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RookieStar wrote:fendilim wrote:OnlyFranz22 wrote:
He’d be a great addition for anyone.
I’d be pumped if we went after him.
Size/Shooting/Playmaking
Athleticism as well.
Ummm Miles Bridges? Are you sure you arent talking about Mikal Bridges?
Miles is the 3-4 player whilr Mikal is the 2-3 player in terms of position.
OnlyFranz22 wrote:JD Davison is gonna be a really good player.
Celtics have no space for him.
OnlyFranz22 wrote:RookieStar wrote:fendilim wrote:Athleticism as well.
Ummm Miles Bridges? Are you sure you arent talking about Mikal Bridges?
Miles is the 3-4 player whilr Mikal is the 2-3 player in terms of position.
We still really track “positions”
I meant Miles. That’s why I said Miles.
RookieStar wrote:OnlyFranz22 wrote:RookieStar wrote:
Ummm Miles Bridges? Are you sure you arent talking about Mikal Bridges?
Miles is the 3-4 player whilr Mikal is the 2-3 player in terms of position.
We still really track “positions”
I meant Miles. That’s why I said Miles.
Eh... positions are important to me only as to that they wont be disadvantaged at.
But i was questioning more in the playmaking and shooting aspects. I know he is a freal athlete that attacks the rim with power. But playmaking and shooting???
Skybox wrote:Suggs is a hellacious defender and had a great year spotting up for 3’s. That’s not a PG…that’s a much better Gary Harris or a smaller OG Anunoby. He’s got terrible handles and can’t move through traffic to draw defenders to warp defenses. He’s got negligible assists. He can defend SGs or PGs easily. He gets the tougher guard assignment…he’s not really that small and he defends bigger.
PG is kind of an awkward term on this team anyway, with two forwards who, almost always, begin their offense on the perimeter, penetrate and either shoot or pass upon drawing defenders…that’s traditional PG behavior. We don’t need a real PG, but we do need a guard that can, basically, do what Paolo does, with the ball in his hands. Paolo & Franz, even at 6’10, are significantly better offensive initiators than Suggs. I know what roles are and I see what role Suggs has shown the ability to perform effectively…3&D, traditional SG. “Position” doesn’t mean anything, except what they mistakenly put on your trading card, when they feel the need to use the traditional words, regardless of what you do. Try and classify Isaac, Paolo, Franz, even WCJ, to an extent…they defy traditional labels. To say that Jamal Murray and Tyus Jones play the same position is laughable. Tatum and Zion and Anthony Davis? It’s really not an important distinction anymore…we need another player to (also) initiate offense…this year, Suggs became a much better player by not pretending to be that, and just played off of our oversized initiators.
RichCollab wrote:1st Free Agent off the market?
drsd wrote:RichCollab wrote:1st Free Agent off the market?
If Tyrese Maxey, Paul George, LeBron James, and Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby all resign, I will go with Malik Monk. I predict he will have a contact offer ready to sign on the first minute of the FA period. As with, as stated above, Miles Bridges.
After those two, there is a sharp drop. Names like Nicolas Claxton, Tobias Harris, and D'Angelo Russell ae the next tier of FAs this season.
fendilim wrote:drsd wrote:RichCollab wrote:1st Free Agent off the market?
If Tyrese Maxey, Paul George, LeBron James, and Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby all resign, I will go with Malik Monk. I predict he will have a contact offer ready to sign on the first minute of the FA period. As with, as stated above, Miles Bridges.
After those two, there is a sharp drop. Names like Nicolas Claxton, Tobias Harris, and D'Angelo Russell ae the next tier of FAs this season.
Teams can re-sign their own free agents as soon as the finals is done. So today we can hear developments already.
cedric76 wrote:i cant see Orlando go after Miles because of extra sport issue
The sneaky Free agent i could see us going after is De'Anthony Melton
When healthy, Melton is a standout in terms of adjusted plus-minus impact because of his versatile defense and capable 3-point shooting (37% career). And Melton -- who will turn 26 on Tuesday -- is right in his prime years.
Elite defender with a 6'8 Wingspan
Sounds like a magic player
drsd wrote:Skybox wrote:Suggs is a hellacious defender and had a great year spotting up for 3’s. That’s not a PG…that’s a much better Gary Harris or a smaller OG Anunoby. He’s got terrible handles and can’t move through traffic to draw defenders to warp defenses. He’s got negligible assists. He can defend SGs or PGs easily. He gets the tougher guard assignment…he’s not really that small and he defends bigger.
PG is kind of an awkward term on this team anyway, with two forwards who, almost always, begin their offense on the perimeter, penetrate and either shoot or pass upon drawing defenders…that’s traditional PG behavior. We don’t need a real PG, but we do need a guard that can, basically, do what Paolo does, with the ball in his hands. Paolo & Franz, even at 6’10, are significantly better offensive initiators than Suggs. I know what roles are and I see what role Suggs has shown the ability to perform effectively…3&D, traditional SG. “Position” doesn’t mean anything, except what they mistakenly put on your trading card, when they feel the need to use the traditional words, regardless of what you do. Try and classify Isaac, Paolo, Franz, even WCJ, to an extent…they defy traditional labels. To say that Jamal Murray and Tyus Jones play the same position is laughable. Tatum and Zion and Anthony Davis? It’s really not an important distinction anymore…we need another player to (also) initiate offense…this year, Suggs became a much better player by not pretending to be that, and just played off of our oversized initiators.
Orlando's "PG" won't be a PG. And if the team instead gets a true spot-up SG sliding Suggs to PG, Suggs won't be a PG; he would be a "PG".
This team's offense will always run through the two forwards. That is why the Magic can go with a "BJ Armstrong" approach to the PG slot (Coby White or Dennis Schröder???). Or role out two combo guards that play, in your words, "hellacious" defense. (How much fun would the Caruso / Suggs backcourt be on defense???)
There was only one true PG in the top-6 of apg: Haliburton. The NBA does not use PGs to run an offense. Mr. #7 is VanVleet. Yes he is a major upgrade over Fultz, and none of us would "cry" if the Magic went in that direction for guard upgrade. A VanVleet / Suggs backcourt does have merits.
DiVincenzo, Simons, and George - two of these names we all talk about often - all had more three-balls than Young. I really do think the Magic will go in that sort of direction over a "PG". A roll out a sniper at the SG slot.
The Celts just won an NBA title by having White play defense all season. Look to Orlando doing that with Suggs. That's my bold prediction, Suggs is the Magic's starting PG opening night for the 2024/25 season.
drsd wrote:fendilim wrote:drsd wrote:
If Tyrese Maxey, Paul George, LeBron James, and Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby all resign, I will go with Malik Monk. I predict he will have a contact offer ready to sign on the first minute of the FA period. As with, as stated above, Miles Bridges.
After those two, there is a sharp drop. Names like Nicolas Claxton, Tobias Harris, and D'Angelo Russell ae the next tier of FAs this season.
Teams can re-sign their own free agents as soon as the finals is done. So today we can hear developments already.
And-1
But this is not how I interpreted the question. I read it as "whose the first player to move", which is why I don't have Maxey as the auto-first choice here.
tiderulz wrote:cedric76 wrote:i cant see Orlando go after Miles because of extra sport issue
The sneaky Free agent i could see us going after is De'Anthony Melton
When healthy, Melton is a standout in terms of adjusted plus-minus impact because of his versatile defense and capable 3-point shooting (37% career). And Melton -- who will turn 26 on Tuesday -- is right in his prime years.
Elite defender with a 6'8 Wingspan
Sounds like a magic player
but that isnt a starter. so is he the backup SG and Jett is the 3rd? is he the 3rd SG? im okay as another bench guy to improve overall bench talent on a low contract but isnt really a needle mover to me. and at 6'2, even with length im not sure how versatile on defense he is.
Skybox wrote:Personally (for ATL), I'd take Sarr over Clingan and be a little patient for, imo, the greater upside.
My question, assuming ATL drafts Sarr or Clingan, would they seek to unload Capela or Okongwu? I would think Capela on an expiring deal, is the better mentor/placeholder for a rookie Center (I'm not that enamored with OO's long-term upside at C...but I don't really know how ATL looks at him). I'm guessing Okongwu's versatility makes him a better pairing, long-term, with Sarr (or Clingan). Wendell Carter could provide a solid, versatile, upgrade at C immediately (on a great deal) and gracefully transition to PF/C as Sarr earns more time. Carter is a solid, heady, 2-way role model for Okongwu as well and offers similar versatility...Carter is also only 25.
I really want to construct a trade for Murray to ORL and am looking for ways to sweeten the deal by absorbing a player that ATL now finds redundant. I'm not saying Capela or OO don't have value, just that rolling them into a bigger deal would also be useful to ATL, cap-wise.
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 5 protected) ($17m salary)
ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Bruno Fernando ($ 50m salary)
Draft McCain or Carrington or da Silva or Shannon or whoever is there at #18
Then, sign a vet FA for around $8-12m for 1 + 1 (Slo-Mo?) or just keep Ingles if he's looking physically able
Capela, Mo, Fernando
Paolo, Isaac, Anderson
Franz, Anderson, Black
Suggs, Black, Houstan
Murray, McCain
Skybox wrote:This have any legs?
ORL sends: WCJ, Better of ORL or DEN 25 frp (both Top 5 protected)
NOLA sends: Jordan Hawkins & #21
*ORL effectively gains $8.5m in cap space
McCain or Carrington drops to 18, Draft Missi at #21
Try for Claxton in FA, or Hartenstein (but no overpays!) or, consider re-upping Goga for short-term and/or cobbling together the C spot with Isaac, Mo, Missi, or a lesser FA placeholder like Wiseman (still just 23, huge & agile, project for Mose?). Could probably get Wiseman for $8m per (1 + 1TO). I'd still consider Bamba on a non-guaranteed, make good, save your career conversation. Basically, I'm betting on big backcourt improvements outweighing a murky C spot being sorted out.
Walk into FA/lopsided trade market w/over $50m in cap space.
still can’t believe they passed on him for Jet smh. A shooter that doesn’t need the ball in his hands is what we are still searching for today and we could have had him last season for nothing basically. mattdelray1220 wrote:tiderulz wrote:cedric76 wrote:i cant see Orlando go after Miles because of extra sport issue
The sneaky Free agent i could see us going after is De'Anthony Melton
When healthy, Melton is a standout in terms of adjusted plus-minus impact because of his versatile defense and capable 3-point shooting (37% career). And Melton -- who will turn 26 on Tuesday -- is right in his prime years.
Elite defender with a 6'8 Wingspan
Sounds like a magic player
but that isnt a starter. so is he the backup SG and Jett is the 3rd? is he the 3rd SG? im okay as another bench guy to improve overall bench talent on a low contract but isnt really a needle mover to me. and at 6'2, even with length im not sure how versatile on defense he is.
I actually think Melton is going to be our signing. Hot take.. I may prefer him over Malik Monk. They can probably get him on a 3/30. I think he potentially starts next to Suggs or comes off the bench for him. In this case Gary gets resigned too and becomes Franz back up. Jett/Caleb becomes 3rd string but will obviously play once we get an injury at the G or F position. Melton is tenacious on defense, can hit the 3 and fits right in with our culture.
A signing like this lets AB and Cole get more time on the court and doesnt take anything away from PB and Franz. Melton will become a fan favorite very quickly. He is one of those guys that's hitting his prime and does all of the little things that help a team win. When healthy of course.
This is not a big splash and chips all in move but this signing also keeps that flexibility for us. If we want to make a move like that at deadline or next offseason.
three3d wrote:Skybox wrote:This have any legs?
ORL sends: WCJ, Better of ORL or DEN 25 frp (both Top 5 protected)
NOLA sends: Jordan Hawkins & #21
*ORL effectively gains $8.5m in cap space
McCain or Carrington drops to 18, Draft Missi at #21
Try for Claxton in FA, or Hartenstein (but no overpays!) or, consider re-upping Goga for short-term and/or cobbling together the C spot with Isaac, Mo, Missi, or a lesser FA placeholder like Wiseman (still just 23, huge & agile, project for Mose?). Could probably get Wiseman for $8m per (1 + 1TO). I'd still consider Bamba on a non-guaranteed, make good, save your career conversation. Basically, I'm betting on big backcourt improvements outweighing a murky C spot being sorted out.
Walk into FA/lopsided trade market w/over $50m in cap space.
Jordan Hawkins