind this if Brooklyn sends value back to Sacramento.

Ya I really don't love this for Sac, especially with DFS/Schroder contracts and Cams regression. I'm just looking tired of looking at Kuzma/Collins/Grant, honestly I don't like any of them. Hopefully Monte has a vision brighter than mine lol

[Netaman]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

Brooklyn would need to add value but maybe not too much.

Something DFS, Dayron Sharpe and 3 2nds?

[Netaman]

Here's a slightly simpler version from the SAC end, though more complicated on the TOR end (if im remembering right Masai tried to get Simmons a few years ago from PHI before all the injuries, so getting him now as an expiring with picks attached as a salary dump seems very Masai).

So who says no?

[Netaman]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

Brooklyn would need to add value but maybe not too much.

Something DFS, Dayron Sharpe and 3 2nds?

In a weak draft seems like overpay. Sharpe is 22 with 1 more cheap year, not sure id trade him for 13 straight up unless there's a prospect they love.

adding a future 2nd or two with DFS is fine.

[OGSactownballer]

Feels like the Kings are overpaying here for what probably aren't big upgrades. Brooklyn should jump on this super quickly and even send some value back to Sacramento. Not sure on the Raps. Is the Kings 2nd enough for them to take on the future salary of Huerter? Maybe? He does have some utility for them in replacing GTJ.

I don't mind this if Brooklyn sends value back to Sacramento.

Agree with Chuck here for this in a vacuum.

Personally I’m not interested. I am not and never will be a fan of Cam and he is not improving as he should for that contract he is regressing. And it doesn’t solve our biggest hole - PF - effectively as Cam is more of a wing defender himself and not a power option in the post as a supplement to Domas. DFS has never really moved the needle for me the way Royce would have before he was sent out so he’s at best a neutral here. And Schroeder is a well known quantity and would only be necessary if Monk walks and even then he tends to get too “legend in his own mind” and we thrive with a team play energy and strategy.

I think I’d pass on this for Sac. There are better deals that even are smaller ones out there that are more effectively suited to our needs.

[OGSactownballer]

Feels like the Kings are overpaying here for what probably aren't big upgrades. Brooklyn should jump on this super quickly and even send some value back to Sacramento. Not sure on the Raps. Is the Kings 2nd enough for them to take on the future salary of Huerter? Maybe? He does have some utility for them in replacing GTJ.

I don't mind this if Brooklyn sends value back to Sacramento.

Ya I really don't love this for Sac, especially with DFS/Schroder contracts and Cams regression. I'm just looking tired of looking at Kuzma/Collins/Grant, honestly I don't like any of them. Hopefully Monte has a vision brighter than mine lol

I’d take Kuzma 10/10 times and probably Collin’s too in a similar value deal before I touch Cam.

He’s false fire.

I don’t want any part of Grant ever. The money and age are just stupid and he’s way overrated by his early career for what he has become.

But this doesn’t really work and is at best lateral and at worst negative. It’s a chemistry killer from my perspective. And the talent or fits cannot overcome that.

[OGSactownballer]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

You are kidding right?!?!

In what universe does the current DFS value as a lotto pick in ANY draft? Let alone with added value. That’s ludicrous.

[Netaman]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

You are kidding right?!?!

In what universe does the current DFS value as a lotto pick in ANY draft? Let alone with added value. That’s ludicrous.

i guess we'll see, but if it's as weak of a draft as everyone says what is a late lotto pick worth? Nets got the 20th pick for Thad Young a bunch of years ago. They traded I think what was the 23rd pick for Royce Oneale a few years ago. They traded a similar pick the year before for Landry Shamet. Covington/Tucker got traded for firsts in the last several years.

so depending on how strong/weak a draft is, I think DFS is probably worth a back half first rounder or else the nets will just keep him. dont think it's crazy that in a weak draft there could be a team higher than that willing to move out if there isnt anyone on their board they are that interested in. it's also possible nets need to add something with DFS to make the value work or it's just part of a bigger trade. almost any contender could use a DFS type more than a rookie who probably wont play much, and there are a lot of teams that fit that description in the middle of the first round.

[LightTheBeam]

Feels like the Kings are overpaying here for what probably aren't big upgrades. Brooklyn should jump on this super quickly and even send some value back to Sacramento. Not sure on the Raps. Is the Kings 2nd enough for them to take on the future salary of Huerter? Maybe? He does have some utility for them in replacing GTJ.

I don't mind this if Brooklyn sends value back to Sacramento.

Ya I really don't love this for Sac, especially with DFS/Schroder contracts and Cams regression. I'm just looking tired of looking at Kuzma/Collins/Grant, honestly I don't like any of them. Hopefully Monte has a vision brighter than mine lol

I’d take Kuzma 10/10 times and probably Collin’s too in a similar value deal before I touch Cam.

He’s false fire.

I don’t want any part of Grant ever. The money and age are just stupid and he’s way overrated by his early career for what he has become.

But this doesn’t really work and is at best lateral and at worst negative. It’s a chemistry killer from my perspective. And the talent or fits cannot overcome that.

I agree, Kuzma > Cam. Especially for what Sac needs. But does the addition of DFS/Denis change that? Maybe not.

Had some good convos with Nate about a potential Kings Wizards trade. I think if we can get 26 back from them, then use that and Huerter elsewhere i'd look there first.

[LightTheBeam]

Yea, I'm not seeing any variation where Sac trades 13 to Brooklyn for DFS unless some future 1sts are coming back. I like DFS but he's coming off a down year, hes 31, and he's expiring, and current DFS is really a 7th/8th man on a good team. I'd put his value a lot closer to a handful of 2nds.

[Netaman]

Yea, I'm not seeing any variation where Sac trades 13 to Brooklyn for DFS unless some future 1sts are coming back. I like DFS but he's coming off a down year, hes 31, and he's expiring, and current DFS is really a 7th/8th man on a good team. I'd put his value a lot closer to a handful of 2nds.

he is not coming off a down year. for those that watched him he was easily better than cam johnson and he's paid a lot less. look at the contracts max strus and grant williams got last year, winning teams value players like DFS and i dont think its a stretch one (or more) of them is going to be willing to give up a pick they arent that enamored with in a weak draft, saving the money on the FRP gtd contract, and not having to give out a big deal in FA. there arent even that many guys in that role in this years FA class (i dont think oubre, toppin, or bey are better than DFS, and they are likely to get paid more). when you are talking about role players i dont think age matters that much unless you think the player has potential to be more than a role player. DFS is still a high level defender, reliable health-wise, and able to knock down 3's on high volume, in the nets case without any sort of star player feeding him consistent open looks.

[LightTheBeam]

Yea, I'm not seeing any variation where Sac trades 13 to Brooklyn for DFS unless some future 1sts are coming back. I like DFS but he's coming off a down year, hes 31, and he's expiring, and current DFS is really a 7th/8th man on a good team. I'd put his value a lot closer to a handful of 2nds.

he is not coming off a down year. for those that watched him he was easily better than cam johnson and he's paid a lot less. look at the contracts max strus and grant williams got last year, winning teams value players like DFS and i dont think its a stretch one (or more) of them is going to be willing to give up a pick they arent that enamored with in a weak draft, saving the money on the FRP gtd contract, and not having to give out a big deal in FA. there arent even that many guys in that role in this years FA class (i dont think oubre, toppin, or bey are better than DFS, and they are likely to get paid more). when you are talking about role players i dont think age matters that much unless you think the player has potential to be more than a role player. DFS is still a high level defender, reliable health-wise, and able to knock down 3's on high volume, in the nets case without any sort of star player feeding him consistent open looks.

Strus is better and probably got too much, I don't see anyone thinking he's still worth a first a good first. Grant Williams was a downright bad contract 1 month into the season. Not saying DFS isn't decent, I'm saying that he's not fetching #13. There isn't an argument for it regardless of the type of draft.

We are talking about a guy who averaged 8ppg, plays decent defense and shot 35% from 3. This isn't some special player. He's a 7-8th man. #13 is a pipedream. If they could get expiring salary and a late 1st they should take it.

[OGSactownballer]

Really like this for Nets. Good effort.

If I had to predict a Nets trade this summer, it would be something built on DFS for #13, with the most simple version probably being DFS for #13/Mitchell/Duarte (or whatever back end bench guys from SAC Jordi likes).

You are kidding right?!?!

In what universe does the current DFS value as a lotto pick in ANY draft? Let alone with added value. That’s ludicrous.

i guess we'll see, but if it's as weak of a draft as everyone says what is a late lotto pick worth? Nets got the 20th pick for Thad Young a bunch of years ago. They traded I think what was the 23rd pick for Royce Oneale a few years ago. They traded a similar pick the year before for Landry Shamet. Covington/Tucker got traded for firsts in the last several years.

so depending on how strong/weak a draft is, I think DFS is probably worth a back half first rounder or else the nets will just keep him. dont think it's crazy that in a weak draft there could be a team higher than that willing to move out if there isnt anyone on their board they are that interested in. it's also possible nets need to add something with DFS to make the value work or it's just part of a bigger trade. almost any contender could use a DFS type more than a rookie who probably wont play much, and there are a lot of teams that fit that description in the middle of the first round.

Logical but again 13 is still a lotto pick even though it’s the back end. In a flat draft the reason why nobody likes the “quality” is that there aren’t clear cut top three and tiers but a bunch of opinions that basically translate to everyone above pick 20 could be a quality player or have been the guy who should have been the top rated group.

So DFS who is a rotational guy at best on a contender (remember that his value to other teams is far less than his value to a lotto team in the Nets) isn’t worth more than at most a very late (23-25 or later) pick because he would be an extra role player for the teams in that range.

And your examples of Thad Young and Royce O’Neale are perfect ones to prove my point. Fading or maxed out role players who look good on a lotto team but are nothing more than a bench role player or emergency guy for a contender.

DFS might return 2 seconds from a team like Sac (not the Por one but Sac 2nds) as a deadline dump to get Sac some bench insurance for a playoff run. But that’s about it.

[OxAndFox]

DFS for #13?
That is about as horrible as it gets. And then you think the Kings need to pay more? It's 2024, not 2021.

I still don't understand why people just parrot what others say, but then add there own spin to it.
The reason it's considered a "weak" draft is at the top end. The talents simply isn't there 1-4. After that there are tons of great talent and in a couple of years we will be hearing, why was the 2024 draft considered "weak"?

[Netaman]

You are kidding right?!?!

In what universe does the current DFS value as a lotto pick in ANY draft? Let alone with added value. That’s ludicrous.

i guess we'll see, but if it's as weak of a draft as everyone says what is a late lotto pick worth? Nets got the 20th pick for Thad Young a bunch of years ago. They traded I think what was the 23rd pick for Royce Oneale a few years ago. They traded a similar pick the year before for Landry Shamet. Covington/Tucker got traded for firsts in the last several years.

so depending on how strong/weak a draft is, I think DFS is probably worth a back half first rounder or else the nets will just keep him. dont think it's crazy that in a weak draft there could be a team higher than that willing to move out if there isnt anyone on their board they are that interested in. it's also possible nets need to add something with DFS to make the value work or it's just part of a bigger trade. almost any contender could use a DFS type more than a rookie who probably wont play much, and there are a lot of teams that fit that description in the middle of the first round.

Logical but again 13 is still a lotto pick even though it’s the back end. In a flat draft the reason why nobody likes the “quality” is that there aren’t clear cut top three and tiers but a bunch of opinions that basically translate to everyone above pick 20 could be a quality player or have been the guy who should have been the top rated group.

So DFS who is a rotational guy at best on a contender (remember that his value to other teams is far less than his value to a lotto team in the Nets) isn’t worth more than at most a very late (23-25 or later) pick because he would be an extra role player for the teams in that range.

And your examples of Thad Young and Royce O’Neale are perfect ones to prove my point. Fading or maxed out role players who look good on a lotto team but are nothing more than a bench role player or emergency guy for a contender.

DFS might return 2 seconds from a team like Sac (not the Por one but Sac 2nds) as a deadline dump to get Sac some bench insurance for a playoff run. But that’s about it.

so pick #20-23 are "perfect comps", but you somehow seeing a dramatic difference between those picks and pick #13 in what is considered a really weak draft? I've said the Nets may need to add in some 2nds or there may be some other assets involved but i think you are overstating the difference in what amounts to 7-10 pick slots based on what we see every year even when drafts aren't considered "weak".

I get that it's "flat" and "there are good players every year", but I think you are getting hung up on the phrase "lotto pick". The Nets took Noah Clowney #21 last year and they wouldn't trade him straight up for multiple lotto guys who went ahead of him. I'd imagine same is true of Heat/JJ, Houston/Whitmore, GS/Podz who went #18-20. Had it worked cap wise, do you think LAL would have preferred to have DFS to help guard down the stretch of close playoff games or JHS not getting off the bench since early March?

if you guys think SAC doesn't need DFS you would 100% know that better than I would, but I think there will likely be a playoff type team who has the cap flexibility to find a way to get DFS that is willing to trade their first if they dont have something better to do with it (or aren't enamored with anyone, which id imagine happens really quickly in this draft if clingan is really in top 3 consideration). Again, cap situations or possibly using the pick in other deals aside, there are a bunch of playoff teams in the middle of the round who make sense for DFS, some who have been linked to him before (LAL, MIA, ORL, OKC, PHI, CLE).

[LightTheBeam]

i guess we'll see, but if it's as weak of a draft as everyone says what is a late lotto pick worth? Nets got the 20th pick for Thad Young a bunch of years ago. They traded I think what was the 23rd pick for Royce Oneale a few years ago. They traded a similar pick the year before for Landry Shamet. Covington/Tucker got traded for firsts in the last several years.

so depending on how strong/weak a draft is, I think DFS is probably worth a back half first rounder or else the nets will just keep him. dont think it's crazy that in a weak draft there could be a team higher than that willing to move out if there isnt anyone on their board they are that interested in. it's also possible nets need to add something with DFS to make the value work or it's just part of a bigger trade. almost any contender could use a DFS type more than a rookie who probably wont play much, and there are a lot of teams that fit that description in the middle of the first round.

Logical but again 13 is still a lotto pick even though it’s the back end. In a flat draft the reason why nobody likes the “quality” is that there aren’t clear cut top three and tiers but a bunch of opinions that basically translate to everyone above pick 20 could be a quality player or have been the guy who should have been the top rated group.

So DFS who is a rotational guy at best on a contender (remember that his value to other teams is far less than his value to a lotto team in the Nets) isn’t worth more than at most a very late (23-25 or later) pick because he would be an extra role player for the teams in that range.

And your examples of Thad Young and Royce O’Neale are perfect ones to prove my point. Fading or maxed out role players who look good on a lotto team but are nothing more than a bench role player or emergency guy for a contender.

DFS might return 2 seconds from a team like Sac (not the Por one but Sac 2nds) as a deadline dump to get Sac some bench insurance for a playoff run. But that’s about it.

so pick #20-23 are "perfect comps", but you somehow seeing a dramatic difference between those picks and pick #13 in what is considered a really weak draft? I've said the Nets may need to add in some 2nds or there may be some other assets involved but i think you are overstating the difference in what amounts to 7-10 pick slots based on what we see every year even when drafts aren't considered "weak".

I get that it's "flat" and "there are good players every year", but I think you are getting hung up on the phrase "lotto pick". The Nets took Noah Clowney #21 last year and they wouldn't trade him straight up for multiple lotto guys who went ahead of him. I'd imagine same is true of Heat/JJ, Houston/Whitmore, GS/Podz who went #18-20. Had it worked cap wise, do you think LAL would have preferred to have DFS to help guard down the stretch of close playoff games or JHS not getting off the bench since early March?

if you guys think SAC doesn't need DFS you would 100% know that better than I would, but I think there will likely be a playoff type team who has the cap flexibility to find a way to get DFS that is willing to trade their first if they dont have something better to do with it (or aren't enamored with anyone, which id imagine happens really quickly in this draft if clingan is really in top 3 consideration). Again, cap situations or possibly using the pick in other deals aside, there are a bunch of playoff teams in the middle of the round who make sense for DFS, some who have been linked to him before (LAL, MIA, ORL, OKC, PHI, CLE).

There have been plenty of weak drafts in the past, can you provide a single example of a DFS type player who got traded for a lotto pick?