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Re: NBA FINALS, Gm 5 – Mavericks (1) @ Celtics (3) – 8:30PM, Mon, June 17, 2024 

Post#81 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:05 am

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Why bother listing KP as questionable? We all know he isn't going to play. All that talk about him "dying out there" is a bunch of bull crap.

Questionable and he does not play is fine.

But league will not allow you to list a player as "out" then he suddenly plays.

It's just keeping their options open.
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Why bother listing KP as questionable? We all know he isn't going to play. All that talk about him "dying out there" is a bunch of bull crap.

Questionable and he does not play is fine.

But league will not allow you to list a player as "out" then he suddenly plays.

It's just keeping their options open.


Do you honestly believe KP will play? I don't.
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Why bother listing KP as questionable? We all know he isn't going to play. All that talk about him "dying out there" is a bunch of bull crap.

Questionable and he does not play is fine.

But league will not allow you to list a player as "out" then he suddenly plays.

It's just keeping their options open.


Do you honestly believe KP will play? I don't.

I don't think he plays.

But there's a situation where KP can come in for one defensive or offensive possession.

I think that's a possibility.
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Post#84 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:13 am

TheMartian wrote:These Celtics should know that it's entirely possible to come back from 3-0 and tie it up 3-3. They almost became the first team to actually come back from 3-0 if not for that ankle sprain. This game should not be another repeat of Game 4. As I said in the post game thread, Game 5 will show us if this team is made of metal or jello. Lose this game and they may indeed make history and not in a good way.

There comes a time where you're really hungry and you're 2 options are metal or jello.

Hard to believe you would eat metal.

Point is jello can win championships.
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Post#85 » by TheMartian » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:25 am

Jaqua92 wrote:We've been thoroughly outplayed in the non KP minutes

Without him, we have no paint protection, and no spacing..having to rely on Horford as a rim protector just isn't good.

I think we still close it out Monday. But I'd lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that could see this going to 7. This isnt the same team that won game 1&2, and Dallas has seemingly adjusted to our offense and defense without KP.


Teams have the formula defensively on how to beat this Celtics team without Porzingis. GSW and the Heat have shown how, and as mentioned by Lively and Kyrie, they've watched tape and have figured us out. They know KP will not be playing, and they know what they have to do to stop this Celtics team monus KP. Unfortunately, I don't know what Joe can do to change that.
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Post#86 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:26 am

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Jaqua92 wrote:We've been thoroughly outplayed in the non KP minutes

Without him, we have no paint protection, and no spacing..having to rely on Horford as a rim protector just isn't good.

I think we still close it out Monday. But I'd lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that could see this going to 7. This isnt the same team that won game 1&2, and Dallas has seemingly adjusted to our offense and defense without KP.


Teams have the formula defensively on how to beat this Celtics team without Porzingis. GSW and the Heat have shown how, and as mentioned by Lively and Kyrie, they've watched tape and have figured us out. They know KP will not be playing, and they know what they have to do to stop this Celtics team monus KP. Unfortunately, I don't know what Joe can do to change that.

Close out games is more about effort and wanting it more than strategy.
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Post#87 » by TheMartian » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:27 am

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TheMartian wrote:These Celtics should know that it's entirely possible to come back from 3-0 and tie it up 3-3. They almost became the first team to actually come back from 3-0 if not for that ankle sprain. This game should not be another repeat of Game 4. As I said in the post game thread, Game 5 will show us if this team is made of metal or jello. Lose this game and they may indeed make history and not in a good way.

There comes a time where you're really hungry and you're 2 options are metal or jello.

Hard to believe you would eat metal.

Point is jello can win championships.


Good for you. I don't think jello can cut it.

EDIT: Full disclosure - I've lost all confidence in Tatum (I'm trying my darndest to see all the other things he's contributing, but to my eyes he has regressed in scoring, especially in shooting the 3 ball), and I thought JB was turning it around and stepping up as the team's Alpha, but goes and lays a dud in Game 4. For once I'd like to be proven wrong about these guys. Just once.
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Post#88 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:32 am

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TheMartian wrote:These Celtics should know that it's entirely possible to come back from 3-0 and tie it up 3-3. They almost became the first team to actually come back from 3-0 if not for that ankle sprain. This game should not be another repeat of Game 4. As I said in the post game thread, Game 5 will show us if this team is made of metal or jello. Lose this game and they may indeed make history and not in a good way.

There comes a time where you're really hungry and you're 2 options are metal or jello.

Hard to believe you would eat metal.

Point is jello can win championships.


Good for you. I don't think jello can cut it.

The truth of the matter is the Jays are still jello this season.

It's only when they're 30 years old that we can really say they're battle tested.

So even if the Cs win the championship this year, they will still be better in a couple of years.

That's why it's so great that the Cs are in a position to win the chip right now.
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Post#89 » by TheMartian » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:37 am

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Fierce1 wrote:There comes a time where you're really hungry and you're 2 options are metal or jello.

Hard to believe you would eat metal.

Point is jello can win championships.


Good for you. I don't think jello can cut it.

The truth of the matter is the Jays are still jello this season.

It's only when they're 30 years old that we can really say they're battle tested.

So even if the Cs win the championship this year, they will still be better in a couple of years.

That's why it's so great that the Cs are in a position to win the chip right now.


See my edited comment in the previous post.

The Jays are battle tested. They've been the most playoff tested duo in the league right now. Saying they're not yet ready after all this time is just an excuse. If they are truly not ready yet at this point in their careers, they won't ever get ready.
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Post#90 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:38 am

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Post#91 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:40 am

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Good for you. I don't think jello can cut it.

The truth of the matter is the Jays are still jello this season.

It's only when they're 30 years old that we can really say they're battle tested.

So even if the Cs win the championship this year, they will still be better in a couple of years.

That's why it's so great that the Cs are in a position to win the chip right now.


See my edited comment in the previous post.

The Jays are battle tested. They've been the most playoff tested duo in the league right now. Saying they're not yet ready after all this time is just an excuse. If they are truly not ready yet at this point in their careers, they won't ever get ready.

Battle tested, yes!

But battle tested is different from reaching full potential.

The Jays will be way better in a couple of years compared to what they are now.
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Post#93 » by TheMartian » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:44 am

Fierce1 wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:The truth of the matter is the Jays are still jello this season.

It's only when they're 30 years old that we can really say they're battle tested.

So even if the Cs win the championship this year, they will still be better in a couple of years.

That's why it's so great that the Cs are in a position to win the chip right now.


See my edited comment in the previous post.

The Jays are battle tested. They've been the most playoff tested duo in the league right now. Saying they're not yet ready after all this time is just an excuse. If they are truly not ready yet at this point in their careers, they won't ever get ready.

Battle tested, yes!

But battle tested is different from reaching full potential.

The Jays will be way better in a couple of years compared to what they are now.


They can still improve, yes, I'll give you that. But I'm talking about the mental aspect of the game. Testicular fortitude. I don't think they have it, and I don't think they ever will. I'm very much welcome to be proven wrong, but only 2 people can prove me wrong, and I'd like to see it.
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Post#94 » by KingofTheClay » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:44 am

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Jaqua92 wrote:We've been thoroughly outplayed in the non KP minutes

Without him, we have no paint protection, and no spacing..having to rely on Horford as a rim protector just isn't good.

I think we still close it out Monday. But I'd lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that could see this going to 7. This isnt the same team that won game 1&2, and Dallas has seemingly adjusted to our offense and defense without KP.


Teams have the formula defensively on how to beat this Celtics team without Porzingis. GSW and the Heat have shown how, and as mentioned by Lively and Kyrie, they've watched tape and have figured us out. They know KP will not be playing, and they know what they have to do to stop this Celtics team monus KP. Unfortunately, I don't know what Joe can do to change that.

Yeah basically. KPs absence is problematic because now the Mavs can play on their terms. Luka is playing defense now. Mavs have figured out how to implement the one-man zone with Lively and are able to execute the pre-switch perfectly, if it comes to it. They are leaving the weak side corner semi-open but are able to obscure the passing lanes with Lively in the paint. Their intuition with rotations looked spot on.

We now can’t abuse them schematically. Our best scorers will have to outscore their best players and make tough shots. Thats now the situation.

At a game by game basis, that’s a losing proposition. Each game is probably about 75-25, or 70-30 in favor of the Mavs on average. So in my opinion, we’re still about 65-35 favorites to win the series, but if we lose game 5 it’s time to hit the panic button.


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Post#95 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:47 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
See my edited comment in the previous post.

The Jays are battle tested. They've been the most playoff tested duo in the league right now. Saying they're not yet ready after all this time is just an excuse. If they are truly not ready yet at this point in their careers, they won't ever get ready.

Battle tested, yes!

But battle tested is different from reaching full potential.

The Jays will be way better in a couple of years compared to what they are now.


They can still improve, yes, I'll give you that. But I'm talking about the mental aspect of the game. Testicular fortitude. I don't think they have it, and I don't think they ever will. I'm very much welcome to be proven wrong, but only 2 people can prove me wrong, and I'd like to see it.

Crow will be served in June, like what I kept saying during the regular season.
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Post#96 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:52 am

Guys. **** is extremely difficult when your shots aren't fallen.

Blame non KP minutes all you want. If you got guys like Pritchard who I think hasn't made a single shot except that half court heave then you got a problem.

Whatever he scored the other day after Joe pulled the starters don't count.
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Post#97 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:54 am

The Corey's wrote:Guys. **** is extremely difficult when your shots aren't fallen.

Blame non KP minutes all you want. If you got guys like Pritchard who I think hasn't made a single shot except that half court heave then you got a problem.

Whatever he scored the other day after Joe pulled the starters don't count.

That is true. :nod:
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Post#98 » by TheMartian » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:59 am

Fierce1 wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Battle tested, yes!

But battle tested is different from reaching full potential.

The Jays will be way better in a couple of years compared to what they are now.


They can still improve, yes, I'll give you that. But I'm talking about the mental aspect of the game. Testicular fortitude. I don't think they have it, and I don't think they ever will. I'm very much welcome to be proven wrong, but only 2 people can prove me wrong, and I'd like to see it.

Crow will be served in June, like what I kept saying during the regular season.


I'll be waiting for my serving. In fact, I expect to be served a platter. I just hope I get them.
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Post#99 » by robdog_5 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:06 am

KingofTheClay wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:We've been thoroughly outplayed in the non KP minutes

Without him, we have no paint protection, and no spacing..having to rely on Horford as a rim protector just isn't good.

I think we still close it out Monday. But I'd lying if I said there wasnt a part of me that could see this going to 7. This isnt the same team that won game 1&2, and Dallas has seemingly adjusted to our offense and defense without KP.


Teams have the formula defensively on how to beat this Celtics team without Porzingis. GSW and the Heat have shown how, and as mentioned by Lively and Kyrie, they've watched tape and have figured us out. They know KP will not be playing, and they know what they have to do to stop this Celtics team monus KP. Unfortunately, I don't know what Joe can do to change that.

Yeah basically. KPs absence is problematic because now the Mavs can play on their terms. Luka is playing defense now. Mavs have figured out how to implement the one-man zone with Lively and are able to execute the pre-switch perfectly, if it comes to it. They are leaving the weak side corner semi-open but are able to obscure the passing lanes with Lively in the paint. Their intuition with rotations looked spot on.

We now can’t abuse them schematically. Our best scorers will have to outscore their best players and make tough shots. Thats now the situation.

At a game by game basis, that’s a losing proposition. Each game is probably about 75-25, or 70-30 in favor of the Mavs on average. So in my opinion, we’re still about 65-35 favorites to win the series, but if we lose game 5 it’s time to hit the panic button.


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Miami using this strategy is 8-11 over last 3 post seasons. GSW was 4-2. So your saying The Mavs using this strategy have a 35% of doing it for 3 more games?

There are more than 1 way to win. To me we need to create some turnovers and score in transition. Secure rebounds and push tempo. If we can do that we win. I also think we can just have a hot shooting night too.
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Post#100 » by KingofTheClay » Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:10 am

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KingofTheClay wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
Teams have the formula defensively on how to beat this Celtics team without Porzingis. GSW and the Heat have shown how, and as mentioned by Lively and Kyrie, they've watched tape and have figured us out. They know KP will not be playing, and they know what they have to do to stop this Celtics team monus KP. Unfortunately, I don't know what Joe can do to change that.

Yeah basically. KPs absence is problematic because now the Mavs can play on their terms. Luka is playing defense now. Mavs have figured out how to implement the one-man zone with Lively and are able to execute the pre-switch perfectly, if it comes to it. They are leaving the weak side corner semi-open but are able to obscure the passing lanes with Lively in the paint. Their intuition with rotations looked spot on.

We now can’t abuse them schematically. Our best scorers will have to outscore their best players and make tough shots. Thats now the situation.

At a game by game basis, that’s a losing proposition. Each game is probably about 75-25, or 70-30 in favor of the Mavs on average. So in my opinion, we’re still about 65-35 favorites to win the series, but if we lose game 5 it’s time to hit the panic button.


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Miami using this strategy is 8-11 over last 3 post seasons. GSW was 4-2. So your saying The Mavs using this strategy have a 35% of doing it for 3 more games?

There are more than 1 way to win. To me we need to create some turnovers and score in transition. Secure rebounds and push tempo. If we can do that we win. I also think we can just have a hot shooting night too.

Yeah you’re right. I forgot that the Heat had Luka Doncic and Kyrie this postseason.

I’m not saying they will completely nullify Boston offensively. But it’s enough to contain Boston’s offense and give their duo a strong chance of outscoring Boston.


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