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Post#1861 » by DG88 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:39 pm

From Eric Koreen at the Athletic.

With that in mind, let’s learn the six players most likely to become Raptors by the end of next week’s draft. We will start with guards today, and move on to wings and bigs later in the week. (A special thanks to The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie, whose work on prospect scouting is invaluable to readers and colleagues alike.)

Isaiah Collier | Southern California | 19 years old
6-foot-4 | 210 pounds | Freshman
16.3 points per game | 4.9 assists per game | 49.0 field goal percentage


Collier is the guard with the highest upside who could fall to the Raptors. He is an athletic beast who routinely tries to put pressure on the rim. Most of his creation for others comes from the ability to draw help defenders in the paint. He is very strong for such a young player, and strength usually improves as a player moves toward his mid-20s.

Unlike recent Raptors point guards, Collier is excellent at finishing at the rim thanks to his athleticism. That should open up more passes to him, and make them easier, too.

Given he’s a freshman, Collier’s game needs refinement. He is turnover-prone and his defence, which could be a positive down the road, was not good for USC this year. His shooting is inconsistent, and he doesn’t see the floor excellently if he doesn’t get to the rim. Presumably, a lot of that stuff could come with time.

Raptors fit: The Raptors hope Immanuel Quickley and Dick fill their backcourt for a long time. They need depth beyond them, especially if Gary Trent Jr. and Bruce Brown leave this summer. Collier represents one of the bigger swings the Raptors could take on pure talent, should he fall to 19.

On the other hand, he doesn’t play with enough control that he would automatically raise the floor for the Raptors’ reserves. It would likely take a while for him to thrive within Darko Rajaković’s offensive system, given he is not a developed shooter and is used to having the ball in his hands.

Jared McCain | Duke | 20
6-3 | 200 lbs. | freshman
14.3 PPG | 1.9 APG | 41.4 3-point percentage


He’s more of an off guard than a point guard, but McCain can shoot well. He is one of the best pure shooters in the class. He will probably be gone before the 19th pick, but his size at least makes it possible that he will slide.

In a perfect world, McCain would develop his playmaking skills and turn into a combo guard. He is not that yet — you see the assist totals — but at least he showed he can make passes in sets run for him. He won’t be an offensive initiator early in his career, but he could grow into that role.

He is a high-character player, and that often translates into being a better defender than projected. McCain’s combine measurements say it will be a challenge to become a good defender. His wingspan is just 6-3.5.

Raptors fit: In the short term, he would make sense in hybrid lineups with Barnes as the de facto point guard. Playing him with Quickley would be a tough ask right now, except in offense-first lineups in comeback situations.

He doesn’t have as high of a ceiling as Collier, but his shooting likely locks him into being an effective scorer off the bench at worst.

Ja’Kobe Walter | Baylor | 19
6-foot-4 | 198 lbs.| freshman
14.5 PPG | 1.4 APG | 37.6 FG percentage


Like McCain, he’s more of a shooting guard than a point guard at this stage. He has more size than his fellow freshman, though. He did not have an efficient season, but that is partly because he took difficult shots regularly within Baylor’s offense.

Walter has a 6-foot-10 wingspan, which should allow him to be an impactful defender once he adds more muscle. Still, he has a better chance to be a plus on offense, due to his polished footwork and movement, than on defense.

He will have to iron out his shot selection in the NBA. Moving down in the offensive pecking order should allow him to do that, but he is not super athletic, making getting to the rim a challenge.

Raptors fit: His length alone makes him a possibility for the Raptors. Sure, the team’s defensive philosophy has changed since Nick Nurse’s departure, but his wingspan will make up for some of his athletic shortcomings. He understands team defence well, which could get him on the floor even if he would be targeted on the ball.

I worry more about his offensive fit, even if that is where more of his upside lies. Any player who relies as much as Walter did on long 2s is going to have to get that out of his system in the NBA. Doing that while the game is speeding up could be problematic, therefore making him more of a long-term project than he appears to be at first glance.

Crucially, he would allow me to buy a name-appropriate jersey for my dog.

Ajay Mitchell | California-Santa Barbara | 22
6-3 | 200 lbs. | junior
20.0 PPG | 4.0 APG | 39.3 3-point percentage


Mitchell is one of the more polished point guards in this part of the draft, a potential backup on opening night. Unsurprisingly as a college junior, his game is much more developed than the three freshmen above him. He has counters when his initial moves are stopped, and can excel in the areas where defenses try to funnel players.

His shooting is a big question mark. He was good from deep this year, but he lived in the high 20s and low 30s in his first two seasons. He has been efficient from other areas throughout his career, but the 3-point shot is new and therefore not guaranteed to stick.

He doesn’t have the burst Collier does. He has very good size for his position, but will have to use that and his smarts rather than his speed and leaping to make things work in the NBA. If his shot doesn’t come around, that would really limit his offensive ceiling.

Raptors fit: Mitchell’s shot is the thing. If he can hang in the mid-to-high 30s, he is a legitimate prospect, and has the size and smarts to be a really good third guard for the Raptors. If not, he could wash out of the league.

His intelligence should allow him to thrive in a structured setting, so I think Mitchell could catch on pretty quickly to what the Raptors want to do on both ends. Plus he was raised in Belgium, which means more stories about international basketball. Yay!

He’d make a ton of sense at 31, less at 19.

Jamal Shead | Houston | 21
6-0 | 201 lbs. | senior
12.9 PPG | 6.3 APG | 40.9 FG percentage


He is a human lightning bolt, using his speed on both ends — to create for his teammates and eliminate space for his opponents. He has fan-favorite potential.

He’s also small. He was great defensively in college, but he might not be able to overcome his size playing against bigger players more regularly. He is not a 3-point shooter, which will hurt his ability to be as much of a maestro in the NBA as he was in college.

Even without a jumper, he is excellent at using screens. The NBA will force him to develop more of an in-between game, but he can slow down when necessary to allow a play to develop.

Raptors fit: Shead has some shades of Fred VanVleet and very different shades of Markquis Nowell. His soft skills — leadership, confidence, experience — make him a natural Raptors fit.

His size and lack of shooting put him at a great risk of washing out, though, or maybe having an Ish Smith-type journeyman career. The latter is a good outcome for the 31st pick in what is considered a weak draft, but the Raptors are at a point where they need to swing a bit harder. I’d be surprised, if not shocked, if he ends up in Toronto.

Cam Spencer | Connecticut | 24
6-4 | 205 lbs. | senior
18.9 PPG | 3.2 APG | 35.3 3-point percentage


He’s an older prospect, but he’s a winner. He has every soft skill you would want from a player, including a willingness to talk trash, apparently. He is a good decision-maker. He is a good shooter, with last year representing his floor.

On the downside, to be blunt: He’s old, small and not athletic. Spencer would be the opposite of an upside pick. His shooting could help him stick, but considering he is not a pure point guard, he would be a complicated fit for any team.

He will be picked on defensively. With both Connecticut and Rutgers beforehand, he was a part of great defences, but that had more to do with the players around him than his own play. He plays hard, but that is not as much of the battle in the NBA as it is in college.

Raptors fit: I love the idea of Spencer at the end of the Raptors’ roster. This roster doesn’t have a lot of swagger, and I think Spencer’s toughness and confidence would be important elements to help the franchise regain some of that lost lustre.

He might not be a good enough athlete or big enough to hang. I would love him on a 2-way contract, but I think you have to go a bit bigger with the picks the Raptors have. If they add another late second-rounder? Sure.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5565553/2024/06/17/raptors-isaiah-collier-nba-draft/
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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#1862 » by Indeed » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:43 pm

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elmer_yuck wrote:Edey will go in the lottery.
I would not be at all surprised if he went #1.
Are Sarr, Ridacher, Buzelis, Salaun really that good, or is everyone just following the crowd in projecting then at the top of the draft?


The latter part. Dwane Casey was on Raptors Tonight and he talked about how scouts and GM’s are scared to go against the consensus in fear of being wrong. So there are likely people out there who think Edey should go #1 but won’t speak up and say it.


I think the way teams are doing workouts and extend their scouting teams, it may no longer be a problem against consensus. Meanwhile, with more video coverage in college, many non-professional can do their scouting as well, so the consensus is more accurate.
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Post#1863 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:53 pm

C_Money wrote:
elmer_yuck wrote:Edey will go in the lottery.
I would not be at all surprised if he went #1.
Are Sarr, Ridacher, Buzelis, Salaun really that good, or is everyone just following the crowd in projecting then at the top of the draft?


The latter part. Dwane Casey was on Raptors Tonight and he talked about how scouts and GM’s are scared to go against the consensus in fear of being wrong. So there are likely people out there who think Edey should go #1 but won’t speak up and say it.


Russillo said the same on a pod a week or so ago. He spoke to some teams and they said their top 3-5 looks very different than the mocks this year, specifically calling out "the french guys". He mentioned that usually, it's one thing to have a different lottery order on your big board when you don't have a lottery pick, but it's another to go widely against consensus in those situations because the owners also see the mocks and if you mess up by going against everyone, the owner starts side-eyeing you. However, in this draft, he thinks everything is so flat that we'll see a lot more diversions against the mocks.
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Post#1864 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:03 pm

the guy who posted about Edey's 3 pt numbers and how his workout was a display of "child abuse" deleted his post

sounds like someone from the organization might have asked him to take it down TBH
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Post#1865 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:06 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:the guy who posted about Edey's 3 pt numbers and how his workout was a display of "child abuse" deleted his post

sounds like someone from the organization might have asked him to take it down TBH


prob mods lol
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Post#1866 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:09 pm

DG88 wrote:From Eric Koreen at the Athletic.

With that in mind, let’s learn the six players most likely to become Raptors by the end of next week’s draft. We will start with guards today, and move on to wings and bigs later in the week. (A special thanks to The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie, whose work on prospect scouting is invaluable to readers and colleagues alike.)

Isaiah Collier | Southern California | 19 years old
6-foot-4 | 210 pounds | Freshman
16.3 points per game | 4.9 assists per game | 49.0 field goal percentage


Collier is the guard with the highest upside who could fall to the Raptors. He is an athletic beast who routinely tries to put pressure on the rim. Most of his creation for others comes from the ability to draw help defenders in the paint. He is very strong for such a young player, and strength usually improves as a player moves toward his mid-20s.

Unlike recent Raptors point guards, Collier is excellent at finishing at the rim thanks to his athleticism. That should open up more passes to him, and make them easier, too.

Given he’s a freshman, Collier’s game needs refinement. He is turnover-prone and his defence, which could be a positive down the road, was not good for USC this year. His shooting is inconsistent, and he doesn’t see the floor excellently if he doesn’t get to the rim. Presumably, a lot of that stuff could come with time.

Raptors fit: The Raptors hope Immanuel Quickley and Dick fill their backcourt for a long time. They need depth beyond them, especially if Gary Trent Jr. and Bruce Brown leave this summer. Collier represents one of the bigger swings the Raptors could take on pure talent, should he fall to 19.

On the other hand, he doesn’t play with enough control that he would automatically raise the floor for the Raptors’ reserves. It would likely take a while for him to thrive within Darko Rajaković’s offensive system, given he is not a developed shooter and is used to having the ball in his hands.

Jared McCain | Duke | 20
6-3 | 200 lbs. | freshman
14.3 PPG | 1.9 APG | 41.4 3-point percentage


He’s more of an off guard than a point guard, but McCain can shoot well. He is one of the best pure shooters in the class. He will probably be gone before the 19th pick, but his size at least makes it possible that he will slide.

In a perfect world, McCain would develop his playmaking skills and turn into a combo guard. He is not that yet — you see the assist totals — but at least he showed he can make passes in sets run for him. He won’t be an offensive initiator early in his career, but he could grow into that role.

He is a high-character player, and that often translates into being a better defender than projected. McCain’s combine measurements say it will be a challenge to become a good defender. His wingspan is just 6-3.5.

Raptors fit: In the short term, he would make sense in hybrid lineups with Barnes as the de facto point guard. Playing him with Quickley would be a tough ask right now, except in offense-first lineups in comeback situations.

He doesn’t have as high of a ceiling as Collier, but his shooting likely locks him into being an effective scorer off the bench at worst.

Ja’Kobe Walter | Baylor | 19
6-foot-4 | 198 lbs.| freshman
14.5 PPG | 1.4 APG | 37.6 FG percentage


Like McCain, he’s more of a shooting guard than a point guard at this stage. He has more size than his fellow freshman, though. He did not have an efficient season, but that is partly because he took difficult shots regularly within Baylor’s offense.

Walter has a 6-foot-10 wingspan, which should allow him to be an impactful defender once he adds more muscle. Still, he has a better chance to be a plus on offense, due to his polished footwork and movement, than on defense.

He will have to iron out his shot selection in the NBA. Moving down in the offensive pecking order should allow him to do that, but he is not super athletic, making getting to the rim a challenge.

Raptors fit: His length alone makes him a possibility for the Raptors. Sure, the team’s defensive philosophy has changed since Nick Nurse’s departure, but his wingspan will make up for some of his athletic shortcomings. He understands team defence well, which could get him on the floor even if he would be targeted on the ball.

I worry more about his offensive fit, even if that is where more of his upside lies. Any player who relies as much as Walter did on long 2s is going to have to get that out of his system in the NBA. Doing that while the game is speeding up could be problematic, therefore making him more of a long-term project than he appears to be at first glance.

Crucially, he would allow me to buy a name-appropriate jersey for my dog.

Ajay Mitchell | California-Santa Barbara | 22
6-3 | 200 lbs. | junior
20.0 PPG | 4.0 APG | 39.3 3-point percentage


Mitchell is one of the more polished point guards in this part of the draft, a potential backup on opening night. Unsurprisingly as a college junior, his game is much more developed than the three freshmen above him. He has counters when his initial moves are stopped, and can excel in the areas where defenses try to funnel players.

His shooting is a big question mark. He was good from deep this year, but he lived in the high 20s and low 30s in his first two seasons. He has been efficient from other areas throughout his career, but the 3-point shot is new and therefore not guaranteed to stick.

He doesn’t have the burst Collier does. He has very good size for his position, but will have to use that and his smarts rather than his speed and leaping to make things work in the NBA. If his shot doesn’t come around, that would really limit his offensive ceiling.

Raptors fit: Mitchell’s shot is the thing. If he can hang in the mid-to-high 30s, he is a legitimate prospect, and has the size and smarts to be a really good third guard for the Raptors. If not, he could wash out of the league.

His intelligence should allow him to thrive in a structured setting, so I think Mitchell could catch on pretty quickly to what the Raptors want to do on both ends. Plus he was raised in Belgium, which means more stories about international basketball. Yay!

He’d make a ton of sense at 31, less at 19.

Jamal Shead | Houston | 21
6-0 | 201 lbs. | senior
12.9 PPG | 6.3 APG | 40.9 FG percentage


He is a human lightning bolt, using his speed on both ends — to create for his teammates and eliminate space for his opponents. He has fan-favorite potential.

He’s also small. He was great defensively in college, but he might not be able to overcome his size playing against bigger players more regularly. He is not a 3-point shooter, which will hurt his ability to be as much of a maestro in the NBA as he was in college.

Even without a jumper, he is excellent at using screens. The NBA will force him to develop more of an in-between game, but he can slow down when necessary to allow a play to develop.

Raptors fit: Shead has some shades of Fred VanVleet and very different shades of Markquis Nowell. His soft skills — leadership, confidence, experience — make him a natural Raptors fit.

His size and lack of shooting put him at a great risk of washing out, though, or maybe having an Ish Smith-type journeyman career. The latter is a good outcome for the 31st pick in what is considered a weak draft, but the Raptors are at a point where they need to swing a bit harder. I’d be surprised, if not shocked, if he ends up in Toronto.

Cam Spencer | Connecticut | 24
6-4 | 205 lbs. | senior
18.9 PPG | 3.2 APG | 35.3 3-point percentage


He’s an older prospect, but he’s a winner. He has every soft skill you would want from a player, including a willingness to talk trash, apparently. He is a good decision-maker. He is a good shooter, with last year representing his floor.

On the downside, to be blunt: He’s old, small and not athletic. Spencer would be the opposite of an upside pick. His shooting could help him stick, but considering he is not a pure point guard, he would be a complicated fit for any team.

He will be picked on defensively. With both Connecticut and Rutgers beforehand, he was a part of great defences, but that had more to do with the players around him than his own play. He plays hard, but that is not as much of the battle in the NBA as it is in college.

Raptors fit: I love the idea of Spencer at the end of the Raptors’ roster. This roster doesn’t have a lot of swagger, and I think Spencer’s toughness and confidence would be important elements to help the franchise regain some of that lost lustre.

He might not be a good enough athlete or big enough to hang. I would love him on a 2-way contract, but I think you have to go a bit bigger with the picks the Raptors have. If they add another late second-rounder? Sure.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5565553/2024/06/17/raptors-isaiah-collier-nba-draft/


Collier is a beast. Forget his numbers in college for a minute; he has the skills to potentially excel in the league - he just needs time and development to put it together. High risk/high reward. I think his floor is similar to Norman Powell (combo guard off the bench).
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Post#1867 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:18 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:the guy who posted about Edey's 3 pt numbers and how his workout was a display of "child abuse" deleted his post

sounds like someone from the organization might have asked him to take it down TBH


prob mods lol


It's twitter how would it be moderated? Like someone from their organization reported it for sensitive info or something lol
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Post#1868 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:24 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:the guy who posted about Edey's 3 pt numbers and how his workout was a display of "child abuse" deleted his post

sounds like someone from the organization might have asked him to take it down TBH


prob mods lol


It's twitter how would it be moderated? Like someone from their organization reported it for sensitive info or something lol


I thought u meant the poster
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Post#1869 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:27 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:the guy who posted about Edey's 3 pt numbers and how his workout was a display of "child abuse" deleted his post

sounds like someone from the organization might have asked him to take it down TBH


prob mods lol


It's twitter how would it be moderated? Like someone from their organization reported it for sensitive info or something lol


What did he actually say?
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Post#1870 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:36 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
prob mods lol


It's twitter how would it be moderated? Like someone from their organization reported it for sensitive info or something lol


What did he actually say?

Zach Edey had a fantastic workout with the Utah Jazz earlier this week. I was told "it was child abuse and everyone was blown away", per source.

Zach Edey shot 48/100 from 3 during his workout. pic.twitter.com/sBPSzx3nTr
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Post#1871 » by Potential » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:38 pm

Get ready to speak Raptor, Zach Edey
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Post#1872 » by grant101 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:59 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
DG88 wrote:From Eric Koreen at the Athletic.

With that in mind, let’s learn the six players most likely to become Raptors by the end of next week’s draft. We will start with guards today, and move on to wings and bigs later in the week. (A special thanks to The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie, whose work on prospect scouting is invaluable to readers and colleagues alike.)

Isaiah Collier | Southern California | 19 years old
6-foot-4 | 210 pounds | Freshman
16.3 points per game | 4.9 assists per game | 49.0 field goal percentage


Collier is the guard with the highest upside who could fall to the Raptors. He is an athletic beast who routinely tries to put pressure on the rim. Most of his creation for others comes from the ability to draw help defenders in the paint. He is very strong for such a young player, and strength usually improves as a player moves toward his mid-20s.

Unlike recent Raptors point guards, Collier is excellent at finishing at the rim thanks to his athleticism. That should open up more passes to him, and make them easier, too.

Given he’s a freshman, Collier’s game needs refinement. He is turnover-prone and his defence, which could be a positive down the road, was not good for USC this year. His shooting is inconsistent, and he doesn’t see the floor excellently if he doesn’t get to the rim. Presumably, a lot of that stuff could come with time.

Raptors fit: The Raptors hope Immanuel Quickley and Dick fill their backcourt for a long time. They need depth beyond them, especially if Gary Trent Jr. and Bruce Brown leave this summer. Collier represents one of the bigger swings the Raptors could take on pure talent, should he fall to 19.

On the other hand, he doesn’t play with enough control that he would automatically raise the floor for the Raptors’ reserves. It would likely take a while for him to thrive within Darko Rajaković’s offensive system, given he is not a developed shooter and is used to having the ball in his hands.

Jared McCain | Duke | 20
6-3 | 200 lbs. | freshman
14.3 PPG | 1.9 APG | 41.4 3-point percentage


He’s more of an off guard than a point guard, but McCain can shoot well. He is one of the best pure shooters in the class. He will probably be gone before the 19th pick, but his size at least makes it possible that he will slide.

In a perfect world, McCain would develop his playmaking skills and turn into a combo guard. He is not that yet — you see the assist totals — but at least he showed he can make passes in sets run for him. He won’t be an offensive initiator early in his career, but he could grow into that role.

He is a high-character player, and that often translates into being a better defender than projected. McCain’s combine measurements say it will be a challenge to become a good defender. His wingspan is just 6-3.5.

Raptors fit: In the short term, he would make sense in hybrid lineups with Barnes as the de facto point guard. Playing him with Quickley would be a tough ask right now, except in offense-first lineups in comeback situations.

He doesn’t have as high of a ceiling as Collier, but his shooting likely locks him into being an effective scorer off the bench at worst.

Ja’Kobe Walter | Baylor | 19
6-foot-4 | 198 lbs.| freshman
14.5 PPG | 1.4 APG | 37.6 FG percentage


Like McCain, he’s more of a shooting guard than a point guard at this stage. He has more size than his fellow freshman, though. He did not have an efficient season, but that is partly because he took difficult shots regularly within Baylor’s offense.

Walter has a 6-foot-10 wingspan, which should allow him to be an impactful defender once he adds more muscle. Still, he has a better chance to be a plus on offense, due to his polished footwork and movement, than on defense.

He will have to iron out his shot selection in the NBA. Moving down in the offensive pecking order should allow him to do that, but he is not super athletic, making getting to the rim a challenge.

Raptors fit: His length alone makes him a possibility for the Raptors. Sure, the team’s defensive philosophy has changed since Nick Nurse’s departure, but his wingspan will make up for some of his athletic shortcomings. He understands team defence well, which could get him on the floor even if he would be targeted on the ball.

I worry more about his offensive fit, even if that is where more of his upside lies. Any player who relies as much as Walter did on long 2s is going to have to get that out of his system in the NBA. Doing that while the game is speeding up could be problematic, therefore making him more of a long-term project than he appears to be at first glance.

Crucially, he would allow me to buy a name-appropriate jersey for my dog.

Ajay Mitchell | California-Santa Barbara | 22
6-3 | 200 lbs. | junior
20.0 PPG | 4.0 APG | 39.3 3-point percentage


Mitchell is one of the more polished point guards in this part of the draft, a potential backup on opening night. Unsurprisingly as a college junior, his game is much more developed than the three freshmen above him. He has counters when his initial moves are stopped, and can excel in the areas where defenses try to funnel players.

His shooting is a big question mark. He was good from deep this year, but he lived in the high 20s and low 30s in his first two seasons. He has been efficient from other areas throughout his career, but the 3-point shot is new and therefore not guaranteed to stick.

He doesn’t have the burst Collier does. He has very good size for his position, but will have to use that and his smarts rather than his speed and leaping to make things work in the NBA. If his shot doesn’t come around, that would really limit his offensive ceiling.

Raptors fit: Mitchell’s shot is the thing. If he can hang in the mid-to-high 30s, he is a legitimate prospect, and has the size and smarts to be a really good third guard for the Raptors. If not, he could wash out of the league.

His intelligence should allow him to thrive in a structured setting, so I think Mitchell could catch on pretty quickly to what the Raptors want to do on both ends. Plus he was raised in Belgium, which means more stories about international basketball. Yay!

He’d make a ton of sense at 31, less at 19.

Jamal Shead | Houston | 21
6-0 | 201 lbs. | senior
12.9 PPG | 6.3 APG | 40.9 FG percentage


He is a human lightning bolt, using his speed on both ends — to create for his teammates and eliminate space for his opponents. He has fan-favorite potential.

He’s also small. He was great defensively in college, but he might not be able to overcome his size playing against bigger players more regularly. He is not a 3-point shooter, which will hurt his ability to be as much of a maestro in the NBA as he was in college.

Even without a jumper, he is excellent at using screens. The NBA will force him to develop more of an in-between game, but he can slow down when necessary to allow a play to develop.

Raptors fit: Shead has some shades of Fred VanVleet and very different shades of Markquis Nowell. His soft skills — leadership, confidence, experience — make him a natural Raptors fit.

His size and lack of shooting put him at a great risk of washing out, though, or maybe having an Ish Smith-type journeyman career. The latter is a good outcome for the 31st pick in what is considered a weak draft, but the Raptors are at a point where they need to swing a bit harder. I’d be surprised, if not shocked, if he ends up in Toronto.

Cam Spencer | Connecticut | 24
6-4 | 205 lbs. | senior
18.9 PPG | 3.2 APG | 35.3 3-point percentage


He’s an older prospect, but he’s a winner. He has every soft skill you would want from a player, including a willingness to talk trash, apparently. He is a good decision-maker. He is a good shooter, with last year representing his floor.

On the downside, to be blunt: He’s old, small and not athletic. Spencer would be the opposite of an upside pick. His shooting could help him stick, but considering he is not a pure point guard, he would be a complicated fit for any team.

He will be picked on defensively. With both Connecticut and Rutgers beforehand, he was a part of great defences, but that had more to do with the players around him than his own play. He plays hard, but that is not as much of the battle in the NBA as it is in college.

Raptors fit: I love the idea of Spencer at the end of the Raptors’ roster. This roster doesn’t have a lot of swagger, and I think Spencer’s toughness and confidence would be important elements to help the franchise regain some of that lost lustre.

He might not be a good enough athlete or big enough to hang. I would love him on a 2-way contract, but I think you have to go a bit bigger with the picks the Raptors have. If they add another late second-rounder? Sure.

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Collier is a beast. Forget his numbers in college for a minute; he has the skills to potentially excel in the league - he just needs time and development to put it together. High risk/high reward. I think his floor is similar to Norman Powell (combo guard off the bench).


Couldn't agree more. One of the very few players with legit all-star upside in this draft. Put up solid efficiency numbers on a team with no spacing and zero movement. He's going to eat at the NBA level, particularly if paired with shooters. He gets to the paint at will.

Sure, he's got areas to improve, but strangely seems to get very little grace in terms of belief that he will improve on them. Comparable 3pt numbers to Bub and JaKobe, yet folks are convinced he'll remain a non-shooter. There are plenty of shooters in the NBA that posted worst stats their freshmen years.
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Post#1873 » by alpngso » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:18 pm

Glad some like Ajay Mitchell. One of the guys i like at 31
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Post#1874 » by Dalek » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:23 pm

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Collier is a beast. Forget his numbers in college for a minute; he has the skills to potentially excel in the league - he just needs time and development to put it together. High risk/high reward. I think his floor is similar to Norman Powell (combo guard off the bench).


Couldn't agree more. One of the very few players with legit all-star upside in this draft. Put up solid efficiency numbers on a team with no spacing and zero movement. He's going to eat at the NBA level, particularly if paired with shooters. He gets to the paint at will.

Sure, he's got areas to improve, but strangely seems to get very little grace in terms of belief that he will improve on them. Comparable 3pt numbers to Bub and JaKobe, yet folks are convinced he'll remain a non-shooter. There are plenty of shooters in the NBA that posted worst stats their freshmen years.


So Koreen skips Tyler Kolek the best shooter and playmaking guard in the class, plus he forgets KJ Simpson who is probably higher than Ajay Mitchell given his scoring ability and no Bub Carrington either.

We also worked out Reece Beekman who would be the best defender at the guard position for us. Throwing in guys like Collier and Walter seem like a reach, but I guess he went with the high ranked guys who could drop to Toronto.
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Post#1875 » by grant101 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:33 pm

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Collier is a beast. Forget his numbers in college for a minute; he has the skills to potentially excel in the league - he just needs time and development to put it together. High risk/high reward. I think his floor is similar to Norman Powell (combo guard off the bench).


Couldn't agree more. One of the very few players with legit all-star upside in this draft. Put up solid efficiency numbers on a team with no spacing and zero movement. He's going to eat at the NBA level, particularly if paired with shooters. He gets to the paint at will.

Sure, he's got areas to improve, but strangely seems to get very little grace in terms of belief that he will improve on them. Comparable 3pt numbers to Bub and JaKobe, yet folks are convinced he'll remain a non-shooter. There are plenty of shooters in the NBA that posted worst stats their freshmen years.


So Koreen skips Tyler Kolek the best shooter and playmaking guard in the class, plus he forgets KJ Simpson who is probably higher than Ajay Mitchell given his scoring ability and no Bub Carrington either.

We also worked out Reece Beekman who would be the best defender at the guard position for us. Throwing in guys like Collier and Walter seem like a reach, but I guess he went with the high ranked guys who could drop to Toronto.


Yeah, that was a bit of an odd collection of players to cover. Not the biggest Kolek or Bub fan (I have Collier significantly ahead of both), and you may be underselling Ajay here, but they at least deserved a shout given how frequently they're mentioned as possibilities @ 19. Also, KJ is one of my sleepers at @31 if we go big/wing @ 19, so I agree that he should have probably made the cut.
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Post#1876 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:49 pm

Edey will prolly go anywhere from 12-17 in the draft....He won't be available for us..
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Baylor Scheierman | 6-6 wing | 23 years old | Creighton
I’ve maintained a first-round grade on Scheierman since the end of the college basketball season. He averaged 18 points, nine rebounds and four assists while drilling a number of 3s off significant movement. He’s one of the best shooters in the class, with an extremely versatile motion that allows him to fire from distance off any kind of footwork. He’s a quick ball-mover and passer, and I think his defense is better than it gets credit for being. Go back and watch the team’s Sweet 16 game against Tennessee, where he held Knecht to 6-of-17 shooting from the field as the primary defender.

Scheierman has also had one of the better pre-draft processes of any player. He was the best player in the 5-on-5 portion of the NBA Draft Combine, impressing teams with his ability to fill multiple roles. I think he hears his name called in the first round at this point, as NBA teams generally see him as a player who can come in and help sooner rather than later.


Very good chance Scheierman outplays his draft slot. He's a lot more than your average shooting specialist which is what most people perceive him to be. I think he can be one of the better 4th/5th guys in your starting lineup in the NBA, like a lower volume Tyler Herro with better rebounding and scoring efficiency. His ability to ball gives him a solid chance at gelling with a talented and fast paced NBA team lacking a well-rounded scoring option and outlet.


I REALLY like Scheierman...so much so that I wouldn't even be upset if we used the 19th on him BUT I'd prefer that we either use our 31st to trade back in with a team that would prefer less salary commitments of a 2nd rd pick OR trading Brown to the NYK for the 24th and grabbing him (or Smith, Furphy, Tyson...or Bub *top of my list) there. Although I think we should preferably try to use BB to trade up with either SAC or CHI, as teams that are desperate to remain "relevant"/in the Playoffs.
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Post#1878 » by Dalek » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:22 pm

alpngso wrote:Glad some like Ajay Mitchell. One of the guys i like at 31


I really like his potential but it is all about how he performs in a workout because his conference stunk and he rarely played good teams. My hope comes from the combine where he showed well amongst the real peers in his class.

I think the shooting translates and he was one of the better at self-creation in this class. He had 47 FTR, 28 AST% and 31 Usage so he took care of the ball and got to the basket. People will doubt his shot because it was low volume on threes. Given his size and ability, it is not impossible for him to be like a Andrew Nembhard type but it is a stretch.
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Post#1879 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:34 pm

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Post#1880 » by alpngso » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:37 pm

Kolek+Ighodaro really reminds me of Hood-Schifino+Jackson-Davis from last year.

Would be really interested too see how they fare in the league.

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