SPURS 2024 OFF-SEASON INTEREST, TRADE, AND FA RUMOURS THREAD

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Garland I can take being a Klutch client (while holding my nose) as his deal is already inked. However, as he has 4 years remaining on his deal at around $40m/year, the Spurs better not be trading too much for him. Keldon+Collins/Graham to match salary, a young player Branham/Wesley, the 4 or 8 (if 8, then include protected Chicago or Charlotte picks next year). Anything more than that and I think its a NO from me and I think my proposal is a generous one.

I think it's a fair value assessment. For me if NO's are involved & Spurs are not enamored with Risarcher considering all the news of Spurs packaging up. I don't think Clingan falls to 8. So if NO's are in fact involved in a multiple team deal with BI to Cavs & Garland to Spurs. I'd agree to (Keldon, Collins, #4 Clingan) for intended purpose of trading up & be the team to offer a FRP to Atlanta for #1.

Depending on the Hawks asking price of Murray.

I'd be good with (BI, FRP) for (Keldon, Collins, #1 Sarr)

I'd like to upgrade CJ at point defensively but I think not wanting him has blinded me a bit in that I don't expect either Sarr or Daniels to be ready next yr & sticking with CJ might be to a benefit. With this trade NO's address the biggest hole on roster With Sarr & Collins, get a young Keldon who's a cheaper option, to share SF with Murphy moving into the starting rotation.

Sarr - Collins - Nance --------------2yr development gap ----- Sarr 21
Zion - Nance -------------------------------------------------------- Zion 26
Murphy - Keldon/Daniels ------------------------------------------ Murphy 26
Herb - Hawkins/Daniels ------------------------------------------- Herb 28 - Hawkins 24
CJ - Jose/Daniels --------------------------------------------------- Daniels 22

2yrs, CJ's 30m expired freeing cap. So while Murray will upgrade CJ now, which is how I was watching the situation despite targeting a raw big in Sarr. For what Hawks appear to want for him, I'm good with just targeting Keldon/Sarr for BI/FRP.

If we do move up it's for Risacher. We've been scouting him for a while, and by scouting I mean RC traveled to watch him play, and RC now runs the entire Spurs Sports & Entertainment. The majority owner traveled to watch him play, too. And that was well before the draft slots had been set. So the interest is clearly there.

We didn't want BI when he was first presented to us by LAL (though he was part of an unattractive offer). Just because a guy is drafted high does not mean he lives up to the billing. I doubt we want him now either. Honestly would rather have Trae at his contract (huge, but shorter) than whatever extension BI is about to be eligible for.

BI is going to Cavs for Garland, Spurs are getting Garland.

That said if the Spurs are interested in Risarcher then my trade makes no sense, as the point of it is to trade up for Sarr. I think if NO's are to upgrade CJ using BI, it should be defensively not offensively.

[Rustyman]

BI is going to Cavs for Garland, Spurs are getting Garland.

That said if the Spurs are interested in Risarcher then my trade makes no sense, as the point of it is to trade up for Sarr. I think if NO's are to upgrade CJ using BI, it should be defensively not offensively.

While I do think that a deal with NO/CLE/SAS could work as it would allow each team to get what it wanted but I think NO could simply make the trade BI/Garland independent of the Spurs and then the question is what do NO want from the SAS?

[Whole Truth]

BI is going to Cavs for Garland, Spurs are getting Garland.

That said if the Spurs are interested in Risarcher then my trade makes no sense, as the point of it is to trade up for Sarr. I think if NO's are to upgrade CJ using BI, it should be defensively not offensively.

While I do think that a deal with NO/CLE/SAS could work as it would allow each team to get what it wanted but I think NO could simply make the trade BI/Garland independent of the Spurs and then the question is what do NO want from the SAS?

To connect them to the #1 pick in a Hawk potential trade down for Clingan. Which is why I say if Spurs like Risarcher the point of my trade is moot. Spurs would have to have more interest in Garland for it to be a possibility.

Taking Zion's injury history into consideration, I don't think NO's are a BI Garland swap away from contending. BI for Garland IMO, is just rearranging chairs. It's risky but I'm targeting the upside & cost control of Sarr so NO's can pivot to development & draft. As history shows Zion not playing a full season is almost a certainty.

[Rustyman]

The only problem I have with any trade involving the Hawks is that they really want their picks back in 25 and 27 and the pick swap in 26 and if I was them, that is what I would want to. Also, there is the perception that the Spurs ripped them one in the Dejounte trade and getting the picks back would allow them to redeem that trade.

The Spurs seem to however feel that the Hawks picks are really valuable and there is no way they are simply going to trade for Dejounte to hand those back. For Tre, there may be enough value to give back some if not all those picks. To do so however, the trade is going to have to include more than Tre. So like I mentioned earlier, Tre+1 for the Spurs 4 (where they can take Clingan), the Spurs picks in 25 and 27 may work plus salary filler from the Spurs. The problem with that is that it takes the Spurs out of any interest for Garland so the NO/CLE trade will have to happen independently.

However, because 2025 is seen as a generational draft, the Spurs may be hesitant to trade that so a third party might be necessary to facilitate.

[Whole Truth]

The only problem I have with any trade involving the Hawks is that they really want their picks back in 25 and 27 and the pick swap in 26 and if I was them, that is what I would want to. Also, there is the perception that the Spurs ripped them one in the Dejounte trade and getting the picks back would allow them to redeem that trade.

The Spurs seem to however feel that the Hawks picks are really valuable and there is no way they are simply going to trade for Dejounte to hand those back. For Tre, there may be enough value to give back some if not all those picks. To do so however, the trade is going to have to include more than Tre. So like I mentioned earlier, Tre+1 for the Spurs 4 (where they can take Clingan), the Spurs picks in 25 and 27 may work plus salary filler from the Spurs. The problem with that is that it takes the Spurs out of any interest for Garland so the NO/CLE trade will have to happen independently.

However, because 2025 is seen as a generational draft, the Spurs may be hesitant to trade that so a third party might be necessary to facilitate.

The NO's/Lakers 25 pick I had going to the Hawks, is now going to the Spurs for the Hawks 25 draft rights, if that's what they want but I think Jam on the Hawk board is right, the Lakers pick projection is better than their own 25 pick but it does have value in control of direction, which I think is what they want most in case they need to pivot at the deadline concerning trading Young who's got 2yr & a player option he can opt out of to leverage trade being their most valuable asset.

My 25 pick projection -

Lakers have been a play in team the last couple years with a lot of young teams on the rise, including a couple that just missed the PO's like Houston, while being relatively healthy. Memphis are going to have a bounce back from an injury riddled season. Lakers don't have anything but the 19th pick in a weak draft to improve that teams don't value in trade like they normally would as a result. Lebron is a year older, Davis who's an injury risk has been playing through injuries he normally doesn't & they're still a borderline PO team. Something is about to give. They're now looking for a new coach, where there will be an adjustment period to implement a new system/chemistry.

Whereas, with the Spurs/Hawks 25, they lucked into considerable value to improve landing the #1 pick. They too were a play in team in the weaker Eastern conference but IMO have a better avenue to improve. Just deciding to trade Murray could improve chemistry issues.

So IMO Lakers 25 has better lotto projection than Hawks 25 but for NO's to get that Hawk 25 is the avenue to #1. I have the Hawk pick being substituted with something that makes trading it worth it to the Spurs. Unless you disagree with my projection concerning the Lakers & Hawks next year.

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

- I think Spurs get a better projected 25 pick if you agree Lakers are in a worse state
- Hawks get control of their draft rights back 25, if they want to pivot direction
- NO's/Lakers 25 was going to Hawks for #1, substituted to the Spurs for their draft rights

[Whole Truth]

Rumor has Spurs trading 4 & 8 for Risarcher

My trade suggestion has Spurs trading 4 & Hawks 25 for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

The 2 outcomes are - (Garland, #8, NO/Lakers 25) vs (#1 Risarcher, Hawks 25)

[Rustyman]

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

- I think Spurs get a better projected 25 pick if you agree Lakers are in a worse state
- Hawks get control of their draft rights back 25, if they want to pivot direction
- NO's/Lakers 25 was going to Hawks for #1, substituted to the Spurs for their draft rights

I think this is a good compromise for all.

[Rustyman]

Rumor has Spurs trading 4 & 8 for Risarcher

My trade suggestion has Spurs trading 4 & Hawks 25 for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

The 2 outcomes are - (Garland, #8, NO/Lakers 25) vs (#1 Risarcher, Hawks 25)

I would be VERY VERY surprised if the Spurs traded both their picks for the no.1. Risacher might be good but there are too many other good players in the draft to sacrifice 2 top 10 picks for him.

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Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

- I think Spurs get a better projected 25 pick if you agree Lakers are in a worse state
- Hawks get control of their draft rights back 25, if they want to pivot direction
- NO's/Lakers 25 was going to Hawks for #1, substituted to the Spurs for their draft rights

I think this is a good compromise for all.

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

[Rustyman]

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

- I think Spurs get a better projected 25 pick if you agree Lakers are in a worse state
- Hawks get control of their draft rights back 25, if they want to pivot direction
- NO's/Lakers 25 was going to Hawks for #1, substituted to the Spurs for their draft rights

I think this is a good compromise for all.

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

I don't know anything about Traore but you see to love him. What is it about him that makes you think he should be a target for the Spurs? Not being critical but just want to know what you see in him 12 months out of the 25 draft that makes you think we should target him.

My weird fascination is that if the Spurs get no.1 next year, they should trade Cooper Flagg for a bucket load of picks.

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I think this is a good compromise for all.

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

I don't know anything about Traore but you see to love him. What is it about him that makes you think he should be a target for the Spurs? Not being critical but just want to know what you see in him 12 months out of the 25 draft that makes you think we should target him.

My weird fascination is that if the Spurs get no.1 next year, they should trade Cooper Flagg for a bucket load of picks.

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I agree about Cooper Flagg. My early pov is he is less likely to live up to the hype. I'd be down for trading down for Traore and get a boat load of picks for our troubles.

Having another guy who surely thinks of himself as a #1 on a team may not be ideal for us. We're all about building around Wemby. Doubt Flagg would acquiesce to being a Robin. But that's a way's away. Right now, we control what we can, and giving up valuable picks for a very expensive win now player may cost us NT which is not worth it.

[Whole Truth]

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 rights) for (Garland, NO's/Lakers 25)

- I think Spurs get a better projected 25 pick if you agree Lakers are in a worse state
- Hawks get control of their draft rights back 25, if they want to pivot direction
- NO's/Lakers 25 was going to Hawks for #1, substituted to the Spurs for their draft rights

I think this is a good compromise for all.

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

The Lakers pick is unprotected.

It was a 24/25 year swap. If Lakers had landed #1 in this draft, NO's would not have deferred the pick to 25. So trading the 25 for the specified target I have at 1 comes like the Lakers landed #1 in this draft, if I work the deal properly to get some value out of BI, bird in the hand. I expect the Lakers to miss the PO's next year, bird in a bush. They've been lucky with an injury prone Davis for the last 2yrs, he's played through injuries that have normally sidelined him & are due. Lebron is a year older & the coaching change will impact the teams start to the season. They have little to nothing to improve their roster with Memphis looking at a bounce back season among other young teams that missed the PO's on the rise like Houston.

I would argue the Lakers pick will give you a better shot than the Hawks out east. There were young teams in the West breathing down LA's neck & I expect an injured Memphis team with a healthy Ja to bounce back & be in the PO picture

With the Hawks lucking into the value of the #1 pick to help improve, who out East do you see threatening an improved Hawks roster ? there several non PO teams in the West that can change that landscape.

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I think this is a good compromise for all.

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

The Lakers pick is unprotected.

It was a 24/25 year swap. If Lakers had landed #1 in this draft, NO's would not have deferred the pick to 25. So trading the 25 for the specified target I have at 1 comes like the Lakers landed #1 in this draft, if I work the deal properly to get some value out of BI, bird in the hand. I expect the Lakers to miss the PO's next year, bird in a bush. They've been lucky with an injury prone Davis for the last 2yrs, he's played through injuries that have normally sidelined him & are due. Lebron is a year older & the coaching change will impact the teams start to the season. They have little to nothing to improve their roster with Memphis looking at a bounce back season among other young teams that missed the PO's on the rise like Houston.

I would argue the Lakers pick will give you a better shot than the Hawks out east. There were young teams in the West breathing down LA's neck & I expect an injured Memphis team with a healthy Ja to bounce back & be in the PO picture

With the Hawks lucking into the value of the #1 pick to help improve, who out East do you see threatening an improved Hawks roster ? there several non PO teams in the West that can change that landscape.

As long as LBJ plays for LAL they will not tank. And if they're middling then they will make trades to compete. This will not be a more valuable pick than Hawks' one.

[Whole Truth]

If LAL is not unprotected then no. These are not only valuable in and of themselves, but for trade purposes, should they arise. Unless it's a surefire get coming the other way, we want as many shots at Traore as possible, or an enticing package to acquire him. Long term game in play.

The Lakers pick is unprotected.

It was a 24/25 year swap. If Lakers had landed #1 in this draft, NO's would not have deferred the pick to 25. So trading the 25 for the specified target I have at 1 comes like the Lakers landed #1 in this draft, if I work the deal properly to get some value out of BI, bird in the hand. I expect the Lakers to miss the PO's next year, bird in a bush. They've been lucky with an injury prone Davis for the last 2yrs, he's played through injuries that have normally sidelined him & are due. Lebron is a year older & the coaching change will impact the teams start to the season. They have little to nothing to improve their roster with Memphis looking at a bounce back season among other young teams that missed the PO's on the rise like Houston.

I would argue the Lakers pick will give you a better shot than the Hawks out east. There were young teams in the West breathing down LA's neck & I expect an injured Memphis team with a healthy Ja to bounce back & be in the PO picture

With the Hawks lucking into the value of the #1 pick to help improve, who out East do you see threatening an improved Hawks roster ? there several non PO teams in the West that can change that landscape.

As long as LBJ plays for LAL they will not tank. And if they're middling then they will make trades to compete. This will not be a more valuable pick than Hawks' one.

Lakers were a play in team healthy, are changing their coach to which there will be an adjustment period & have no real avenue to improve. Houston was in the mix, Memphis will get better.

I'm not a betting man but I'd wager Hawks finish with the better record.

Having said that, my projection of pick value is not what matters if you project the Hawks pick to be more valuable.

[Rustyman]

I agree about Cooper Flagg. My early pov is he is less likely to live up to the hype. I'd be down for trading down for Traore and get a boat load of picks for our troubles.

Having another guy who surely thinks of himself as a #1 on a team may not be ideal for us. We're all about building around Wemby. Doubt Flagg would acquiesce to being a Robin. But that's a way's away. Right now, we control what we can, and giving up valuable picks for a very expensive win now player may cost us NT which is not worth it.

Thanks for the video links. I will have a look later. I have no doubt that if we don't trade/draft a high-level PG this year, we will do it in 25. With Flagg, I think he has extremely high value for a perennial underachiever like the Wizards/Bulls/Hornets etc. or a team that needs some buzz like Cavs/Kings/etc. so if we can get in those discussions, it could set the Spurs up for the latter part of the 2020's and early part of 2030's.

[Rustyman]

As long as LBJ plays for LAL they will not tank. And if they're middling then they will make trades to compete. This will not be a more valuable pick than Hawks' one.

Need to re-inforce this. As long as LBJ is on the Lakers, they are not tanking and will sacrifice their future to do so.

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As long as LBJ plays for LAL they will not tank. And if they're middling then they will make trades to compete. This will not be a more valuable pick than Hawks' one.

Need to re-inforce this. As long as LBJ is on the Lakers, they are not tanking and will sacrifice their future to do so.

I hope James stays in LA...... FOREVER!!!!!

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And so it begins, etc...

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Interesting phrasing, that.

The Lakers, Pelicans and Spurs remain three destinations that would be appealing to Young, league sources told Yahoo Sports, and teams in the lottery are not discounting the possibility the Spurs could engineer a move up to the top slot, which could open the door for Atlanta possibly selecting Clingan at No. 4.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-draft-uncertainty-is-the-theme-for-1st-round-prospects-even-those-at-the-top-225531497.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANrAZ6B6luo6SJ03xTlokfIHh4UqmRlueQoIiCskWltrgv40YXPh_N1BBrJsLgKTJJH1nECV6E9wE34DyqcJk2PtUsOA9lfxBtG0hSslYKTbnVtHTcTk1-hd2IYIe6RBFs9bZXgPuhY9WKbnEKC43m0-giki5D2YoLr-2q0x68dm