Sac - Phx - Wash - Dallas

[LightTheBeam]

Inspired by Godaddy thread today, usually hate 4 teamers. (Nate will hate this) Looking at what PJ, White, Gordon went for in recent years, this feels closer to me than #13 IMO.

Sac out: Barnes OR Huerter, Colby, Mitchell, Portland 2nd, 2 future Kings 2nds
Sac in: Kuzma, Little

Dallas out: THJ, OMax
Dallas in: Barnes OR Huerter

Phx out: Little, 22
PHX in: Mitchell, Portland 2nd

Washington out: Kuzma
Washington in: THJ, Colby, OMax, 22, 2 future Sac 2nds

Sac adds a bunch of little pieces + eats Little to get Kuzma

Dallas Rids themselves of THJ, adds another piece. I like Barnes here, he's got some ability to get a bucket, get fts, or hit a solid corner 3. Replacement if they do lose DJJ.

PHX gets a better player and moves back a little into next years draft.

Washington moves Kuzma for an expiring, 2 decent but not great prospects, a pick in the 20s, and 2 future 2nds.

[mhd]

Inspired by Godaddy thread today, usually hate 4 teamers. (Nate will hate this) but looking at recent deals I think this might be more in line with Kuzmas true value -

Sac out: Barnes OR Huerter, Colby, Mitchell, Portland 2nd, 2 future Kings 2nds
Sac in: Kuzma, Little

Dallas out: THJ, OMax
Dallas in: Barnes OR Huerter

Phx out: Little, 22
PHX in: Mitchell, Portland 2nd

Washington out: Kuzma
Washington in: THJ, Colby, OMax, 22, 2 future Sac 2nds

Sac adds a bunch of little pieces + eats Little to get Kuzma

Dallas Rids themselves of THJ, adds another piece. I like Barnes here, he's got some ability to get a bucket, get fts, or hit a solid corner 3. Replacement if they do lose DJJ.

PHX gets a better player and moves back a little into next years draft.

Washington moves Kuzma for an expiring, 2 decent but not great prospects, a pick in the 20s, and 2 future 2nds. Looking at what PJ, White, Gordon went for in recent years, this feels closer to me than #13 IMO.

Absolutely zero interest from the Wizards. They already have a million future 2nds from the recent trades since the new FO came aboard. The 22nd pick in this draft means nothing considering they already have 26. If they can't get a decent first rounder for Kuzma, they'll just keep him and wait till more teams become desperate for a win now vet. PJ netted a top 2 protected first in 2027. That's a better lotto ticket than the 22nd pick in this crappy draft. Prosper hasn't shown anything in the NBA to warrant anything other than a flyer. He's worth as much as the Wizards own bust Johnny Davis is.

[Texas Chuck]

My issue with the Dallas portion of this is the timing. If I knew Jones was gone, while I wouldn't love this, I wouldn't hate it either(would take Harry Barnes). But the trade becomes Jones, THJ/Prosper for Barnes and I don't think that moves Dallas forward.

I'd also be pretty tempted at that point to simply add in a future 1st and take Kuzma for the little Mavs if he's going at that price. Again if Kuz is now on board with Dallas. He didn't want to come at the deadline and if his priority is a primary offensive role he's not going to be onboard still. If the issue was more he didn't see Dallas as a serious contender(and I believe they were in 8th place at the time so not unreasonable) but now obviously he sees them in the Finals..

I still don't love the Suns part of this. And think the Kings are benefiting from Dallas and Phoenix being here so they aren't giving up a single notable asset to upgrade to Kuz.

[LightTheBeam]

My issue with the Dallas portion of this is the timing. If I knew Jones was gone, while I wouldn't love this, I wouldn't hate it either(would take Harry Barnes). But the trade becomes Jones, THJ/Prosper for Barnes and I don't think that moves Dallas forward.

I'd also be pretty tempted at that point to simply add in a future 1st and take Kuzma for the little Mavs if he's going at that price. Again if Kuz is now on board with Dallas. He didn't want to come at the deadline and if his priority is a primary offensive role he's not going to be onboard still. If the issue was more he didn't see Dallas as a serious contender(and I believe they were in 8th place at the time so not unreasonable) but now obviously he sees them in the Finals..

I still don't love the Suns part of this. And think the Kings are benefiting from Dallas and Phoenix being here so they aren't giving up a single notable asset to upgrade to Kuz.

I can understand that. I was operating under the assumption Kuzma doesn't want to be in Dallas, if his opinion has changed for sure Dallas and Washington cut Sac out.

How much salary does Dallas need to dump to keep DJJ? Has his demands maybe decreased the last few weeks?

Does sending Kleber to Sac and Little to Dallas open up the necessary cap space to keep DJJ?

Luka - Kyrie - Barnes - PJ - Lively
Exum - Green - DJJ - Gafford

I like that a lot, not sure if that changes your opinion.

As for the PHX part, I didn't know how to feel about it either, but It was suggested in the other thread so I ran with it.

[Texas Chuck]

Does sending Kleber to Sac and Little to Dallas open up the necessary cap space to keep DJJ?

I like that a lot, not sure if that changes your opinion.

Saves money but creates yet another hole as Kleber is the backup PF and gives them a different look at center. Dallas continues to lose talent. And it doesn't really save more money than just including Dwight Powell who is totally out of the rotation.

I don't know what Jones will cost, but I think Dallas probably has to be prepared he will get a full MLE deal. It would be awesome if he could be had for the TMLE, but I don't feel like I can safely assume that. Depends really on if other teams think he uniquely works in Dallas.

[Crives]

What’s Davion Mitchel worth? Feels like he has really fallen off.

[LightTheBeam]

Does sending Kleber to Sac and Little to Dallas open up the necessary cap space to keep DJJ?

I like that a lot, not sure if that changes your opinion.

Saves money but creates yet another hole as Kleber is the backup PF and gives them a different look at center. Dallas continues to lose talent. And it doesn't really save more money than just including Dwight Powell who is totally out of the rotation.

I don't know what Jones will cost, but I think Dallas probably has to be prepared he will get a full MLE deal. It would be awesome if he could be had for the TMLE, but I don't feel like I can safely assume that. Depends really on if other teams think he uniquely works in Dallas.

Ahhh again, not sure if that opens it up, but I think Powell would work as a Len replacement.

Dwight and Little to Sac, Kleber stays in Dallas. Again no idea if this makes it possible, but -

Luka - Kyrie - Barnes - PJ - Lively
Exum - Green - DJJ - Kleber - Gafford

Again obviously based on it being legal for Dallas to afford DJJ, and still having to navigate Washington/Phx portion of this deal.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah Dallas would owe the Kings something for taking back Powell, but it certainly helps the deal a bit for Dallas.

[nate33]

(Nate will hate this)

It all boils down to what is a reasonable expected return for Kuzma. I think it's inevitable that the Wizards will trade Kuzma within the year, either right now, at the Trade Deadline, or next summer. They're going to seek the best return they can get.

I happen to think they can do better than this. If I'm wrong and if this is the best they can do, then sure, I'd do it. Any return is better than keeping Kuzma for the duration of his contract when he clearly isn't on the same timeline as the rebuilding Wizards. I just don't think I'm wrong. I think a versatile multi-tool big wing on a good contract with good health is worth more than a late FRP in a terrible draft.

5 seasons ago, Kuzma was good enough to be fifth in total minutes and 5th in total playoff minutes on a championship team. The year after that, he was second in total minutes for a 43-30 team (49-win pace if a full 82-game season). Kuzma is right now a better player than he was back then as evidenced by his significantly higher usage without any loss in efficiency. I think he is at worst, the 4th best player on a quality playoff team, and maybe the 3rd best player. Guys like that, when paid just $21M a year, are worth more than one late FRP. (Technically, he will get a trade kicker unless he waives it, so make that $24M a year.)

[TGW]

The Wizards say no. This is a light return.

[Apz]

Inspired by Godaddy thread today, usually hate 4 teamers. (Nate will hate this) Looking at what PJ, White, Gordon went for in recent years, this feels closer to me than #13 IMO.

Sac out: Barnes OR Huerter, Colby, Mitchell, Portland 2nd, 2 future Kings 2nds
Sac in: Kuzma, Little

Dallas out: THJ, OMax
Dallas in: Barnes OR Huerter

Phx out: Little, 22
PHX in: Mitchell, Portland 2nd

Washington out: Kuzma
Washington in: THJ, Colby, OMax, 22, 2 future Sac 2nds

Sac adds a bunch of little pieces + eats Little to get Kuzma

Dallas Rids themselves of THJ, adds another piece. I like Barnes here, he's got some ability to get a bucket, get fts, or hit a solid corner 3. Replacement if they do lose DJJ.

PHX gets a better player and moves back a little into next years draft.

Washington moves Kuzma for an expiring, 2 decent but not great prospects, a pick in the 20s, and 2 future 2nds.

Dont get it. How foes barnes replace djj? Did he find a timemachine and special diet so he now can defend pgs?

[BeiBeau]

My issue with the Dallas portion of this is the timing. If I knew Jones was gone, while I wouldn't love this, I wouldn't hate it either(would take Harry Barnes). But the trade becomes Jones, THJ/Prosper for Barnes and I don't think that moves Dallas forward.

I'd also be pretty tempted at that point to simply add in a future 1st and take Kuzma for the little Mavs if he's going at that price. Again if Kuz is now on board with Dallas. He didn't want to come at the deadline and if his priority is a primary offensive role he's not going to be onboard still. If the issue was more he didn't see Dallas as a serious contender(and I believe they were in 8th place at the time so not unreasonable) but now obviously he sees them in the Finals..

I still don't love the Suns part of this. And think the Kings are benefiting from Dallas and Phoenix being here so they aren't giving up a single notable asset to upgrade to Kuz.

If Kuzma wants to play winning again it may just be best for Dallas to go grab him and let DJJ walk. Would love to have DJJ back but the shooting and offensive woes of the current Mavs are an important issue to address.

[Apz]

My issue with the Dallas portion of this is the timing. If I knew Jones was gone, while I wouldn't love this, I wouldn't hate it either(would take Harry Barnes). But the trade becomes Jones, THJ/Prosper for Barnes and I don't think that moves Dallas forward.

I'd also be pretty tempted at that point to simply add in a future 1st and take Kuzma for the little Mavs if he's going at that price. Again if Kuz is now on board with Dallas. He didn't want to come at the deadline and if his priority is a primary offensive role he's not going to be onboard still. If the issue was more he didn't see Dallas as a serious contender(and I believe they were in 8th place at the time so not unreasonable) but now obviously he sees them in the Finals..

I still don't love the Suns part of this. And think the Kings are benefiting from Dallas and Phoenix being here so they aren't giving up a single notable asset to upgrade to Kuz.

If Kuzma wants to play winning again it may just be best for Dallas to go grab him and let DJJ walk. Would love to have DJJ back but the shooting and offensive woes of the current Mavs are an important issue to address.

Daeoneandonly would love if we replace djj with kuzma and have start green cause he is the best we have to guard oppositions best pg

[daoneandonly]

My issue with the Dallas portion of this is the timing. If I knew Jones was gone, while I wouldn't love this, I wouldn't hate it either(would take Harry Barnes). But the trade becomes Jones, THJ/Prosper for Barnes and I don't think that moves Dallas forward.

I'd also be pretty tempted at that point to simply add in a future 1st and take Kuzma for the little Mavs if he's going at that price. Again if Kuz is now on board with Dallas. He didn't want to come at the deadline and if his priority is a primary offensive role he's not going to be onboard still. If the issue was more he didn't see Dallas as a serious contender(and I believe they were in 8th place at the time so not unreasonable) but now obviously he sees them in the Finals..

I still don't love the Suns part of this. And think the Kings are benefiting from Dallas and Phoenix being here so they aren't giving up a single notable asset to upgrade to Kuz.

If Kuzma wants to play winning again it may just be best for Dallas to go grab him and let DJJ walk. Would love to have DJJ back but the shooting and offensive woes of the current Mavs are an important issue to address.

Daeoneandonly would love if we replace djj with kuzma and have start green cause he is the best we have to guard oppositions best pg

I may have to give up on a true love of mine in watching basketball if Dallas has both Kuzma and Green on the roster while guys like KP and Brunson thrive.

[jredsaz]

What’s Davion Mitchel worth? Feels like he has really fallen off.

That’s where I get stuck. Not sure he is worth this pic and if he is worth this value the Suns need size on their bench with Book, Beal and Allen already on the roster.

[hcsilla]

The Suns decline. The last year of Mitchell's rookie contract is not worth #22.

I can see the Suns add some future 2nds to the Mitchell-Little swap, but not #22.

[OxAndFox]

The Suns decline. The last year of Mitchell's rookie contract is not worth #22.

I can see the Suns add some future 2nds to the Mitchell-Little swap, but not #22.

You realise it's not Davion for #22 right?
You get to dump Little for an expiring while only dropping from #22 to '25 Port 2nd which looks likely being #31-35 next season. It's crazy good value for the Suns.

If Phoenix is declining this deal I would think its because of the fact they don't need another smaller guard.