Post Mortem 2023-24

[JujitsuFlip]

We can dream I suppose.

Even when Allen or Mobley were injured, Bickerstaff struggled to play a 4-out lineup.

And we should at least have the personnel on the bench to go 5-out.

And by 4/5 out I don't mean Isaac or Caris, but shooters with enough gravity that their man has to think twice before completely cheating off them to help on drives.

I would love to play 5 out full time, it is the perfect offense for the modern NBA. So much space. As the Celtics and Nuggets showed, it is next to impossible to defend.

Would be cool if Mobley could be the 5 in those lineups but he currently does not have the gravity to do so.

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

Bro i already told you, you trying to pass KAT off as some kind of proof two non shooting 7 footers can work, is wild. The Cavs have no 7 footer on their roster who shoots 5.5 threes per game at a 41% clip. If the Cavs had that, they're probably at minimum in the ECF the past 2 seasons... Even with trash jb as the coach.

Zubac has been the starting 5 on the Clippers for 5.5 seasons and has attempted 12 total career 3-pointers connecting on 1. So, no the Clips do not play 5 out. Especially since his backups in Gortat, Boban, Harrell, Kabengele, Hartenstien, Moses Brown, Plumlee, and Theis do not shoot 3s either.

Do you understand what 5 out means? It is literally the Celtics and Nuggets. All 5 guys can and will shoot it from deep. Creating tons of space to stretch defenses out.

[jbk1234]

I would love to play 5 out full time, it is the perfect offense for the modern NBA. So much space. As the Celtics and Nuggets showed, it is next to impossible to defend.

Would be cool if Mobley could be the 5 in those lineups but he currently does not have the gravity to do so.

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

Bro i already told you, you trying to pass KAT off as some kind of proof two non shooting 7 footers can work, is wild. The Cavs have no 7 footer on their roster who shoots 5.5 threes per game at a 41% clip. If the Cavs had that, they're probably at minimum in the ECF the past 2 seasons... Even with trash jb as the coach.

Zubac has been the starting 5 on the Clippers for 5.5 seasons and has attempted 12 total career 3-pointers connecting on 1. So, no the Clips do not play 5 out. Especially since his backups in Gortat, Boban, Harrell, Kabengele, Hartenstien, Moses Brown, Plumlee, and Theis do not shoot 3s either.

Do you understand what 5 out means? It is literally the Celtics and Nuggets. All 5 guys can and will shoot it from deep. Creating tons of space to stretch defenses out.

How many minutes does Zubac actually get for the Clippers in the postseason?

Also, 5 out comes with some serious tradeoffs. You big isn't in position to box out. If he's in the corner, he's not in position to get back in transition off a miss. There are less than a handful of stretch 5s who are actually going to change the way the opposing team defends your team. If a guy is hovering around league average from 3 on 2-3 attempts a game, most teams are living with that in the playoffs. Finally, a team with a decent zone defense can negate the benefit of running with a stretch 5.

The Pacers have had Miles Turner forever, but didn't get back to the playoffs until they traded for Siakam, who isn't a good three point shooter. Neither the Magic nor Bulls managed any success with Vuc. Obviously guys like Jokic, Chet and Wemby are game changers, but those three do a lot more than stretch the floor, and none of them are playing in the Finals.

[JujitsuFlip]

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

Bro i already told you, you trying to pass KAT off as some kind of proof two non shooting 7 footers can work, is wild. The Cavs have no 7 footer on their roster who shoots 5.5 threes per game at a 41% clip. If the Cavs had that, they're probably at minimum in the ECF the past 2 seasons... Even with trash jb as the coach.

Zubac has been the starting 5 on the Clippers for 5.5 seasons and has attempted 12 total career 3-pointers connecting on 1. So, no the Clips do not play 5 out. Especially since his backups in Gortat, Boban, Harrell, Kabengele, Hartenstien, Moses Brown, Plumlee, and Theis do not shoot 3s either.

Do you understand what 5 out means? It is literally the Celtics and Nuggets. All 5 guys can and will shoot it from deep. Creating tons of space to stretch defenses out.

How many minutes does Zubac actually get for the Clippers in the postseason?

Also, 5 out comes with some serious tradeoffs. You big isn't in position to box out. If he's in the corner, he's not in position to get back in transition off a miss. There are less than a handful of stretch 5s who are actually going to change the way the opposing team defends your team. If a guy is hovering around league average from 3 on 2-3 attempts a game, most teams are living with that in the playoffs. Finally, a team with a decent zone defense can negate the benefit of running with a stretch 5.

The Pacers have had Miles Turner forever, but didn't get back to the playoffs until they traded for Siakam, who isn't a good three point shooter. Neither the Magic nor Bulls managed any success with Vuc. Obviously guys like Jokic, Chet and Wemby are game changers, but those three do a lot more than stretch the floor, and none of them are playing in the Finals.

9.8mpg in 2019, 24.6mpg 2020, 17.7mpg 2021, 26mpg 2023, and 32mpg 2024.

Clippers went to the WCF just a couple seasons ago, fyi.

A decent zone defense? Yeah right. If that worked the Nuggets wouldn't have won last season and Celtics 1 win away this season.

Joker won a title less than a year ago and the other 2 are rookies, what's your point?

Here, we'll flip it the other way. The last time a team won a title starting 2 bigs who wouldn't shoot is when? 2014 maybe but Pop even swapped out Splitter for Diaw in the starting 5 for the final 3 games so i don't count that.

It truly would be the 2010 Lakers with Bynum and Pau. You and Koby are living on an idea from 14.5 years ago, that 2 non shooting bigs can work. That is so archaic in terms of NBA lifespans.

[JonFromVA]

We can dream I suppose.

Even when Allen or Mobley were injured, Bickerstaff struggled to play a 4-out lineup.

And we should at least have the personnel on the bench to go 5-out.

And by 4/5 out I don't mean Isaac or Caris, but shooters with enough gravity that their man has to think twice before completely cheating off them to help on drives.

I would love to play 5 out full time, it is the perfect offense for the modern NBA. So much space. As the Celtics and Nuggets showed, it is next to impossible to defend.

Would be cool if Mobley could be the 5 in those lineups but he currently does not have the gravity to do so.

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

I'd be happy if we could at least go 5 out some of the time. You don't need to be so picky if it's a bench unit you bring in to try to get you back in a game you fell way behind in, but the playoffs always do teach some fun lessons about presumptions.

I'm currently enjoying watching Dallas struggle to score 100pts .vs. the Celts, dribbling the ball off their feet, watching their supposed clutch players bricking shots, doing stupid ****, etc.

Yeah, if things broke just so that could be us and if by chance we met a team like Dallas in the finals we might even win a championship; but I'd rather see us build this team right and shoot for getting to Boston's level, not just becoming extremely lucky.

We may have to develop some of those missing pieces. We can't presume players like KP, Holiday, and White are going to fall in to our laps, especially after we gave up what we did for Mitchell. But hey, #23 still hasn't decided what he's doing.

[jbk1234]

I would love to play 5 out full time, it is the perfect offense for the modern NBA. So much space. As the Celtics and Nuggets showed, it is next to impossible to defend.

Would be cool if Mobley could be the 5 in those lineups but he currently does not have the gravity to do so.

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

I'd be happy if we could at least go 5 out some of the time. You don't need to be so picky if it's a bench unit you bring in to try to get you back in a game you fell way behind in, but the playoffs always do teach some fun lessons about presumptions.

I'm currently enjoying watching Dallas struggle to score 100pts .vs. the Celts, dribbling the ball off their feet, watching their supposed clutch players bricking shots, doing stupid ****, etc.

Yeah, if things broke just so that could be us and if by chance we met a team like Dallas in the finals we might even win a championship; but I'd rather see us build this team right and shoot for getting to Boston's level, not just becoming extremely lucky.

We may have to develop some of those missing pieces. We can't presume players like KP, Holiday, and White are going to fall in to our laps, especially after we gave up what we did for Mitchell. But hey, #23 still hasn't decided what he's doing.

I guess my point is that we've given the Celtics the most competitive series they had this playoff run, and we did it without Allen and Mitchell (after Game 3). Maybe seeing what the team looks like under a different coach isn't the worst idea.

[JonFromVA]

I mean the Nuggets lost to a team that started two 7 footers, who in turn lost to a team that rotates two traditional big men. The Clippers have yet to get to a conference finals and they've been running a 5 out offense for half a decade. The Celtics are good because they start two firsts options, two second options, and elite defender who can shoot 3s.

I'd be happy if we could at least go 5 out some of the time. You don't need to be so picky if it's a bench unit you bring in to try to get you back in a game you fell way behind in, but the playoffs always do teach some fun lessons about presumptions.

I'm currently enjoying watching Dallas struggle to score 100pts .vs. the Celts, dribbling the ball off their feet, watching their supposed clutch players bricking shots, doing stupid ****, etc.

Yeah, if things broke just so that could be us and if by chance we met a team like Dallas in the finals we might even win a championship; but I'd rather see us build this team right and shoot for getting to Boston's level, not just becoming extremely lucky.

We may have to develop some of those missing pieces. We can't presume players like KP, Holiday, and White are going to fall in to our laps, especially after we gave up what we did for Mitchell. But hey, #23 still hasn't decided what he's doing.

I guess my point is that we've given the Celtics the most competitive series they had this playoff run, and we did it without Allen and Mitchell (after Game 3). Maybe seeing what the team looks like under a different coach isn't the worst idea.

I just don't want to get carried away about not sucking as much as another team. It's not the sort of positive evidence I was hoping to learn about our team this season. Of course Koby should wait as long as he can until the right deal comes along, and if the new coach has a plan for the roster as it's currently constructed that Mitchell and the rest care to buy in to, that simply gives us options.

Including the option to trade players when their value is higher ... OR run it back if people can stay healthy, happy and things actually start to click.

[jbk1234]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

[JujitsuFlip]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

[KuruptedCav]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

Is the threshold for success Championship or bust?

Being consistently good and executing a game plan and banking on some luck is a viable strategy. If every season is a pivot, it reminds me of the years leading to south beach. I enjoyed the early 90s. Those teams were one Jordan injury away.


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[jbk1234]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

It's entirely justifiable for the Cavs to give it to at least the deadline under a new coach, and even if Mitchell and Garland don't develop synergy, there's a good chance that Garland's market is better.

[JujitsuFlip]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

Is the threshold for success Championship or bust?

Being consistently good and executing a game plan and banking on some luck is a viable strategy. If every season is a pivot, it reminds me of the years leading to south beach. I enjoyed the early 90s. Those teams were one Jordan injury away.


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According to Koby it is ECF or bust.

I'm not sure we have a top 4 team in the NBA as of June 14th 2024.

Maybe we revisit July 14th and see how I feel. I personally don't like being a treadmill team, I know that is kind of the aim here but that rarely works out for anyone involved.

Celtics went to 6 ECF in 8 years, outside of the Jays they were constantly shuffling that roster around.

I'm just not positive why Koby is married to the idea of 2 small offensive guards and 2 skinny defensive bigs. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The core of this team has been locked in for many many many years, time to break it up and shake it up.

Grant Rich Paul his wish of moving Garland. Allen seems allergic to post season basketball, send him back to a lotto team.

[KuruptedCav]

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

Is the threshold for success Championship or bust?

Being consistently good and executing a game plan and banking on some luck is a viable strategy. If every season is a pivot, it reminds me of the years leading to south beach. I enjoyed the early 90s. Those teams were one Jordan injury away.


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According to Koby it is ECF or bust.

I'm not sure we have a top 4 team in the NBA as of June 14th 2024.

Maybe we revisit July 14th and see how I feel. I personally don't like being a treadmill team, I know that is kind of the aim here but that rarely works out for anyone involved.

Celtics went to 6 ECF in 8 years, outside of the Jays they were constantly shuffling that roster around.

I'm just not positive why Koby is married to the idea of 2 small offensive guards and 2 skinny defensive bigs. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The core of this team has been locked in for many many many years, time to break it up and shake it up.

Grant Rich Paul his wish of moving Garland. Allen seems allergic to post season basketball, send him back to a lotto team.

That’s fair. When I think treadmill, it’s that 7-8 mid-90s 1 and done vibe. When I think competitive it’s like SuperSonics of the 90s.

I get shuffling and constantly tooling. Celts, Heat and others are great at it. And as long as that’s the plan, great. I don’t want to be the Nets or 76ers and taking forced swings and then repeating.

And I hate telegraphing that you don’t want to do something and tanking your markets. Like right now, folks see blood in the water and want Garland for spare parts. Even if I’m not sold on it, I need it to be credible.


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[JujitsuFlip]

Altman is reportedly telling coaching candidates he wants to keep Mitchell and Garland together, which is probably for the best as you don't want to hire someone who doesn't think it can work if that's the plan.

Koby gotta go when this plan ultimately fails, wasting lots of people's time.

It's entirely justifiable for the Cavs to give it to at least the deadline under a new coach, and even if Mitchell and Garland don't develop synergy, there's a good chance that Garland's market is better.

Midseason trades suck because there's no time to gel and you're banking on guys not getting hurt in season.

Koby isn't gonna change this team up this summer, so the new coach better be really dang good. If not really good he better be a smooth talker because running the core 4 as starters is not the way to play in 2024.

[JujitsuFlip]

Is the threshold for success Championship or bust?

Being consistently good and executing a game plan and banking on some luck is a viable strategy. If every season is a pivot, it reminds me of the years leading to south beach. I enjoyed the early 90s. Those teams were one Jordan injury away.


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According to Koby it is ECF or bust.

I'm not sure we have a top 4 team in the NBA as of June 14th 2024.

Maybe we revisit July 14th and see how I feel. I personally don't like being a treadmill team, I know that is kind of the aim here but that rarely works out for anyone involved.

Celtics went to 6 ECF in 8 years, outside of the Jays they were constantly shuffling that roster around.

I'm just not positive why Koby is married to the idea of 2 small offensive guards and 2 skinny defensive bigs. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The core of this team has been locked in for many many many years, time to break it up and shake it up.

Grant Rich Paul his wish of moving Garland. Allen seems allergic to post season basketball, send him back to a lotto team.

That’s fair. When I think treadmill, it’s that 7-8 mid-90s 1 and done vibe. When I think competitive it’s like SuperSonics of the 90s.

I get shuffling and constantly tooling. Celts, Heat and others are great at it. And as long as that’s the plan, great. I don’t want to be the Nets or 76ers and taking forced swings and then repeating.

And I hate telegraphing that you don’t want to do something and tanking your markets. Like right now, folks see blood in the water and want Garland for spare parts. Even if I’m not sold on it, I need it to be credible.


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For me, the Cavs gotta get to an ECF or a Finals to really get over that hump.

If you're never a final 4 team you're just part of the field, especially with the expanded post season now.

Look at Mitchell's Jazz...

2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, and 1st round. After 5 seasons of that, it's time to try something else. The year before all that was a 2nd round with Rudy and Hayward.

Cavs currently are...

Play-in, 1st round, and 2nd round. They have 1 or 2 seasons to hit that ECF floor before Koby, the new head coach, and this core are blown up. At least realistically.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10124961-nba-rumors-cavs-hesitant-on-jarrett-allen-trade-donovan-mitchell-a-fan-of-center.amp.html

Sounds like Mitch is a fan of Allen.

[jbk1234]

According to Koby it is ECF or bust.

I'm not sure we have a top 4 team in the NBA as of June 14th 2024.

Maybe we revisit July 14th and see how I feel. I personally don't like being a treadmill team, I know that is kind of the aim here but that rarely works out for anyone involved.

Celtics went to 6 ECF in 8 years, outside of the Jays they were constantly shuffling that roster around.

I'm just not positive why Koby is married to the idea of 2 small offensive guards and 2 skinny defensive bigs. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The core of this team has been locked in for many many many years, time to break it up and shake it up.

Grant Rich Paul his wish of moving Garland. Allen seems allergic to post season basketball, send him back to a lotto team.

That’s fair. When I think treadmill, it’s that 7-8 mid-90s 1 and done vibe. When I think competitive it’s like SuperSonics of the 90s.

I get shuffling and constantly tooling. Celts, Heat and others are great at it. And as long as that’s the plan, great. I don’t want to be the Nets or 76ers and taking forced swings and then repeating.

And I hate telegraphing that you don’t want to do something and tanking your markets. Like right now, folks see blood in the water and want Garland for spare parts. Even if I’m not sold on it, I need it to be credible.


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For me, the Cavs gotta get to an ECF or a Finals to really get over that hump.

If you're never a final 4 team you're just part of the field, especially with the expanded post season now.

Look at Mitchell's Jazz...

2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, and 1st round. After 5 seasons of that, it's time to try something else. The year before all that was a 2nd round with Rudy and Hayward.

Cavs currently are...

Play-in, 1st round, and 2nd round. They have 1 or 2 seasons to hit that ECF floor before Koby, the new head coach, and this core are blown up. At least realistically.

Kind of depends on the circumstances IMO. I agree we should be shooting for at least the ECF. But we saw the Nets and Sixers lose really close series on last-play shots, blow up their teams, and get considerably worse afterwards. If the Sixers don't trade Butler, and the Nets don't move key role players and all their picks for Harden, maybe they would've gotten over the hump by running it back or tinkering around the edges.

[JonFromVA]

That’s fair. When I think treadmill, it’s that 7-8 mid-90s 1 and done vibe. When I think competitive it’s like SuperSonics of the 90s.

I get shuffling and constantly tooling. Celts, Heat and others are great at it. And as long as that’s the plan, great. I don’t want to be the Nets or 76ers and taking forced swings and then repeating.

And I hate telegraphing that you don’t want to do something and tanking your markets. Like right now, folks see blood in the water and want Garland for spare parts. Even if I’m not sold on it, I need it to be credible.


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For me, the Cavs gotta get to an ECF or a Finals to really get over that hump.

If you're never a final 4 team you're just part of the field, especially with the expanded post season now.

Look at Mitchell's Jazz...

2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, and 1st round. After 5 seasons of that, it's time to try something else. The year before all that was a 2nd round with Rudy and Hayward.

Cavs currently are...

Play-in, 1st round, and 2nd round. They have 1 or 2 seasons to hit that ECF floor before Koby, the new head coach, and this core are blown up. At least realistically.

Kind of depends on the circumstances IMO. I agree we should be shooting for at least the ECF. But we saw the Nets and Sixers lose really close series on last-play shots, blow up their teams, and get considerably worse afterwards. If the Sixers don't trade Butler, and the Nets don't move key role players and all their picks for Harden, maybe they would've gotten over the hump by running it back or tinkering around the edges.

The Sixers would be in better shape, but they continue to be right in the thick of things and their fate is still completely dependent on Embiid's health. The Nets made their deal with the devil and the devil wanted Harden.

None of it matters if our players can't stay healthy and happy in their roles. We will just lose them anyway, one way or the other.

A new coach can help, but if Mitchell returns it will likely include a commitment to him as our franchise player. We'll see how he handles it, but he seems like a smart guy and might just be open to a productive collaboration with our FO.

[JujitsuFlip]

For me, the Cavs gotta get to an ECF or a Finals to really get over that hump.

If you're never a final 4 team you're just part of the field, especially with the expanded post season now.

Look at Mitchell's Jazz...

2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, and 1st round. After 5 seasons of that, it's time to try something else. The year before all that was a 2nd round with Rudy and Hayward.

Cavs currently are...

Play-in, 1st round, and 2nd round. They have 1 or 2 seasons to hit that ECF floor before Koby, the new head coach, and this core are blown up. At least realistically.

Kind of depends on the circumstances IMO. I agree we should be shooting for at least the ECF. But we saw the Nets and Sixers lose really close series on last-play shots, blow up their teams, and get considerably worse afterwards. If the Sixers don't trade Butler, and the Nets don't move key role players and all their picks for Harden, maybe they would've gotten over the hump by running it back or tinkering around the edges.

The Sixers would be in better shape, but they continue to be right in the thick of things and their fate is still completely dependent on Embiid's health. The Nets made their deal with the devil and the devil wanted Harden.

None of it matters if our players can't stay healthy and happy in their roles. We will just lose them anyway, one way or the other.

A new coach can help, but if Mitchell returns it will likely include a commitment to him as our franchise player. We'll see how he handles it, but he seems like a smart guy and might just be open to a productive collaboration with our FO.

If rumors are to be believed, Mitch was one of the driving forces for jb to be let go.

[JujitsuFlip]

That’s fair. When I think treadmill, it’s that 7-8 mid-90s 1 and done vibe. When I think competitive it’s like SuperSonics of the 90s.

I get shuffling and constantly tooling. Celts, Heat and others are great at it. And as long as that’s the plan, great. I don’t want to be the Nets or 76ers and taking forced swings and then repeating.

And I hate telegraphing that you don’t want to do something and tanking your markets. Like right now, folks see blood in the water and want Garland for spare parts. Even if I’m not sold on it, I need it to be credible.


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For me, the Cavs gotta get to an ECF or a Finals to really get over that hump.

If you're never a final 4 team you're just part of the field, especially with the expanded post season now.

Look at Mitchell's Jazz...

2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, and 1st round. After 5 seasons of that, it's time to try something else. The year before all that was a 2nd round with Rudy and Hayward.

Cavs currently are...

Play-in, 1st round, and 2nd round. They have 1 or 2 seasons to hit that ECF floor before Koby, the new head coach, and this core are blown up. At least realistically.

Kind of depends on the circumstances IMO. I agree we should be shooting for at least the ECF. But we saw the Nets and Sixers lose really close series on last-play shots, blow up their teams, and get considerably worse afterwards. If the Sixers don't trade Butler, and the Nets don't move key role players and all their picks for Harden, maybe they would've gotten over the hump by running it back or tinkering around the edges.

The Sixers are not a great example.

Once Brand wasn't giving James Butler the full max, he was going to Miami either way; might as well get return assets. The situation was also compounded by the fact that Brand decided to hold onto Brown as the head coach... Butler knew he was a clueless clown and has spoken on it. Cavs just fired our version of Brown, so we did the opposite of them.

As far as JJ, the guy was 35. In no world were the 76ers going to pay him a 2 year and $26.5 million contract.

They overpaid Harris, Horford made no sense for them, and in hindsight Thybulle probably wasn't the right pick but selecting at #20 is a crapshoot (as we're about to find out).

If you look a couple seasons down the road, it is no one's fault Ben is paid to play basketball but hates basketball. 76ers could not have predicted that.

Elton Brand is a trash GM and made several bad moves in the 2019 summer but i do not think it is very comparable to the Cavs situation.

[JonFromVA]

Don should really consider getting Lasik or contacts this Summer. Imagine what he might do if he could see when he's on the floor, but maybe he has reasons?