2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[Johnston]

Thanks for the info! Cason would’ve been nice, too, but very possible that Gradey becomes the more potent offensive player. Cason should be really solid though. Hard to say who’ll be the best player long term.

Unfortunately, I don't see Dick being that good of an offensive player. Cason should be the better player, already shooting 40% from 3s. Meaning Dick would be better than 40%?

Gradey is def the better offensive player. Carson is a smart player and only shoots wide open shots. The reason why Carson is the better player is due to his defense

I have nothing to back this, but I remember after the draft Bobby Webster said he didn't think Gradey would drop to them and during the pre draft process he was in a class of his own. I wouldn't be surprised if the raps suspected Cason was their pick, but had Gradey higher on their board.

[WuTang_CMB]

Unfortunately, I don't see Dick being that good of an offensive player. Cason should be the better player, already shooting 40% from 3s. Meaning Dick would be better than 40%?

Gradey is def the better offensive player. Carson is a smart player and only shoots wide open shots. The reason why Carson is the better player is due to his defense

I have nothing to back this, but I remember after the draft Bobby Webster said he didn't think Gradey would drop to them and during the pre draft process he was in a class of his own. I wouldn't be surprised if the raps suspected Cason was their pick, but had Gradey higher on their board.

ORL was at 11. I suspect they knew from weltman that gradey was going to fall (he was mocked theere for weeks) hence why they brought in gradey for a second work out. Cason was up there too but i think they knew he was going to be gone. Bufkin also got a second workout just in case gradey didnt fall.

[Indeed]

Thanks for the info! Cason would’ve been nice, too, but very possible that Gradey becomes the more potent offensive player. Cason should be really solid though. Hard to say who’ll be the best player long term.

Unfortunately, I don't see Dick being that good of an offensive player. Cason should be the better player, already shooting 40% from 3s. Meaning Dick would be better than 40%?

%s don't tell the full story, otherwise would you say Cason and Curry are comparable 3pt shooters given they shot the same % last season?

Cason had 2.9 3PA w/ 2.5 off 0 dribbles, 1.8 wide open
Gradey had 4.0 3PA w/ 3.2 off 0 dribbles, 1.9 wide open

They're not shooting the same 3 point shots. Don't get me wrong, Cason is a better overall player. I think he has a strong chance of coming out of this draft as one of the top 5 players when it's all said and done and I wish we were able to trade up for him and get him. But just from a shooting perspective, you can make the argument that Gradey projects better over time than Cason based on the difficulty of shots he'll be able to make and what that does to opposing defenses. We saw Dallas sag off Wallace during the POs as an example, and there is no way they would have sagged off Dick.

3 point shooting is just telling Cason can be at the level of Gradey. Meanwhile, the strength of Cason is better than Gradey. I don't see Gradey can have the handling and quickness.

As for difficulty of shots, I have ball penetration ahead of movement shooting, because defense won't double movement shooting (except Curry who also has a handle and quickness), while ball penetration would be more dangerous with pullup.

Time will tell if I am wrong that Gradey is more potent offensive player instead of Cason.

[PushDaRock]

Unfortunately, I don't see Dick being that good of an offensive player. Cason should be the better player, already shooting 40% from 3s. Meaning Dick would be better than 40%?

%s don't tell the full story, otherwise would you say Cason and Curry are comparable 3pt shooters given they shot the same % last season?

Cason had 2.9 3PA w/ 2.5 off 0 dribbles, 1.8 wide open
Gradey had 4.0 3PA w/ 3.2 off 0 dribbles, 1.9 wide open

They're not shooting the same 3 point shots. Don't get me wrong, Cason is a better overall player. I think he has a strong chance of coming out of this draft as one of the top 5 players when it's all said and done and I wish we were able to trade up for him and get him. But just from a shooting perspective, you can make the argument that Gradey projects better over time than Cason based on the difficulty of shots he'll be able to make and what that does to opposing defenses. We saw Dallas sag off Wallace during the POs as an example, and there is no way they would have sagged off Dick.

3 point shooting is just telling Cason can be at the level of Gradey. Meanwhile, the strength of Cason is better than Gradey. I don't see Gradey can have the handling and quickness.

As for difficulty of shots, I have ball penetration ahead of movement shooting, because defense won't double movement shooting (except Curry who also has a handle and quickness), while ball penetration would be more dangerous with pullup.

Time will tell if I am wrong that Gradey is more potent offensive player instead of Cason.

Wallace played in 82 games and got to the FT line a total of 37 times, hard to consider him much of a penetrator.

[Rapsfan07]

Random question

NOP offers Ingram and MIL 2024 FRP (pick 21) for Kelly and RJ. Are you taking that?

We’d have to pay Ingram ~40 million so it’s do you think he’s worth 12 million more than RJ and is losing Kelly for the 21st pick worth it?

No, I probably won't. I like Ingram a lot but given how much we're going to have pay him, I'd say no. Especially considering we're not in a place to be competing right now.

[Rapsfan07]

Edey's best fit according to analytics is in Miami as he patches up a ton of their weaknesses.

As for Clingan the amount of teams rumored to want him says a lot about the market for competent centers. It might be the right time to trade Poeltl so we can properly tank OR wait until the deadline as there could be some desperate teams in the playoff hunt but then it would destroy the tank.

Smart move is to trade Poeltl now while there is more potential demand with teams missing a starting C. They can't just wait for a team to make an offer, go out and sell them on how weak this draft is. Otherwise, could be stuck with him for quite a while

Damn right. Trade him now, help ourselves with the 2025 superstar draft.

Been saying it for a while. It only makes sense. Centers are rarely in demand and they seem to be right now. Can't afford to miss the wave when we could be collecting assets for the future.

[canada_dry]

It's my understanding that we had a deal lined up to jump up to 11 via the Magic but that one fell through once OKC traded up to 10 to select him and thus we just went BPA with Dick.

Thanks for the info! Cason would’ve been nice, too, but very possible that Gradey becomes the more potent offensive player. Cason should be really solid though. Hard to say who’ll be the best player long term.

Unfortunately, I don't see Dick being that good of an offensive player. Cason should be the better player, already shooting 40% from 3s. Meaning Dick would be better than 40%?

He could definitely be above 40...

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[Indeed]

%s don't tell the full story, otherwise would you say Cason and Curry are comparable 3pt shooters given they shot the same % last season?

Cason had 2.9 3PA w/ 2.5 off 0 dribbles, 1.8 wide open
Gradey had 4.0 3PA w/ 3.2 off 0 dribbles, 1.9 wide open

They're not shooting the same 3 point shots. Don't get me wrong, Cason is a better overall player. I think he has a strong chance of coming out of this draft as one of the top 5 players when it's all said and done and I wish we were able to trade up for him and get him. But just from a shooting perspective, you can make the argument that Gradey projects better over time than Cason based on the difficulty of shots he'll be able to make and what that does to opposing defenses. We saw Dallas sag off Wallace during the POs as an example, and there is no way they would have sagged off Dick.

3 point shooting is just telling Cason can be at the level of Gradey. Meanwhile, the strength of Cason is better than Gradey. I don't see Gradey can have the handling and quickness.

As for difficulty of shots, I have ball penetration ahead of movement shooting, because defense won't double movement shooting (except Curry who also has a handle and quickness), while ball penetration would be more dangerous with pullup.

Time will tell if I am wrong that Gradey is more potent offensive player instead of Cason.

Wallace played in 82 games and got to the FT line a total of 37 times, hard to consider him much of a penetrator.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*cason&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Not saying he is the best of it, since there are few rookies ranked higher in PnR handler, and perhaps this is expected for being 6'3. However, I am unsure championship team has someone like Gradey, while I compare Cason to Jure / Smart on a contending team.

[alpngso]

would you take on 3 years of Jordan Poole to get #2 pick in this draft?

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[BoyzNTheHood]

would you take on 3 years of Jordan Poole to get #2 pick in this draft?

I’d consider it only because I get a shot at Sarr or Buzelis, but paying Scottie, RJ, Poole, and Quick all 30+ per season would seriously handicap us. I’d have to decline in the end. Now, if they want to give up the 2025 pick, I’ll take on Poole AND Kuz right this minute!

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm thinking Djurusic or Mogbo is the 31st pick.

The 19 is a hard call unless I imagine players to drop. Kyshawn George gives me Banton vibes. By contrast Bobbi Klintman is a polished looking wing with far superior agility. Holmes I like. I could live with Ware.

Maybe we'll shock and pick Klintman 19 and Djurusic 31.
Or, Ware 19 and Mogbo 31
Or, Holmes 19 and Jaylon Tyson 31.

Personally, while I recognize that Ware 'could' be a better C of the future then Edey, his red flag just makes me want no part of him.
Same for Missi. Filipowski, well we already have Poeltl, so why bother there? Chomche? Oh please no. If we had a 50th pick, maybe. So if Edey is gone, don't waste a pick on a C this round.

I'd be happy with some shooting, or versatile players who bring NBA skills and size that we might be lacking. I like Bub. 19 might be a reach, but I wouldn't complain. Holmes would be great at 31, maybe a reach at 19. I'd be happy with Mogbo at 31. Get a mini-Scottie as a backup. Scheierman, Klintman, Furphy. Trade down from 31 and get two 2nds and take Cam Spencer with one of them. Maybe we could land Cam and Mogbo in the 2nd, and get Bub or Furphy, or maybe even McCain at 19.

Ware seems to have a certain upside but what bothers me is he and Missi's names get thrown around because people think the 5 is a priority when it is not. I like Bub too. No complaints with that selection at all. I'd be happy with Mogbo at 31 - yup! I do not think Holmes is a reach at 19. This draft is like that. Bub skills are second to none. Maybe Bub at 19 and Klintman at 31 is a skills package that is too hard to rival with any other combo. If we do not get a point guard or a five, free agency beckons and we could offer sheet James Wiseman or Jaxson Hayes. Point guards?

[C_Money]

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No idea why this guy is considered 2nd round in this sh*tty draft.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I wonder if a there's a fit with Barnes, Mobgo, and Edey in the frontcourt

Quickley/Morris/Beekman
Barrett/Dick/Agbaji
Barnes/McDaniels/Temple
Mogbo/Olynyk/Boucher
Edey/Poeltl/Williams

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[raptor jesus]

Cam Spencer's combination of size, shooting and PnR play reminds me quite a bit of Jose Calderon. I think Spencer is better at making quick reads, though i.e. he doesn't pound the rock like Jose tended to do, and he's more competitive defensively. He's also a seemless fit in Darko's system, which stresses quick decision making a good cutting; plus a solid complimentary piece for Scottie. I'd be happy to leave the draft with him and a stretch big.

[RoteSchroder]

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No idea why this guy is considered 2nd round in this sh*tty draft.

I mean..no one drafted in the 2nd round should be considered "high risk"

[deeps6x]

I'm thinking Djurusic or Mogbo is the 31st pick.

The 19 is a hard call unless I imagine players to drop. Kyshawn George gives me Banton vibes. By contrast Bobbi Klintman is a polished looking wing with far superior agility. Holmes I like. I could live with Ware.

Maybe we'll shock and pick Klintman 19 and Djurusic 31.
Or, Ware 19 and Mogbo 31
Or, Holmes 19 and Jaylon Tyson 31.

Personally, while I recognize that Ware 'could' be a better C of the future then Edey, his red flag just makes me want no part of him.
Same for Missi. Filipowski, well we already have Poeltl, so why bother there? Chomche? Oh please no. If we had a 50th pick, maybe. So if Edey is gone, don't waste a pick on a C this round.

I'd be happy with some shooting, or versatile players who bring NBA skills and size that we might be lacking. I like Bub. 19 might be a reach, but I wouldn't complain. Holmes would be great at 31, maybe a reach at 19. I'd be happy with Mogbo at 31. Get a mini-Scottie as a backup. Scheierman, Klintman, Furphy. Trade down from 31 and get two 2nds and take Cam Spencer with one of them. Maybe we could land Cam and Mogbo in the 2nd, and get Bub or Furphy, or maybe even McCain at 19.

Ware seems to have a certain upside but what bothers me is he and Missi's names get thrown around because people think the 5 is a priority when it is not. I like Bub too. No complaints with that selection at all. I'd be happy with Mogbo at 31 - yup! I do not think Holmes is a reach at 19. This draft is like that. Bub skills are second to none. Maybe Bub at 19 and Klintman at 31 is a skills package that is too hard to rival with any other combo. If we do not get a point guard or a five, free agency beckons and we could offer sheet James Wiseman or Jaxson Hayes. Point guards?

I won't be surprised if Holmes goes around #19, but I think his range is more likely 25-30. If he's there are 31, yeah, that should be a decent value pick. The problem is this sure feels like a super flat draft. 1-15 combined might not be better then 16-30 a few years out. Even 31-45 looks like it could have a decent number of good role players. It's so hard to call, especially for regular fans like us, who have no professional qualifications as basketball talent scouts, but we keep talking like we do. The Dunning-Kruger effect.

I'm counting on Masai, Bobby and their draft team to get it right, and pick up players who, in the big picture, can help us get back to winning another championship.

Now I personally feel that trading Poeltl this summer is the right thing to do, to help with the 2025 tank. Scottie and IQ will get their bags of money from the team, so I'm sure they'll play along. Is it the right move? I don't know. Is it a move Masai could even pull off, assuming he also thought it was the right move? I don't know. Maybe he can't get a decent return for Poeltl. Maybe his ego won't let him trade him now. Maybe MLSE won't let him trade him now. We'll never know, unless he does trade him and gets a good return for him. From my perspective, that would be a 9th or higher pick in this draft.

[WuTang_CMB]

Scotto: The Knicks have multiple picks in the 20s in this draft. I’ve touched on how many around the league believe Ryan Dunn of Virginia – a stout defensive player and arguably the best perimeter defender in this class – a lot of people believe his floor is the Knicks at pick 25. If the Knicks don’t dangle their picks in trade talks, I’d look at Dunn. If they need a backup for OG Anunoby when he’s hurt, I can’t think of a better perimeter defender to make up for what he does. I know Thibodeau doesn’t usually play rookies, but that kid is special on defense if you look at his stocks production (steals and blocks). Anunoby is always hurt. I know the Knicks like him and brought him in for a workout. Some people think he’s going to go higher, and that includes some with the Knicks.

Bondy: One thing Leon Rose hasn’t been shy about doing is wheeling and dealing on draft night. I think where the Knicks are, I don’t think they’re going to have much use for their two picks late in the first round. I think they’re going to try and swap them out, whether that’s to consolidate them to one pick or get another player.

Begley: I actually disagree. I’m going to say that they make at least one of those first-round picks, and if they can move off of one to kick it two years down the road, maybe they do that. The picks in this draft aren’t valued highly. I’d think they make at least, if not two, of those three picks they have. You talk about the salary cap and spending, and those rookie deals are better than signing a veteran free agent to similar length deals.

[PoundTown]

I wonder if a there's a fit with Barnes, Mobgo, and Edey in the frontcourt

Quickley/Morris/Beekman
Barrett/Dick/Agbaji
Barnes/McDaniels/Temple
Mogbo/Olynyk/Boucher
Edey/Poeltl/Williams

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Mogbo needs to develop his jumper but if he does he is probably a high end role player. He brings physicality, athleticism, defence, and passing. His shooting from a free throw perspective really improved from year one to year two at San Francisco and reports were signalling progress and improvements in range during workouts, so he might have the ability to do it and be the guy like a pj tucker that can learn it later on, when they realize their playing In the nba and they can’t just dominate inside anymore. But, also he could not develop it and be the next Quincy acy and be out of the league in a few years.