Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[M2J]

Man, Paul George talking about GM reputations on his podcast and how players talk. I hope Morey realizes we're being used instead of wasting his time.

Looking more and more like we'll be going the trade route. Time to delete all the bad stuff we said about current-day Jimmy Butler and Brandon Ingram.

Don't worry, Joel talked to Paul too

[M2J]

Morey may be washed but generally he doesn't really leak legit stuff too much.

many of his moves have come out of nowhere sans maybe the Harden stuff and even then we didn't give up as much as "insiders" thought iirc.

yeah I am sure he wants PG, Bron, Jimmy....but anyone could have told you that.

Can you tell me what big moves Morey has made sans Harden?

Trading for CP3 and then trading him for Westbrook....ok, what else in 15 years?

Signed Dwight to Houston (off the top of my head).

Absolutely stole Linsanity from the Knicks!

[Negrodamus]

The only way I can see LeBron coming here would be if he thinks coming back east and taking down the Celtics will cement his legacy. Other than that it's completely unrealistic to believe it can happen.

He should just retire now if he plans on returning to the Lakers. Money doesn’t really matter since he will have a media empire to “run” when he retires. He has a 0% chance of winning it all with the cap strapped and underwhelming Lakers roster. He has all the major statistical records, so there’s nothing to really conquer other than championships.

I think the odds of him leaving are higher than returning tbh.

[SixthStreet]

I don't think he cares about rings anymore. He'll amp it up to try and get a couple more in season tournaments but that's the extent to which I see him resume padding at this point. He might play long enough to try and get Bronny a second contract.

[Negrodamus]

I don't really see the point in any of that for him.

I think he solely cares about rings. In season tournaments do nothing for his legacy. If he came here, he'd have his best chance at getting to 6 championships thus definitively separating him and Jordan from anyone else even trying to be in the discussion of best of all time. Obviously he wouldn't be the main guy like Jordan was but at least he got to 6.

[ProcessDoctor]

I don't really see the point in any of that for him.

I think he solely cares about rings. In season tournaments do nothing for his legacy. If he came here, he'd have his best chance at getting to 6 championships thus definitively separating him and Jordan from anyone else even trying to be in the discussion of best of all time. Obviously he wouldn't be the main guy like Jordan was but at least he got to 6.

If he’s coming here, then the deal is already done and all the Paul George noise is misdirection to prevent tampering charges.

Don’t think he’s coming here but I’d love it if you were right.

[FireMorey]

It's an interesting dynamic examining the psyche of Sixers fans. One pattern I've noticed is the fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid have done a complete 180 and are now the most cynical Sixers fans. I chalk that up to having a false bravado for years and Sixers disappointments shattering that shield and turning Sixers fans against themselves. Where they got angry at themselves for believing and have now turned into major cynics to avoid breaking their heart again.

Where people like me who have been "out" on the Sixers for a while(I basically said FU to this franchise after they traded Butler) are more optimistic than the people who were once the kool aid drinkers. I guess it's because these types already have a deep resentment for the Sixers so there is no fear of being disappointed. Which allows them to look at the situation more objectively. I fall in this camp. As someone who has never fully bought into this team winning, especially post trading Butler--if the Sixers are able to land one of PG/Butler/Lebron/Mitchell/Markkanen then this team will coast to the Finals next year if Embiid stays healthy. But that's a big if, always the biggest one. The good news and bad news is there's nothing the Sixers or anyone else can do about that. It's almost a comforting feeling knowing that it's kind of in the hands of Injury Lady Luck, it's not like the Sixers don't have the top level talent to do it. The bad news is Lady Luck seems to hate the Sixers. But if she smiles on the Sixers just once, and Embiid gets to the playoffs not totally compromised, then no team in basketball is beating a team with Embiid/Maxey/PG,Lebron, Butler, Markkanen, Mitchell on the roster relatively healthy. This team was on a ridiculous pace before Embiid went down this season with Embiid, Maxey and a bunch of guys named Bob. Add another star to the mix, and the Sixers will be an absolute force.

Time for the washed GM to make something happen for once.

[Covi_Marsh]

I disagree. The Process was a great idea in theory and the Sixers didn’t create it. People are just mad that they actually announced they were doing it and created a name for it.

Thunder tanked for years. Everyone calls Presti a genius tho because they didn’t create a name for it or openly say they were tanking. They were literally taking bums on bad contracts for draft capital. Not trying to win.

Boston literally created their team by trading off their old players to Brooklyn for non protected picks. Brooklyn ended up sucking and tanking for them so Boston spent money to try to be competitive to fill the owner pockets in the meanwhile. Brooklyn netted them Tatum and Brown.

Spurs tanked to extend there window and got Tim Duncan. Warriors tried to copy and got James Wiseman.

Process in not some kool aid it’s what teams do. Unfortunately we missed on draft picks. Nerlens was a bust, Embiid was a hit, Okafor was a bum (although we were supposed to get DLo Lakers screwed us and Porzingis refused to come to Philadelphia), Fultz was a bust but only him or Ball were going to be Aavailable. Boston wasn’t going to trade the pick if we wanted Tatum. So in that aspect the process didn’t work out. But the tanking netted us Simmons and Embiid with draft capital just like the Thunder.

Fans are cynical because we wasted those assets. Traded pieces for Tobias then resigned him to a max contract. Used assets to move up for Fultz who would have probably been there cuz Lakers liked Ball, traded assets for butler then let him leave for Richardson and Al Horford. Thats an incompetent front office and Elton brand got demoted while Brown got fired.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't really see the point in any of that for him.

I think he solely cares about rings. In season tournaments do nothing for his legacy. If he came here, he'd have his best chance at getting to 6 championships thus definitively separating him and Jordan from anyone else even trying to be in the discussion of best of all time. Obviously he wouldn't be the main guy like Jordan was but at least he got to 6.

If Lebron came to Philly & we won a ring, I’d bet he would win Finals MVP anyway because he’d have his typical 20+/8/8 stat lines.

[Covi_Marsh]

Now ppl are fed up and demanding Morey make us a super team like we didn’t just get our assets back. I came believe ppl wanting to trade 4 firsts for Lauri or Bridges lol but calling signing an old PG13 for no picks a stupid move. At least Paul George just missed the all nba team along with Maxey. Lauri is injury prone and has one all star appearance in his career. You don’t trade 4 firsts for that. He does not have superstar potential. He has Porzingis potential tho. Would be a great fit but not for a superstar package. Bridges is an high level 3&D. He’s on OG level of that. U don’t trade 4 firsts for that either. Even if they’re a great fit. Neither one of them have a superstar ceiling.

Danny Ainge and whoever running that trash show over in Brooklyn are both delusional

[Negrodamus]

It's an interesting dynamic examining the psyche of Sixers fans. One pattern I've noticed is the fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid have done a complete 180 and are now the most cynical Sixers fans. I chalk that up to having a false bravado for years and Sixers disappointments shattering that shield and turning Sixers fans against themselves. Where they got angry at themselves for believing and have now turned into major cynics to avoid breaking their heart again.

Where people like me who have been "out" on the Sixers for a while(I basically said FU to this franchise after they traded Butler) are more optimistic than the people who were once the kool aid drinkers. I guess it's because these types already have a deep resentment for the Sixers so there is no fear of being disappointed. Which allows them to look at the situation more objectively. I fall in this camp. As someone who has never fully bought into this team winning, especially post trading Butler--if the Sixers are able to land one of PG/Butler/Lebron/Mitchell/Markkanen then this team will coast to the Finals next year if Embiid stays healthy. But that's a big if, always the biggest one. The good news and bad news is there's nothing the Sixers or anyone else can do about that. It's almost a comforting feeling knowing that it's kind of in the hands of Injury Lady Luck, it's not like the Sixers don't have the top level talent to do it. The bad news is Lady Luck seems to hate the Sixers. But if she smiles on the Sixers just once, and Embiid gets to the playoffs not totally compromised, then no team in basketball is beating a team with Embiid/Maxey/PG,Lebron, Butler, Markkanen, Mitchell on the roster relatively healthy. This team was on a ridiculous pace before Embiid went down this season with Embiid, Maxey and a bunch of guys named Bob. Add another star to the mix, and the Sixers will be an absolute force.

Time for the washed GM to make something happen for once.

I guess congratulations on not being a "kool aid drinker". Missing from the evaluation is the complete absence of continuity because the league intervened on Hinkie, Colangelo was setting fire to the team with burners, Elton Brand and Brett Brown along with ownership spent time making decisions, and then we had Doc Rivers hired BEFORE Morey and he proceeded to alienate 50% of our stars.

One can only conclude that the process, or Hinkie's flash in the pan during this entire timeline, was a failure, I guess.

[eyeatoma]

Now ppl are fed up and demanding Morey make us a super team like we didn’t just get our assets back. I came believe ppl wanting to trade 4 firsts for Lauri or Bridges lol but calling signing an old PG13 for no picks a stupid move. At least Paul George just missed the all nba team along with Maxey. Lauri is injury prone and has one all star appearance in his career. You don’t trade 4 firsts for that. He does not have superstar potential. He has Porzingis potential tho. Would be a great fit but not for a superstar package. Bridges is an high level 3&D. He’s on OG level of that. U don’t trade 4 firsts for that either. Even if they’re a great fit. Neither one of them have a superstar ceiling.

Danny Ainge and whoever running that trash show over in Brooklyn are both delusional

Lauri is actually not injury prone. Last 2 years that was Danny milking the injury.

[NYSixersFan]

Can you tell me what big moves Morey has made sans Harden?

Trading for CP3 and then trading him for Westbrook....ok, what else in 15 years?

Signed Dwight to Houston (off the top of my head).

Absolutely stole Linsanity from the Knicks!

You know he's a media created fraud when giving Linsanity a 3 year, 25 mil deal is worthy of praise.

[Jailblazers7]

The sad part about Morey is that his philosophy is all about stars but his best skill is drafting & identifying undervalued role players.

[Stanford]

Damn, that's an all-time bad post. General board bad.

One pattern I've noticed is the fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid have done a complete 180 and are now the most cynical Sixers fans.

Not an inconsistent, weird, or interesting pattern you've identified. I would expect anyone who was optimistic about the Sixers under Hinkie to be cynical after ownership allowed the league to push Jerry Colangelo on them, who pushed out Hinkie and hired his idiot son.

Where they got angry at themselves for believing and have now turned into major cynics to avoid breaking their heart again.

Again, no part of the process Kool-Aid involved rallying around Bryan Colangelo. No one is angry at themselves for believing, they're justifiably angry at the organization for years of mismanagement and unserious decisions. Cynicism as a defense mechanism is not unique to fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid, it's common among fans of every sports team with a poor front office and ownership.

Where people like me who have been "out" on the Sixers for a while(I basically said FU to this franchise after they traded Butler) are more optimistic than the people who were once the kool aid drinkers.

Butler was traded three years after "The Process" ended. Your so-called Kool-Aid drinkers said FU to this franchise in 2016.

I guess it's because these types already have a deep resentment for the Sixers so there is no fear of being disappointed. Which allows them to look at the situation more objectively. I fall in this camp

Of course, you are the perfectly objective one. Except that your deep resentment for the Sixers apparently started in 2019 and theirs started three years earlier. Whose resentment is deeper, exactly?

if the Sixers are able to land one of PG/Butler/Lebron/Mitchell/Markkanen then this team will coast to the Finals next year if Embiid stays healthy.

There is a huge spectrum of belief on this board about the things you're talking about here.

Some don't think PG is a good move because he's well beyond his athletic prime and will cost too much to sign. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't think Butler is a good move because he's old and it will require trading picks and giving him a max extention. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Lebron for personal reasons. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Mitchell because he wouldn't be a good fit with Maxey. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Markkanen because he would cost too much to acquire and hasn't played in a single playoff game. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some aren't optimistic about making it to the finals because Embiid has never been healthy for the playoffs. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

You've done nothing to link those who were optimistic during the three years Hinkie was in charge to a pervasive cynicism. Your psychoanalysis here is stupid.

[FireMorey]

Damn, that's an all-time bad post. General board bad.

One pattern I've noticed is the fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid have done a complete 180 and are now the most cynical Sixers fans.

Not an inconsistent, weird, or interesting pattern you've identified. I would expect anyone who was optimistic about the Sixers under Hinkie to be cynical after ownership allowed the league to push Jerry Colangelo on them, who pushed out Hinkie and hired his idiot son.

Where they got angry at themselves for believing and have now turned into major cynics to avoid breaking their heart again.

Again, no part of the process Kool-Aid involved rallying around Bryan Colangelo. No one is angry at themselves for believing, they're justifiably angry at the organization for years of mismanagement and unserious decisions. Cynicism as a defense mechanism is not unique to fans who were all in on the Sixers "process can do no wrong" kool aid, it's common among fans of every sports team with a poor front office and ownership.

Where people like me who have been "out" on the Sixers for a while(I basically said FU to this franchise after they traded Butler) are more optimistic than the people who were once the kool aid drinkers.

Butler was traded three years after "The Process" ended. Your so-called Kool-Aid drinkers said FU to this franchise in 2016.

I guess it's because these types already have a deep resentment for the Sixers so there is no fear of being disappointed. Which allows them to look at the situation more objectively. I fall in this camp

Of course, you are the perfectly objective one. Except that your deep resentment for the Sixers apparently started in 2019 and theirs started three years earlier. Whose resentment is deeper, exactly?

if the Sixers are able to land one of PG/Butler/Lebron/Mitchell/Markkanen then this team will coast to the Finals next year if Embiid stays healthy.

There is a huge spectrum of belief on this board about the things you're talking about here.

Some don't think PG is a good move because he's well beyond his athletic prime and will cost too much to sign. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't think Butler is a good move because he's old and it will require trading picks and giving him a max extention. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Lebron for personal reasons. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Mitchell because he wouldn't be a good fit with Maxey. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some don't want Markkanen because he would cost too much to acquire and hasn't played in a single playoff game. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

Some aren't optimistic about making it to the finals because Embiid has never been healthy for the playoffs. Not because they were optimistic about Hinkie.

You've done nothing to link those who were optimistic during the three years Hinkie was in charge to a pervasive cynicism. Your psychoanalysis here is stupid.

Disagree

[Negrodamus]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on here who even liked Bryan Colangelo; in fact, it might have been the one unifier of Sixer fans at the time.

That man was responsible for drafting the first overall pick (Ben Simmons) then moved up and drafting another first overall pick (Markelle Fultz).

[FireMorey]

The people that I am referring to absolutely did not turn on the Sixers in 2016 lol. Total fake news. They fully bought into the Butler trade. I remember seeing people here, social media, Reddit all in on the Butler trade and Horford signing. The kool aid drinkers were broken after the Atlanta series. It came crashing down and coincided with the Ben truthing falling apart. Game 7 Sixers/Hawks broke Sixers fans. Going into that series you had the bitter fans and the truthers and once that series was over there were no truthers left.

And yes, there are other factors involved. Just because I didn't name them doesn't mean I'm not factoring them in, I just didn't include it. Of course a variety of of factors turned the hardcore process truthers into cynics. But that didn't happen until VERY late in the game. Lest you forget how many people thought the Sixers with Horford would win a title? "Best defense in the league!" They said "Tobias will be able to turn into a #1 option!" they said. By that point the Sixers organization had already made a billion mistakes and they still clung to the idea that the Sixers and the process was destined toward a title.

Almost all of the worst Sixers process era decisions were done pre-Morey and I say that as someone who doesn't even like Morey. But the process era Sixers truthers long bought in well into the Morey era.

[Negrodamus]

It's actually bad to be hopeful that the team you sink time and energy into is going to be good.

[Jailblazers7]

I like to be skeptical and resentful of all things in my life so I can avoid looking foolish or hypocritical if things go wrong.