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Richard4444 wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:Richard4444 wrote:
Lauri is not playing a reserve role. He is after a max next season.
He is the center we need. Bring Mitch off the bench, then he can move down to PF. It isn’t happening but it would be great. Pure shooter at 7‘0, good rebounder too.
He barely played as a center. And Thibs loves rim protection and offensive rebounds.
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Wildcat wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Yeah this is where Jeremy's analysis falls flat IMO. He assumes the worst for other teams while thinking the Knicks hold the leverage in every situation they're in. I also think he's too cap minutiae oriented in how he decides who is a fit and who isn't.
The Cavs are competing to win now...Why would they just let Okoro walk for a TPE and maybe an ok 2nd rounder just to avoid the 2nd apron? He's young, ready to contribute now and also has some runway to improve. The exact kind of guy you need to keep to stay competitive. That kind of offer will be there next summer if they really need to shed him. Assuming the Cavs make the rest of their moves in the offseason, the 2nd Apron would really only come into play if they wanted to make an in season trade or a move the following off-season.
Not that I agree with Jeremy, but their team right now is not a win-now team and they are not a team positioned right now to handle the 2nd apron.
I definitely disagree with that. We've won one more series than them over the past 2 years...Would you not consider us win-now?
They can make just as many injury excuses as we could tbh. They beat Boston in Boston before Mitchell went down and they didn't have Allen for most of the playoffs.
They have an All-NBA player in his prime. A budding all-Defense level big. Another all-star big and an all-star pg. Whether they keep that whole core together remains to be seen but they definitely are trying to win.
Also Gilbert isn't a cheap owner. He's proven he'll spend if he has a contender on their hands.
I just don't think they're going to let a 22 year old wing who happens to have a good relationship with their current star walk because of possible future money concerns.
spree2kawhi wrote:Richard4444 wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:He is the center we need. Bring Mitch off the bench, then he can move down to PF. It isn’t happening but it would be great. Pure shooter at 7‘0, good rebounder too.
He barely played as a center. And Thibs loves rim protection and offensive rebounds.
He does play center for them quite a lot - at least when I’ve watched them.
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Wildcat wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:Wildcat wrote:
Not that I agree with Jeremy, but their team right now is not a win-now team and they are not a team positioned right now to handle the 2nd apron.
I definitely disagree with that. We've won one more series than them over the past 2 years...Would you not consider us win-now?
They can make just as many injury excuses as we could tbh. They beat Boston in Boston before Mitchell went down and they didn't have Allen for most of the playoffs.
They have an All-NBA player in his prime. A budding all-Defense level big. Another all-star big and an all-star pg. Whether they keep that whole core together remains to be seen but they definitely are trying to win.
Also Gilbert isn't a cheap owner. He's proven he'll spend if he has a contender on their hands.
I just don't think they're going to let a 22 year old wing who happens to have a good relationship with their current star walk because of possible future money concerns.
I think you're overestimating Cleveland. Their roster doesn't make sense. But hey, let's see who they bring in as their coach, and if they have the cojones to admit Garland/Spida doesn't work.
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Wildcat wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:
I definitely disagree with that. We've won one more series than them over the past 2 years...Would you not consider us win-now?
They can make just as many injury excuses as we could tbh. They beat Boston in Boston before Mitchell went down and they didn't have Allen for most of the playoffs.
They have an All-NBA player in his prime. A budding all-Defense level big. Another all-star big and an all-star pg. Whether they keep that whole core together remains to be seen but they definitely are trying to win.
Also Gilbert isn't a cheap owner. He's proven he'll spend if he has a contender on their hands.
I just don't think they're going to let a 22 year old wing who happens to have a good relationship with their current star walk because of possible future money concerns.
I think you're overestimating Cleveland. Their roster doesn't make sense. But hey, let's see who they bring in as their coach, and if they have the cojones to admit Garland/Spida doesn't work.
I think we're kind of saying the same thing lol... I don't dispute that their roster doesn't make sense as currently constructed but if they make a move to reshuffle it's not going to be to rebuild assuming the reports about Spida staying are true.
Garland and/or Allen can get them some nice pieces back IMO. And I think they'll be a much better team if they make Spida the PG and surround him with some elite role players.
Wildcat wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:Richard4444 wrote:
He barely played as a center. And Thibs loves rim protection and offensive rebounds.
He does play center for them quite a lot - at least when I’ve watched them.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/has-lauri-markkanen-played-center
This made me laugh.
But on the real, you're not worried about his injury history?
spree2kawhi wrote:Wildcat wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:
He does play center for them quite a lot - at least when I’ve watched them.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/has-lauri-markkanen-played-center
This made me laugh.
But on the real, you're not worried about his injury history?
Yeah I know this, but it’s wrong. Especially when they pair him with Collins. Are you worried about Randle’s?
will34 wrote:I could see Philly giving OG the max..plenty of cap room. They need a strong wing and don't seem concerned about guys missing games. Knicks probably losing OG if I had a gun to my head.
douggood wrote:will34 wrote:I could see Philly giving OG the max..plenty of cap room. They need a strong wing and don't seem concerned about guys missing games. Knicks probably losing OG if I had a gun to my head.
will34 wrote:I could see Philly giving OG the max..plenty of cap room. They need a strong wing and don't seem concerned about guys missing games. Knicks probably losing OG if I had a gun to my head.
will34 wrote:douggood wrote:will34 wrote:I could see Philly giving OG the max..plenty of cap room. They need a strong wing and don't seem concerned about guys missing games. Knicks probably losing OG if I had a gun to my head.
Could be posturing to get NYK to offer more but NYK have to be careful. You can't max him and if Philly will, thanks for January.
mpharris36 wrote:will34 wrote:douggood wrote:
Could be posturing to get NYK to offer more but NYK have to be careful. You can't max him and if Philly will, thanks for January.
I think its just posturing, big time players don't have injury related clauses in there contracts and the Knicks may want some protection but they aren't going to get it. They really aren't negotiation from a position of strength...if don't resign OG they aren't a top 4 team in the conference and they don't have a way to replace his production.
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GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:will34 wrote:
Could be posturing to get NYK to offer more but NYK have to be careful. You can't max him and if Philly will, thanks for January.
I think its just posturing, big time players don't have injury related clauses in there contracts and the Knicks may want some protection but they aren't going to get it. They really aren't negotiation from a position of strength...if don't resign OG they aren't a top 4 team in the conference and they don't have a way to replace his production.
The Knicks will MAX him if they have to, but I'm skeptical that they will have to.
mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I think its just posturing, big time players don't have injury related clauses in there contracts and the Knicks may want some protection but they aren't going to get it. They really aren't negotiation from a position of strength...if don't resign OG they aren't a top 4 team in the conference and they don't have a way to replace his production.
The Knicks will MAX him if they have to, but I'm skeptical that they will have to.
Agreed on both parts...I just don't think they are going to get injury stipulation (games played) incentives in his contract. Agents of a bigger name player isn't going to put his player in a situation to try to rush back from an injury to hit games played clauses to unlock certain incentives. OG is a big enough FA with enough suitors where he won't have to sign that type of contract.
I think it will be a big deal (not the max) but I think it gets done its just the agent pushing back to remove those injury incentives out of his contract because a team trying to steal him wont be able to put that in either.