OT: Who is the smartest ever NBA player

[LiSTWithLani]

Let's be honest. "Smartest" is a fairly broad term. In terms of IQ, the general population is about 90-110. Majority of the NBA is probably scores in that zone including the players mentioned. Don't think there's a single player that would score 150+. Main difference mainly boils down to effort, rather than intelligence.

IQ is a really crappy measure of intelligence in my opinion.

Yeah for years and years I bragged about having a really high IQ and then I did a 25 page essay on it while in university and it’s largely bull. If anything it’s a rough measure of cognitive processing power (which in itself is hard to measure) compared against similar peers (age, demographics, etc.). And then when you start to look at social and environmental factors that can impact cognitive processing in the short and long term, it’s generally a pretty meaningless measure.

What matters more than folks would like to admit is environment, nurturing, luck, etc.

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

[TheGeneral99]

Regular life everyday IQ does not necessarily correlate with high basketball IQ.

You can have a very high IQ person who has a very low basketball IQ and vice versa.

[HiJiNX]

IQ is a really crappy measure of intelligence in my opinion.

Yeah for years and years I bragged about having a really high IQ and then I did a 25 page essay on it while in university and it’s largely bull. If anything it’s a rough measure of cognitive processing power (which in itself is hard to measure) compared against similar peers (age, demographics, etc.). And then when you start to look at social and environmental factors that can impact cognitive processing in the short and long term, it’s generally a pretty meaningless measure.

What matters more than folks would like to admit is environment, nurturing, luck, etc.

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

[Clay Davis]

Yeah for years and years I bragged about having a really high IQ and then I did a 25 page essay on it while in university and it’s largely bull. If anything it’s a rough measure of cognitive processing power (which in itself is hard to measure) compared against similar peers (age, demographics, etc.). And then when you start to look at social and environmental factors that can impact cognitive processing in the short and long term, it’s generally a pretty meaningless measure.

What matters more than folks would like to admit is environment, nurturing, luck, etc.

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

You got that rizztelligence

[RoteSchroder]

IQ is a really crappy measure of intelligence in my opinion.

Yeah for years and years I bragged about having a really high IQ and then I did a 25 page essay on it while in university and it’s largely bull. If anything it’s a rough measure of cognitive processing power (which in itself is hard to measure) compared against similar peers (age, demographics, etc.). And then when you start to look at social and environmental factors that can impact cognitive processing in the short and long term, it’s generally a pretty meaningless measure.

What matters more than folks would like to admit is environment, nurturing, luck, etc.

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

It's a good measure for stupidity, but bad measure for intelligence.

You gotta be dumb af to get below 120 imo. Although the military cutoff is like 85 or something.

[LiSTWithLani]

Yeah for years and years I bragged about having a really high IQ and then I did a 25 page essay on it while in university and it’s largely bull. If anything it’s a rough measure of cognitive processing power (which in itself is hard to measure) compared against similar peers (age, demographics, etc.). And then when you start to look at social and environmental factors that can impact cognitive processing in the short and long term, it’s generally a pretty meaningless measure.

What matters more than folks would like to admit is environment, nurturing, luck, etc.

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

Firstly, thank you for sharing. I'm glad to hear that things are on the upswing for you!
I think that we might have some interesting similarities.

Sorry to hear about the challenges you faced in your adolescence.

[HiJiNX]

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

You got that rizztelligence

Hahahaha never change.

[HiJiNX]

I have to ask, what was your IQ score?

I received a very high score, they re-tested me and I scored in the same range. I have ADHD and was never good at applying myself as a young man, but I would acknowledge that I'm 'smart', in the general sense.

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

Firstly, thank you for sharing. I'm glad to hear that things are on the upswing for you!
I think that we might have some interesting similarities.

Sorry to hear about the challenges you faced in your adolescence.

Thank you!!

I bet we do have some similarities for sure. I might even have ADHD. Many people in my life have suggested it, but I don’t think I do as I’ve done a few pre-screenings that don’t suggest ADHD to be true for me. What’s more likely is that I have CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder) from my very challenging upbringing, and many of the manifestations of CPTSD look like ADHD and/or autism.

Anyway, I appreciate the kind words and the conversation. Hope all is well for you these days as well. Neurodivergence of any kind can be really difficult to navigate.

[LiSTWithLani]

The lowest I’ve measured was 130 and the highest is 155 but I’ve generally scored in the 140-145 range.

My issue in school (and sometimes in my career) was that everything was too easy for me so I didn’t develop good work habits as I didn’t need them. I also didn’t get a lot of support because when you’re smart people just assume you’ll figure things out. And in some ways they’re not wrong but coaching and mentorship would have accelerated many processes for me.

I also had a crazy difficult upbringing (like REALLY difficult), which impacted my development in some very key areas. As an example, I was on track to graduate high school at 16 years old but a bunch of wild stuff happened and next thing you know it’s taking me 5 years to complete both high school and uni. Hence my statement that intelligence isn’t everything. Environment matters. That said, I went from prodigy to late bloomer but now things are really blooming for me.

Firstly, thank you for sharing. I'm glad to hear that things are on the upswing for you!
I think that we might have some interesting similarities.

Sorry to hear about the challenges you faced in your adolescence.

Thank you!!

I bet we do have some similarities for sure. I might even have ADHD. Many people in my life have suggested it, but I don’t think I do as I’ve done a few pre-screenings that don’t suggest ADHD to be true for me. What’s more likely is that I have CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder) from my very challenging upbringing, and many of the manifestations of CPTSD look like ADHD and/or autism.

Anyway, I appreciate the kind words and the conversation. Hope all is well for you these days as well. Neurodivergence of any kind can be really difficult to navigate.

That it can be. I try to focus on what I'm able to do and to create for myself. It sounds like you've managed to get back onto your feet, despite some considerable hurdles. Keep going and don't be a stranger!

[HiJiNX]

Firstly, thank you for sharing. I'm glad to hear that things are on the upswing for you!
I think that we might have some interesting similarities.

Sorry to hear about the challenges you faced in your adolescence.

Thank you!!

I bet we do have some similarities for sure. I might even have ADHD. Many people in my life have suggested it, but I don’t think I do as I’ve done a few pre-screenings that don’t suggest ADHD to be true for me. What’s more likely is that I have CPTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder) from my very challenging upbringing, and many of the manifestations of CPTSD look like ADHD and/or autism.

Anyway, I appreciate the kind words and the conversation. Hope all is well for you these days as well. Neurodivergence of any kind can be really difficult to navigate.

That it can be. I try to focus on what I'm able to do and to create for myself. It sounds like you've managed to get back onto your despite some considerable hurdles. Keep going and don't be a stranger!

From the outside looking in it sounds like you’re doing okay for yourself. Good for you! And I appreciate the kind words. Trying my best out here. Ditto don’t be a stranger!!

[Harry Palmer]

IQ measures one kind of intelligence reasonably well, it’s just that it’s limited to one of many. I’d actually say IQ tests/scores have done more to reshape popular perception of what intellence is than they have to assess it.

[SharoneWright]

IQ measures one kind of intelligence reasonably well, it’s just that it’s limited to one of many. I’d actually say IQ tests/scores have done more to reshape popular perception of what intellence is than they have to assess it.

Only someone with an enormous IQ could flip the narrative on the IQ test with such percipience!

[OakleyDokely]

[YogurtProducer]

IQ measures one kind of intelligence reasonably well, it’s just that it’s limited to one of many. I’d actually say IQ tests/scores have done more to reshape popular perception of what intellence is than they have to assess it.

All IQ tests tell you is you are good at that specific type of test. It really does not mean anything at all

[Axe Dragon]

What is smart? Wouldn’t Michael Jordan and Lebron qualify as some of the smartest since they are the first to become billionaires?

Axe


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