DAL/SAC/TOR

[OGSactownballer]

Dallas overpaying to open way more money then they need to. Huerter is better then brown.

This move puts them about $14.5 million below the tax line, which gives them room to use the full $12.9 million NTMLE on DJJ. If they somehow don't need all of that, they'll have more available to fill the final 2 roster spots. The only way you're creating that much space is moving Hardaway for nothing, which this effectively does. Sending OMax and a 2nd to move that much salary doesn't seem unfair. Huerter, in my opinion, is not better than Brown. They bring different things to the table. I think Brown is more useful to Sacramento at this point, and Vezenkov seems likely to be moved to create space anyway. This move is basically Huerter for Brown combined with using a 2nd to dump Vezenkov. I assume you want to just roll it back, hoping #13 is all you need to get better, but Sacramento needs to do more than that.

Wow!

Just so much having no idea what you are talking about here.

Keon Ellis is one tenth the price of Brown. Eight years younger. As good and getting better defender. More reliable 3pt shot which Kings need.

Brown would be nothing but a pricey backup and maybe some salary freed up if we just let him go all next summer - which means assets were wasted.

I get that in “your opinion” you look at it and think he’s better than Huerter. But think about that you are the only one here that thinks so. Huerter is a better offensive player. A better creator. Becoming more capable on D. A good rebounder (something missed by a lot of people and he’s tall for the position so this will only get better as he gets older and stronger). He is 26 - coming into his prime - and is far more likely to match or exceed his prior performances after one fluke my down year than a guy in Brown who has already peaked as a role player and is in his thirties. And Huerter is still locked up at a fair rate (@ 10% of the cap for a dead eye shooter is great in the current NBA) and that helps our money situation.

I feel like all your arguments come around to “I don’t really care how the other teams make out as long as mine gets the best of the trade”. But that not how trades generally work in the real world. Their is benefit there for everyone.

[OxAndFox]

Brown and Huerter are both good NBA players. I actually never said anything about Huerter's value dropping. I just think that the Kings need to go in a different direction, and this is one way of doing that. Vezenkov is likely to be salary dumped at some point to create flexibility this year. In this proposal, Toronto is taking on Huerter's $18 million next year, and accommodating that salary dump, in return for a very useful player who helps them become a better defensive team, which they need, while providing expiring salary to create flexibilty next year, all in return for a 2nd rounder. They're certainly not sending assets back. If you want to keep Huerter and get better defensively at the same time, this proposal is not going to work.

So if you think Brown is more valuable or better than Huerter, that's fine. Let's just agree to disagree on that here and say they are equal.

Sacramento: out - Vezenkov, #45, 25 Por 2nd
Sacramento: in - McDaniels, #58
In what world is that something Sacramento would do?

I'm not sure where you're getting Vezenkov is likely to be salary dumped?? The Kings view him as a definite asset.

Let's assume Vezenkov is retained, and we replace him in the proposal with Duarte. As to Brown vs Huerter, let's say that I think Brown is more useful to the Kings than Huerter, both as a key piece of a more defensive oriented team, and as an expiring who would give them a lot of cap flexibilty next summer. From that perspective, Sacramento needs to add something. I've proposed Duarte and the Portland 2nd, neither of which has much value. 45 for 58 is a way to ensure that the Kings and the Mavs "touch" each other in the trade. McDaniels is filler that is needed to make the overall package work. he could be replaced with Freeman-Liberty to give the Kings a little extra operating room under the tax line. Bottom line, though, it's Brown and McDaniels for Huerter, Vezenkov (or Duarte) and the 2nd.

I commend you for trying to amend and working with everyone. Well done.
Ok, so let's even move towards what you're thinking is Brown > Huerter. If anything let's add the #45 to balance it. IMO that 2nd should be going the other way, but let's work it this way for conversation.

So from the Kings' POV why would they trade Duarte/'25 Port 2nd for McDaniels/#58? Is it to save the $1.1m difference?
Duarte is absolutely salary filler and is obviously whats required to make the trade work, larger second salary from Sac and lower salary from Raptors, but while he is just salary, he does have history with the team/coaches now and has a good relationship with Domas going back to Indy.
Now you can say the same thing with McDaniels right? He knows the coaching staff etc. He is just in there as salary, nothing more.
So why in the world are the Kings trading any 2nd round pick for #58, let alone a 2nd that is almost assured to be between #31-#35 next season?
If the Kings want #58, or a much better pick than that TBH, they can just buy one, actually, they could buy 2 for the difference between the salaries in this proposal ($5m).
The 2nd year of Huerter at that salary is a positive, not a negative. He will get a pay rise from this current contract.

[islandboy53]

Dallas overpaying to open way more money then they need to. Huerter is better then brown.

This move puts them about $14.5 million below the tax line, which gives them room to use the full $12.9 million NTMLE on DJJ. If they somehow don't need all of that, they'll have more available to fill the final 2 roster spots. The only way you're creating that much space is moving Hardaway for nothing, which this effectively does. Sending OMax and a 2nd to move that much salary doesn't seem unfair. Huerter, in my opinion, is not better than Brown. They bring different things to the table. I think Brown is more useful to Sacramento at this point, and Vezenkov seems likely to be moved to create space anyway. This move is basically Huerter for Brown combined with using a 2nd to dump Vezenkov. I assume you want to just roll it back, hoping #13 is all you need to get better, but Sacramento needs to do more than that.

Wow!

Just so much having no idea what you are talking about here.

Keon Ellis is one tenth the price of Brown. Eight years younger. As good and getting better defender. More reliable 3pt shot which Kings need.

Brown would be nothing but a pricey backup and maybe some salary freed up if we just let him go all next summer - which means assets were wasted.

I get that in “your opinion” you look at it and think he’s better than Huerter. But think about that you are the only one here that thinks so. Huerter is a better offensive player. A better creator. Becoming more capable on D. A good rebounder (something missed by a lot of people and he’s tall for the position so this will only get better as he gets older and stronger). He is 26 - coming into his prime - and is far more likely to match or exceed his prior performances after one fluke my down year than a guy in Brown who has already peaked as a role player and is in his thirties. And Huerter is still locked up at a fair rate (@ 10% of the cap for a dead eye shooter is great in the current NBA) and that helps our money situation.

I feel like all your arguments come around to “I don’t really care how the other teams make out as long as mine gets the best of the trade”. But that not how trades generally work in the real world. Their is benefit there for everyone.

You're more than welcome to question the value of Brown to Sacramento. I have a different perspective, but that's cool. This proposal was intended to solve an issue for Dallas - creating space to offer DJJ the full NTMLE - and address an issue for Sacramento raised in many trade proposals, namely finding an upgrade from Huerter. I've used Toronto as a facilitator for both of those, while also finding a way for them to move Brown. It sounds like you think the Kings are generally fine, and don't need to do much this offseason. And maybe a good pick at #13 and an MLE signing will be enough to replace Monk and make the team competitive. Who can say. Also, FYI, this is not the real world, It's just some folks trying to have fun with NBA trade possibilities.

[islandboy53]

Makes no sense for Dallas to give up Prosper and multiple 2nds to turn THJ into dead weight players. Dallas doesn't need to save that much money so asking them to just punt resources makes no sense.

I mean, the whole point is to turn THJ into DJJ. Assuming you need the full NTMLE, moving Hardaway for nothing gets you that, and leaves you right at the tax line. There will be a cost to do that. The question then becomes how much are you prepared to pay to get Jones.

If we go back to the original proposal, the cost was OMax and a 2nd. Freeman-Liberty came back to help Toronto create the necessary "space". Focusing on that proposal, how would you adjust it to seem fairer? Would THJ, Powell and 2 seconds for Freeman-Liberty work, for example?

[Texas Chuck]

Makes no sense for Dallas to give up Prosper and multiple 2nds to turn THJ into dead weight players. Dallas doesn't need to save that much money so asking them to just punt resources makes no sense.

I mean, the whole point is to turn THJ into DJJ. Assuming you need the full NTMLE, moving Hardaway for nothing gets you that, and leaves you right at the tax line. There will be a cost to do that. The question then becomes how much are you prepared to pay to get Jones.

If we go back to the original proposal, the cost was OMax and a 2nd. Freeman-Liberty came back to help Toronto create the necessary "space". Focusing on that proposal, how would you adjust it to seem fairer? Would THJ, Powell and 2 seconds for Freeman-Liberty work, for example?

Yeah I'd like Jones back but I'm not going to be stupid about it. If I'm paying him top of market money and I've used up most of my assets and hard capped myself, I should explore other options.

Now if its THJ/Powell/2 2 2nds sure, but Toronto shouldn't take that, its poor value for them.

And this is the problem. Toronto deserves value if they take on all that money, but Dallas doesn't want to overspend when there are other possibilities. Maybe Jones will take a 1+1 at the taxpayer establishing early bird's next year. After all, he careered this year and openly talks about wanting to come back. Or he might not, he might not get another chance at another big contract and so he should take the most money.

But Dallas can't overpay out of desperation for Jones.

[islandboy53]

So if you think Brown is more valuable or better than Huerter, that's fine. Let's just agree to disagree on that here and say they are equal.

Sacramento: out - Vezenkov, #45, 25 Por 2nd
Sacramento: in - McDaniels, #58
In what world is that something Sacramento would do?

I'm not sure where you're getting Vezenkov is likely to be salary dumped?? The Kings view him as a definite asset.

Let's assume Vezenkov is retained, and we replace him in the proposal with Duarte. As to Brown vs Huerter, let's say that I think Brown is more useful to the Kings than Huerter, both as a key piece of a more defensive oriented team, and as an expiring who would give them a lot of cap flexibilty next summer. From that perspective, Sacramento needs to add something. I've proposed Duarte and the Portland 2nd, neither of which has much value. 45 for 58 is a way to ensure that the Kings and the Mavs "touch" each other in the trade. McDaniels is filler that is needed to make the overall package work. he could be replaced with Freeman-Liberty to give the Kings a little extra operating room under the tax line. Bottom line, though, it's Brown and McDaniels for Huerter, Vezenkov (or Duarte) and the 2nd.

I commend you for trying to amend and working with everyone. Well done.
Ok, so let's even move towards what you're thinking is Brown > Huerter. If anything let's add the #45 to balance it. IMO that 2nd should be going the other way, but let's work it this way for conversation.

So from the Kings' POV why would they trade Duarte/'25 Port 2nd for McDaniels/#58? Is it to save the $1.1m difference?
Duarte is absolutely salary filler and is obviously whats required to make the trade work, larger second salary from Sac and lower salary from Raptors, but while he is just salary, he does have history with the team/coaches now and has a good relationship with Domas going back to Indy.
Now you can say the same thing with McDaniels right? He knows the coaching staff etc. He is just in there as salary, nothing more.
So why in the world are the Kings trading any 2nd round pick for #58, let alone a 2nd that is almost assured to be between #31-#35 next season?
If the Kings want #58, or a much better pick than that TBH, they can just buy one, actually, they could buy 2 for the difference between the salaries in this proposal ($5m).
The 2nd year of Huerter at that salary is a positive, not a negative. He will get a pay rise from this current contract.

The Kings would move 45 to Dallas for 58 because they have to exchange something of value. Maybe they send you 58 and you send cash back instead. Hell, send each other cash if that's legal. The Portland 2nd was intended to reflect the extra value I assign to Brown over Huerter, but, in the spirit of finding a middle ground, why don't we make it the 25 Sac 2nd.

[OxAndFox]

This move puts them about $14.5 million below the tax line, which gives them room to use the full $12.9 million NTMLE on DJJ. If they somehow don't need all of that, they'll have more available to fill the final 2 roster spots. The only way you're creating that much space is moving Hardaway for nothing, which this effectively does. Sending OMax and a 2nd to move that much salary doesn't seem unfair. Huerter, in my opinion, is not better than Brown. They bring different things to the table. I think Brown is more useful to Sacramento at this point, and Vezenkov seems likely to be moved to create space anyway. This move is basically Huerter for Brown combined with using a 2nd to dump Vezenkov. I assume you want to just roll it back, hoping #13 is all you need to get better, but Sacramento needs to do more than that.

Wow!

Just so much having no idea what you are talking about here.

Keon Ellis is one tenth the price of Brown. Eight years younger. As good and getting better defender. More reliable 3pt shot which Kings need.

Brown would be nothing but a pricey backup and maybe some salary freed up if we just let him go all next summer - which means assets were wasted.

I get that in “your opinion” you look at it and think he’s better than Huerter. But think about that you are the only one here that thinks so. Huerter is a better offensive player. A better creator. Becoming more capable on D. A good rebounder (something missed by a lot of people and he’s tall for the position so this will only get better as he gets older and stronger). He is 26 - coming into his prime - and is far more likely to match or exceed his prior performances after one fluke my down year than a guy in Brown who has already peaked as a role player and is in his thirties. And Huerter is still locked up at a fair rate (@ 10% of the cap for a dead eye shooter is great in the current NBA) and that helps our money situation.

I feel like all your arguments come around to “I don’t really care how the other teams make out as long as mine gets the best of the trade”. But that not how trades generally work in the real world. Their is benefit there for everyone.

You're more than welcome to question the value of Brown to Sacramento. I have a different perspective, but that's cool. This proposal was intended to solve an issue for Dallas - creating space to offer DJJ the full NTMLE - and address an issue for Sacramento raised in many trade proposals, namely finding an upgrade from Huerter. I've used Toronto as a facilitator for both of those, while also finding a way for them to move Brown. It sounds like you think the Kings are generally fine, and don't need to do much this offseason. And maybe a good pick at #13 and an MLE signing will be enough to replace Monk and make the team competitive. Who can say. Also, FYI, this is not the real world, It's just some folks trying to have fun with NBA trade possibilities.

That's just it. Brown isn't an upgrade. And at best he is same value.
An upgrade on the defensive side of the ball. Sure.
As a complete package. No, he is not.

Just because OG doesn't value the trade doesn't mean he thinks the Kings are fine. Every fan of every team wants their team to get better some way.

[islandboy53]

Makes no sense for Dallas to give up Prosper and multiple 2nds to turn THJ into dead weight players. Dallas doesn't need to save that much money so asking them to just punt resources makes no sense.

I mean, the whole point is to turn THJ into DJJ. Assuming you need the full NTMLE, moving Hardaway for nothing gets you that, and leaves you right at the tax line. There will be a cost to do that. The question then becomes how much are you prepared to pay to get Jones.

If we go back to the original proposal, the cost was OMax and a 2nd. Freeman-Liberty came back to help Toronto create the necessary "space". Focusing on that proposal, how would you adjust it to seem fairer? Would THJ, Powell and 2 seconds for Freeman-Liberty work, for example?

Yeah I'd like Jones back but I'm not going to be stupid about it. If I'm paying him top of market money and I've used up most of my assets and hard capped myself, I should explore other options.

Now if its THJ/Powell/2 2 2nds sure, but Toronto shouldn't take that, its poor value for them.

And this is the problem. Toronto deserves value if they take on all that money, but Dallas doesn't want to overspend when there are other possibilities. Maybe Jones will take a 1+1 at the taxpayer establishing early bird's next year. After all, he careered this year and openly talks about wanting to come back. Or he might not, he might not get another chance at another big contract and so he should take the most money.

But Dallas can't overpay out of desperation for Jones.

Exactly this. Ultimately I think Jones ends up moving on. Following up on that, Toronto has a versatile, defensive minded and slightly overpriced wing they'd like you to look at as his replacement.

[Texas Chuck]

Exactly this. Ultimately I think Jones ends up moving on. Following up on that, Toronto has a versatile, defensive minded and slightly overpriced wing they'd like you to look at as his replacement.

He's a fine player, the problem is he is not nearly the fit Jones is. So I personally have no interest in Brown. Might be different if Dallas wasn't playing two traditional non-spacing centers, but they are. So Brown can't play the dunker's spot in Dallas. He's just a poor fit in Dallas.

[OxAndFox]

Let's assume Vezenkov is retained, and we replace him in the proposal with Duarte. As to Brown vs Huerter, let's say that I think Brown is more useful to the Kings than Huerter, both as a key piece of a more defensive oriented team, and as an expiring who would give them a lot of cap flexibilty next summer. From that perspective, Sacramento needs to add something. I've proposed Duarte and the Portland 2nd, neither of which has much value. 45 for 58 is a way to ensure that the Kings and the Mavs "touch" each other in the trade. McDaniels is filler that is needed to make the overall package work. he could be replaced with Freeman-Liberty to give the Kings a little extra operating room under the tax line. Bottom line, though, it's Brown and McDaniels for Huerter, Vezenkov (or Duarte) and the 2nd.

I commend you for trying to amend and working with everyone. Well done.
Ok, so let's even move towards what you're thinking is Brown > Huerter. If anything let's add the #45 to balance it. IMO that 2nd should be going the other way, but let's work it this way for conversation.

So from the Kings' POV why would they trade Duarte/'25 Port 2nd for McDaniels/#58? Is it to save the $1.1m difference?
Duarte is absolutely salary filler and is obviously whats required to make the trade work, larger second salary from Sac and lower salary from Raptors, but while he is just salary, he does have history with the team/coaches now and has a good relationship with Domas going back to Indy.
Now you can say the same thing with McDaniels right? He knows the coaching staff etc. He is just in there as salary, nothing more.
So why in the world are the Kings trading any 2nd round pick for #58, let alone a 2nd that is almost assured to be between #31-#35 next season?
If the Kings want #58, or a much better pick than that TBH, they can just buy one, actually, they could buy 2 for the difference between the salaries in this proposal ($5m).
The 2nd year of Huerter at that salary is a positive, not a negative. He will get a pay rise from this current contract.

The Kings would move 45 to Dallas for 58 because they have to exchange something of value. Maybe they send you 58 and you send cash back instead. Hell, send each other cash if that's legal. The Portland 2nd was intended to reflect the extra value I assign to Brown over Huerter, but, in the spirit of finding a middle ground, why don't we make it the 25 Sac 2nd.

So if you're the GM of the Kings and you walk into the owner's office and tell him, we need to send #45 to Dallas. He says, no worries, what are we getting? And you say with a straight face, #58.
Huerter/Duarte/#45 for Brown/McDaniels. Unless it's part of some spectacular plan to woo Jaden away from the TWolves to play with his brother. If that's the case, then sign me up!

Why wouldn't the Kings just not do this trade and go after DJJ themselves? I'm sure he would actually be on their radar TBH. He fills a better need defensively due to his length. The Kings could go out and make a big offer for him, 3/$30m which only costs them $7m more than Brown, but they get 3 years.

[islandboy53]

Why wouldn't the Kings just not do this trade and go after DJJ themselves? I'm sure he would actually be on their radar TBH. He fills a better need defensively due to his length. The Kings could go out and make a big offer for him, 3/$30m which only costs them $7m more than Brown, but they get 3 years.

Great idea. It may cost the full NTMLE, but they'll have that available when Monk moves on.

[OxAndFox]

Why wouldn't the Kings just not do this trade and go after DJJ themselves? I'm sure he would actually be on their radar TBH. He fills a better need defensively due to his length. The Kings could go out and make a big offer for him, 3/$30m which only costs them $7m more than Brown, but they get 3 years.

Great idea. It may cost the full NTMLE, but they'll have that available when Monk moves on.

They'll have it available regardless. It's not an either or situation.

[OGSactownballer]

Wow!

Just so much having no idea what you are talking about here.

Keon Ellis is one tenth the price of Brown. Eight years younger. As good and getting better defender. More reliable 3pt shot which Kings need.

Brown would be nothing but a pricey backup and maybe some salary freed up if we just let him go all next summer - which means assets were wasted.

I get that in “your opinion” you look at it and think he’s better than Huerter. But think about that you are the only one here that thinks so. Huerter is a better offensive player. A better creator. Becoming more capable on D. A good rebounder (something missed by a lot of people and he’s tall for the position so this will only get better as he gets older and stronger). He is 26 - coming into his prime - and is far more likely to match or exceed his prior performances after one fluke my down year than a guy in Brown who has already peaked as a role player and is in his thirties. And Huerter is still locked up at a fair rate (@ 10% of the cap for a dead eye shooter is great in the current NBA) and that helps our money situation.

I feel like all your arguments come around to “I don’t really care how the other teams make out as long as mine gets the best of the trade”. But that not how trades generally work in the real world. Their is benefit there for everyone.

You're more than welcome to question the value of Brown to Sacramento. I have a different perspective, but that's cool. This proposal was intended to solve an issue for Dallas - creating space to offer DJJ the full NTMLE - and address an issue for Sacramento raised in many trade proposals, namely finding an upgrade from Huerter. I've used Toronto as a facilitator for both of those, while also finding a way for them to move Brown. It sounds like you think the Kings are generally fine, and don't need to do much this offseason. And maybe a good pick at #13 and an MLE signing will be enough to replace Monk and make the team competitive. Who can say. Also, FYI, this is not the real world, It's just some folks trying to have fun with NBA trade possibilities.

That's just it. Brown isn't an upgrade. And at best he is same value.
An upgrade on the defensive side of the ball. Sure.
As a complete package. No, he is not.

Just because OG doesn't value the trade doesn't mean he thinks the Kings are fine. Every fan of every team wants their team to get better some way.

Thank you.

I have no use - as I stated in my first comment in the thread - for this trade from the Kings perspective.

And since you reiterated that the point was to free up money for Dallas to resign a key guy who got them to where they are and insist on Sac taking it short for you to do so, it’s a hell no!

BTW I don’t think the Kings should sit tight at all. What they need to do is get bigger and longer and more effective at the PF spot. They need to upgrade Barnes. Moving Huerter is a “for the right deal” type of thing.

Barnes, filler (Duarte or Davion) and 13 for Kuzma and 26 is the deal I want to see happen. It answers our biggest need and still leaves the majority of assets intact for a bigger move when the time comes. Or simply film in moves if it all looks good at the deadline.

So yeah, the trade stinks for the Kings and really there is nothing that is going to fix it.

[islandboy53]

Why wouldn't the Kings just not do this trade and go after DJJ themselves? I'm sure he would actually be on their radar TBH. He fills a better need defensively due to his length. The Kings could go out and make a big offer for him, 3/$30m which only costs them $7m more than Brown, but they get 3 years.

Great idea. It may cost the full NTMLE, but they'll have that available when Monk moves on.

They'll have it available regardless. It's not an either or situation.

Using the NTMLE will hard cap the Kings at the 1st apron, $178.6 million. The current roster is about $150 million. Add Monk at $17.4 million, and #13 at $4.7 million, you're at about $172 million. Unlikely incentives, which count for apron purposes, gets you to $174.5 million. That looks a lot like $4 million left, so, that's all that's available if Monk returns.

[OxAndFox]

Great idea. It may cost the full NTMLE, but they'll have that available when Monk moves on.

They'll have it available regardless. It's not an either or situation.

Using the NTMLE will hard cap the Kings at the 1st apron, $178.6 million. The current roster is about $150 million. Add Monk at $17.4 million, and #13 at $4.7 million, you're at about $172 million. Unlikely incentives, which count for apron purposes, gets you to $174.5 million. That looks a lot like $4 million left, so, that's all that's available if Monk returns.

Who said they would use the #13? It's an asset that doesn't have any bearing on the salary cap.

Do you expect the same players on the Raptors to be back? I wouldn't.
What you listed is exactly what the Kings FO is figuring out right now and there are a million ways to make the money work, whether right now or in season.

[islandboy53]

They'll have it available regardless. It's not an either or situation.

Using the NTMLE will hard cap the Kings at the 1st apron, $178.6 million. The current roster is about $150 million. Add Monk at $17.4 million, and #13 at $4.7 million, you're at about $172 million. Unlikely incentives, which count for apron purposes, gets you to $174.5 million. That looks a lot like $4 million left, so, that's all that's available if Monk returns.

Who said they would use the #13? It's an asset that doesn't have any bearing on the salary cap.

We're not talking about the cap, but if we were, there is a cap hold for 1st round picks of 120% of their rookie scale salary. Sacramento is well beyond the cap, and the NTMLE is an exception, which allows them to exceed the cap, as I'm sure you know. You must also know that using any portion of the NTMLE greater than the $5 million taxpayer MLE hardcaps a team at the 1st apron. As I've detailed, assuming the Kings bring back their current roster plus their draft pick, and sign Monk at the max allowable, they will only have $4 million to offer under the hard cap.

Do you expect the same players on the Raptors to be back? I wouldn't.
What you listed is exactly what the Kings FO is figuring out right now and there are a million ways to make the money work, whether right now or in season.

I responded to your comment that the full NTMLE was available regardless of whether Monk returns or not. I explained why that's not true in the current situation. You now seem to be shifting the goal posts. Of course, the Kings could try to shed salary to free up the full $13 million, plus whatever is needed to fill any empty spots at the minimum (that means sending out at least $9 million more than they bring back) but that wasn't your original claim. Also, you should be aware that any such moves would have to be made before the exception could be used. Since Monk will be receiving offers from other teams at 6:01 pm June 30th, they would need to have those moves completed before the end of the moratorium - in season is not a possibility.