Gary Trent Jr. - Fair Contract Offer?

[YogurtProducer]

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

You watched Precious for years. How can you possibly say he is better?

He's better defensively. Again, Precious can do what OG did for us. Guard the best player on the opposing team.

Precious CANNOT do what OG did for us. OG is a DPOY level defender. Precious is an inconsistent defender who can guard 1on1 and sucks in team concepts AND is not great offensively..

Precious was here for 2 years and had every opportunity to be a key player for us and he failed. He looked okay in NYK as a 5th option with no responsibilities offensively watching Brunson do everything which does not work in this offensive scheme.

[Jadoogar]

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

You watched Precious for years. How can you possibly say he is better?

He's better defensively. Again, Precious can do what OG did for us. Guard the best player on the opposing team.

you're underrating OG or overrating Precious (or both). Precious is physically blessed but he has no where close to OG's defensive instincts. OG is a top 3 perimeter defender in the league.

[Scase]

You watched Precious for years. How can you possibly say he is better?

He's better defensively. Again, Precious can do what OG did for us. Guard the best player on the opposing team.

you're underrating OG or overrating Precious (or both). Precious is physically blessed but he has no where close to OG's defensive instincts. OG is a top 3 perimeter defender in the league.

Not instincts, but rather intelligence. Otherwise, you are 100p correct.

If precious didn't have rocks for brains he would be getting paid 30-40mil/yr instead of barely getting minutes on the Knicks.

[ConSarnit]

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

I just can’t see it. He’s an offensive zero. He’s also not someone you’d want as a full time C. He’s a backup big with no offensive game. He’s not really a rim protector or roll threat so now he’s a 4 who can’t shoot. My bet is he maybe gets the room exception at around 3/24. Who are his contemporaries who are getting more than the MLE? Precious’ lack of improvement as a shooter has killed his chance at any starting level salary deal imo. The market for backup defensive bigs is one of the weakest in the league.

You're right, that if he could shoot the 3 at a decent clip, he would have got a massive deal. His best role defensively might actually be the role the Raps used OG in, as the POA defender. He is quick enough to guard most, and has the size to handle bigger wings.

I think the issue is if you play him in the OG role he destroys any chance of us having a good offense. Poeltl + Precious is terrible spacing. And if he can’t play with Poeltl he’s a 20mpg guy and that’s not worth anything near $18m.

My guess is they’ve completely moved on from Precious (or players of his ilk). He’s a bad fit in a ball movement environment because his bball iq is too low and he can’t shoot. This could be the case for Trent and Boucher as well, two guys who the ball sticks to when they get it.

[JB7]

You watched Precious for years. How can you possibly say he is better?

He's better defensively. Again, Precious can do what OG did for us. Guard the best player on the opposing team.

Precious CANNOT do what OG did for us. OG is a DPOY level defender. Precious is an inconsistent defender who can guard 1on1 and sucks in team concepts AND is not great offensively..

Precious was here for 2 years and had every opportunity to be a key player for us and he failed. He looked okay in NYK as a 5th option with no responsibilities offensively watching Brunson do everything which does not work in this offensive scheme.

Sorry, I meant, as I said early, a poor man's OG. Has the physical tools to do what OG does, just not the BBIQ. Problem with the Raps defensively now is they have traded away all their size/length and athleticism in OG, Pascal and Precious. If they could bring Precious back, then it is not all left to Barnes to be the go to defender all the time. Ochai can help, but he is not big enough to cover the bigger wings in the NBA.

[nikster]

I think of Precious as your poor man’s OG on D. He can guard pretty much 1-5, and gives the team another option as a defensive stopper outside of Barnes.

To avoid minutes with Yak and Precious out there, the team could try and play Precious in the minutes KO is on the floor.

While Precious is probably not worth the $18M, I just think he is a much better fit than GTJ, when the team already has RJ and Gradey in that role. The team’s D would be horrendous if GTJ and Gradey are on the floor together.

I don't think there's any amount of fit that makes Precious worth close to 18 million. Knicks were missing there starting forward all post season and Achiuwa was still getting DNPs until Robinson and OG went down. He's still a fringe rotation player

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

Okay you are too far gone on your evaluation of Precious.

You want to give credit to Achiuwa for being the 9th man on a good team and ignore that Bruce Brown was 6th man on a title run.

[JB7]

You watched Precious for years. How can you possibly say he is better?

He's better defensively. Again, Precious can do what OG did for us. Guard the best player on the opposing team.

you're underrating OG or overrating Precious (or both). Precious is physically blessed but he has no where close to OG's defensive instincts. OG is a top 3 perimeter defender in the league.

Sorry, as I said earlier, a poor man's OG. Definitely not OG. That's why OG is going to get paid near max money, while the best Precious could get is $14M to probably $18M.

[JB7]

I just can’t see it. He’s an offensive zero. He’s also not someone you’d want as a full time C. He’s a backup big with no offensive game. He’s not really a rim protector or roll threat so now he’s a 4 who can’t shoot. My bet is he maybe gets the room exception at around 3/24. Who are his contemporaries who are getting more than the MLE? Precious’ lack of improvement as a shooter has killed his chance at any starting level salary deal imo. The market for backup defensive bigs is one of the weakest in the league.

You're right, that if he could shoot the 3 at a decent clip, he would have got a massive deal. His best role defensively might actually be the role the Raps used OG in, as the POA defender. He is quick enough to guard most, and has the size to handle bigger wings.

I think the issue is if you play him in the OG role he destroys any chance of us having a good offense. Poeltl + Precious is terrible spacing. And if he can’t play with Poeltl he’s a 20mpg guy and that’s not worth anything near $18m.

My guess is they’ve completely moved on from Precious (or players of his ilk). He’s a bad fit in a ball movement environment because his bball iq is too low and he can’t shoot. This could be the case for Trent and Boucher as well, two guys who the ball sticks to when they get it.

You hope with maturity, he might develop more BBIQ, but I could see him play more off the bench with Olynyk, who would provide spacing, and Precious would help compensate for Kelly's lack of D. So minimal minutes with Yak. Yak only averages 26-27 mins a game. His highest average was 29mins a game, one season with SAS.

[ConSarnit]

You're right, that if he could shoot the 3 at a decent clip, he would have got a massive deal. His best role defensively might actually be the role the Raps used OG in, as the POA defender. He is quick enough to guard most, and has the size to handle bigger wings.

I think the issue is if you play him in the OG role he destroys any chance of us having a good offense. Poeltl + Precious is terrible spacing. And if he can’t play with Poeltl he’s a 20mpg guy and that’s not worth anything near $18m.

My guess is they’ve completely moved on from Precious (or players of his ilk). He’s a bad fit in a ball movement environment because his bball iq is too low and he can’t shoot. This could be the case for Trent and Boucher as well, two guys who the ball sticks to when they get it.

You hope with maturity, he might develop more BBIQ, but I could see him play more off the bench with Olynyk, who would provide spacing, and Precious would help compensate for Kelly's lack of D. So minimal minutes with Yak. Yak only averages 26-27 mins a game. His highest average was 29mins a game, one season with SAS.

Ok, but who is an offensively challenged 20mpg bench big who is making anything close to $18m?

[JB7]

I don't think there's any amount of fit that makes Precious worth close to 18 million. Knicks were missing there starting forward all post season and Achiuwa was still getting DNPs until Robinson and OG went down. He's still a fringe rotation player

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

Okay you are too far gone on your evaluation of Precious.

You want to give credit to Achiuwa for being the 9th man on a good team and ignore that Bruce Brown was 6th man on a title run.

Brown was the 6th man on a team with an amazing starting 5, and one of the best players of all time in Jokic.

Brown is a hustle guy. He worked very well playing off of Jokic because of all the attention Jokic would draw.

Without those stars, Brown is an average to below average player. Why I see Precious as a better option than Brown or GTJ, is all about the potential D he could provide. Raps need length/size to guard some of the bigger wings in the league. Brown is just a bit to undersized to do that.

[JB7]

I think the issue is if you play him in the OG role he destroys any chance of us having a good offense. Poeltl + Precious is terrible spacing. And if he can’t play with Poeltl he’s a 20mpg guy and that’s not worth anything near $18m.

My guess is they’ve completely moved on from Precious (or players of his ilk). He’s a bad fit in a ball movement environment because his bball iq is too low and he can’t shoot. This could be the case for Trent and Boucher as well, two guys who the ball sticks to when they get it.

You hope with maturity, he might develop more BBIQ, but I could see him play more off the bench with Olynyk, who would provide spacing, and Precious would help compensate for Kelly's lack of D. So minimal minutes with Yak. Yak only averages 26-27 mins a game. His highest average was 29mins a game, one season with SAS.

Ok, but who is an offensively challenged 20mpg bench big who is making anything close to $18m?

IH is going to get paid well this summer.

[Jadoogar]

You hope with maturity, he might develop more BBIQ, but I could see him play more off the bench with Olynyk, who would provide spacing, and Precious would help compensate for Kelly's lack of D. So minimal minutes with Yak. Yak only averages 26-27 mins a game. His highest average was 29mins a game, one season with SAS.

Ok, but who is an offensively challenged 20mpg bench big who is making anything close to $18m?

IH is going to get paid well this summer.

Hartenstein is considerably taller than Precious (actually able to play at center for long stretches) and he's a lot better offensively. IH could start on many teams, he's not strictly a bench player.

[PhilBlackson]

Let him walk or S&T.

[nikster]

Just like OG is going to get massively overpaid this summer, I would not be shocked if Precious also gets overpaid as well, because he has the size and athleticism to mirror OG. Just not the BBIQ. He was a fringe rotation player on probably the 2nd best team in the East. The Raps are not that, and he could be a rotation player on their team. Probably better than either Bruce or GTJ.

Okay you are too far gone on your evaluation of Precious.

You want to give credit to Achiuwa for being the 9th man on a good team and ignore that Bruce Brown was 6th man on a title run.

Brown was the 6th man on a team with an amazing starting 5, and one of the best players of all time in Jokic.

Brown is a hustle guy. He worked very well playing off of Jokic because of all the attention Jokic would draw.

Without those stars, Brown is an average to below average player. Why I see Precious as a better option than Brown or GTJ, is all about the potential D he could provide. Raps need length/size to guard some of the bigger wings in the league. Brown is just a bit to undersized to do that.

Even if he's not a true 6th man he's a proven role player on a title team. And this year he was starting and playing 30 minutes a game on a good team (with basically identical production to last years post season).

Yeah Browns's an average to below average player. Achiuwa is just bad. He was glued to the bench for a team missing their starting power forward.