**NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0**

[DayofMourning]

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier

One of these guys will be there at 15.

Rank them by preference.

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier The bolded RED remove. Make it a Big or Wing that will be available at that pick, I don't want anything to do with another small guard, if it hasn't been painstakingly obvious they don't generally ever have the upside to be a difference maker in a championship contender.

Shouldnt Topic be assigned to the small guard stratum?

Hes got an average wingspan at 6'5". Thats approximately the same as Collier and mildly better than McCain. His neck adds another inch or so to frame which is slightly abnormal and doesnt ADD to his size in my eyes.

[DayofMourning]

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier

One of these guys will be there at 15.

Rank them by preference.

That was also my rank by preference. Although McCain and Carter are tied for me. Collier the last.

Ive been slightly coming around on Collier. Hes got a legit skill, getting to the basket in a variety of ways. I watched a bit more of him and he looks like a guy who could add assists by having NBA level shooters around him. Draws FTs at a good rate. Im beginning to see a potential player if the psych stuff checks out.

[IceColdCubano]

Rank them by preference.

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier The bolded RED remove. Make it a Big or Wing that will be available at that pick, I don't want anything to do with another small guard, if it hasn't been painstakingly obvious they don't generally ever have the upside to be a difference maker in a championship contender.

Shouldnt Topic be assigned to the small guard stratum?

Hes got an average wingspan at 6'5". Thats approximately the same as Collier and mildly better than McCain. His neck adds another inch or so to frame which is slightly abnormal and doesnt ADD to his size in my eyes.

6'-7" is on the taller side for a PG in height for Topic, his wingspan measured at 6'-5 1/2", specifically a playmaker Archetype already exceeded the height requirement. McCain is a Shooter Archetype, and Collier is a scorer archetype, there's a bit more than just height. I was using small argument overall but there a couple more things you can dig down to. Topic prior to injury is rated top 5 pick, I don't know what were discussing here.

[DayofMourning]

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier The bolded RED remove. Make it a Big or Wing that will be available at that pick, I don't want anything to do with another small guard, if it hasn't been painstakingly obvious they don't generally ever have the upside to be a difference maker in a championship contender.

Shouldnt Topic be assigned to the small guard stratum?

Hes got an average wingspan at 6'5". Thats approximately the same as Collier and mildly better than McCain. His neck adds another inch or so to frame which is slightly abnormal and doesnt ADD to his size in my eyes.

6'-7" is on the taller side for a PG in height for Topic, his wingspan measured at 6'-5 1/2", specifically a playmaker Archetype already exceeded the height requirement. McCain is a Shooter Archetype, and Collier is a scorer archetype, there's a bit more than just height. I was using small argument overall but there a couple more things you can dig down to. Topic prior to injury is rated top 5 pick, I don't know what were discussing here.

Discussing his size ICC.

First mention of him being 6'7".

[DayofMourning]

Im interested in how the Heat will attempt to guage Wares physicality in workouts.

[IceColdCubano]

Im interested in how the Heat will attempt to guage Wares physicality in workouts.

From every single top scout Ive read about ware they say he has the highest upside of any of the kids this year if he puts it all together, but there's too much tape of him taking games off, not comiting on defense, and constantly getting corrected and missing rotations due to nothing more than laziness. The interviews and workouts could help calm some teams, but teams that value lots of information gathering like Miami, tend to shy away from those guys.

He would have to blow their literal socks off in the workouts, break any heat workout record, and looks like a 7ft version of Haslem on coke.

[DayofMourning]

Im interested in how the Heat will attempt to guage Wares physicality in workouts.

From every single top scout Ive read about ware they say he has the highest upside of any of the kids this year if he puts it all together, but there's too much tape of him taking games off, not comiting on defense, and constantly getting corrected and missing rotations due to nothing more than laziness. The interviews and workouts could help calm some teams, but teams that value lots of information gathering like Miami, tend to shy away from those guys.

He would have to blow their literal socks off in the workouts, break any heat workout record, and looks like a 7ft version of Haslem on coke.

He needs to get on a strength program badly. I want a big to play like one and Ive seen enough from Ware to see a need to get more physical and quickly.

I feel like Missi will likely lap him.

[eddieheatfan]

Im interested in how the Heat will attempt to guage Wares physicality in workouts.

From every single top scout Ive read about ware they say he has the highest upside of any of the kids this year if he puts it all together, but there's too much tape of him taking games off, not comiting on defense, and constantly getting corrected and missing rotations due to nothing more than laziness. The interviews and workouts could help calm some teams, but teams that value lots of information gathering like Miami, tend to shy away from those guys.

He would have to blow their literal socks off in the workouts, break any heat workout record, and looks like a 7ft version of Haslem on coke.

[DayofMourning]

Zach Edey averaged 29.3 points, 15.4 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 40 over the course of his 4 year college career.

[lastb1ckman]

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier

One of these guys will be there at 15.

Rank them by preference.

Topic, Carter, Collier, McCain

Topic has the most star potential, my only concern is his knees.
Carter is gonna be a killer, probably not a star but any team that gets him will love him
Collier, has star potential but his shooting is his swing skill, and I don't have much faith in his shot getting much better. He also has the lowest floor here
McCain, likely a decent nba player at the minimum, I just don't see ceiling higher than a good 6th man scorer off the bench.

[lastb1ckman]

Zach Edey averaged 29.3 points, 15.4 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per 40 over the course of his 4 year college career.

What's funny about that, is he actually played really high minutes for a guy his size. So that isn't a crazy increase from his actual stats. (No injuries either) As opposed to Clingan, who rarely played more than 25 min and has delt with multiple injuries.

[lastb1ckman]

Now that I think about it, it's crazy how healthy Edey is. When has there ever been guy over 7'2" that didn’t struggle with injuries in his career? I mean guys that play high minutes. I can't think of any. Edey has no major foot injures or any of the typical big guy booeymans.

[twix2500]

Topic/Carter/McCain/Collier

One of these guys will be there at 15.

Rank them by preference.

Topic, Carter, Collier, McCain

Topic has the most star potential, my only concern is his knees.
Carter is gonna be a killer, probably not a star but any team that gets him will love him
Collier, has star potential but his shooting is his swing skill, and I don't have much faith in his shot getting much better. He also has the lowest floor here
McCain, likely a decent nba player at the minimum, I just don't see ceiling higher than a good 6th man scorer off the bench.

Topic is a worse shooter than Collier. Not sure why Collier gets so much negativity for his shooting when half these lottery picks can't shoot

[twix2500]

Now that I think about it, it's crazy how healthy Edey is. When has there ever been guy over 7'2" that didn’t struggle with injuries in his career? I mean guys that play high minutes. I can't think of any. Edey has no major foot injures or any of the typical big guy booeymans.

Thank you for pointing out his health. That's been the numbee one problem with players his,size that he hasn't shown to be a problem. Ming and Bradley before him

[RexBoyWonder]

Rank them by preference.

Topic, Carter, Collier, McCain

Topic has the most star potential, my only concern is his knees.
Carter is gonna be a killer, probably not a star but any team that gets him will love him
Collier, has star potential but his shooting is his swing skill, and I don't have much faith in his shot getting much better. He also has the lowest floor here
McCain, likely a decent nba player at the minimum, I just don't see ceiling higher than a good 6th man scorer off the bench.

Topic is a worse shooter than Collier. Not sure why Collier gets so much negativity for his shooting when half these lottery picks can't shoot

Collier FT % is the reason for concern.

A PG of his size (actually any PG in today's game) has to be at least a decent 3 point shooter if you want to be above average at your position.

The shot looks OK mechanically, but free throws are usually a good indicator of future 3 point %. And Collier's is just weirdly struggling from the line.

For me if you trust the shot (I bet we ran him through every shooting workout possible in the workout) you take him. The handle and first step are real.

[twix2500]

I think there is a path to greatness for Edey if Spo can commit to build a scheme for a scoring post player.

Watch on YouTube

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[MiamiLoyal926]

I think there is a path to greatness for Edey if Spo can commit to build a scheme for a scoring post player.

Watch on YouTube

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His problem is that he only scores in the post!
He also is a 71% FT shooter…

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[lastb1ckman]

Rank them by preference.

Topic, Carter, Collier, McCain

Topic has the most star potential, my only concern is his knees.
Carter is gonna be a killer, probably not a star but any team that gets him will love him
Collier, has star potential but his shooting is his swing skill, and I don't have much faith in his shot getting much better. He also has the lowest floor here
McCain, likely a decent nba player at the minimum, I just don't see ceiling higher than a good 6th man scorer off the bench.

Topic is a worse shooter than Collier. Not sure why Collier gets so much negativity for his shooting when half these lottery picks can't shoot

FT percentage and form are the difference makers to me. Topic is at nearly 88% and Collier is at like 67%. 67% for a guard is bad. Especially for a guard that relies on drawing fouls so much.

Collier also has a more push shot like form and looks really stiff shooting, kinda like when a football player hoops lol.

[RexBoyWonder]

Collier shooting 3's :

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C67f_8Rt9qD/

Really not sure how come he's such a bad FT% shooter.

But if we plan on taking him we better find out, cause a guard that shoot is no bueno.

[twix2500]

Topic, Carter, Collier, McCain

Topic has the most star potential, my only concern is his knees.
Carter is gonna be a killer, probably not a star but any team that gets him will love him
Collier, has star potential but his shooting is his swing skill, and I don't have much faith in his shot getting much better. He also has the lowest floor here
McCain, likely a decent nba player at the minimum, I just don't see ceiling higher than a good 6th man scorer off the bench.

Topic is a worse shooter than Collier. Not sure why Collier gets so much negativity for his shooting when half these lottery picks can't shoot

FT percentage and form are the difference makers to me. Topic is at nearly 88% and Collier is at like 64%. 64% for a guard is bad. Especially for a guard that relies on drawing fouls so much.

Collier also has a more push shot like form and looks really stiff shooting, kinda like when a football player hoops lol.

Isaiah Collier shot 67% from the free throw and 33% from three.

Nikola Topic shot 86% from the free throw and 26% from three



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