Improvements for Next Year

[arkuo]

I'd say THJ and Powell are must go. They are absolute negative assets.

Maxi semi-must go. Maxi is turning to be a negative asset real quick.

Green will be traded only for an upgrade for us. Green is not really a negative asset.

Players from the old regime - THJ, Powell, Kleber all have to hang it up by now.

However, only THJ has an expiring deal. Im afraid Kleber and Powell will be back.

[Baz]

Agree with the sentiments in this thread re: moving on from the old guard. I think Lively needs to become our starting center. Gafford is a good asset to bring back a defensive wing. But I don't think we should jump at changing much about this team. Run it back for the most part. Lively will improve. Luka needs to work hard in the off-season to keep improving as well.

[BeiBeau]

Improvements Dallas needs to make,

1. Dallas needs to improve their shooting more than anything. They need someone who is absolutely deadly from outside, Josh and Exum can’t be our best shooters.

2. Internal improvement from Lively, Hardy, OMax, and maybe Josh is something we need.

3. A 3rd shot creator who is not a guard.

4. A 3rd ball handler.

Get rid of THJ.

[arkuo]

Improvements Dallas needs to make,

1. Dallas needs to improve their shooting more than anything. They need someone who is absolutely deadly from outside, Josh and Exum can’t be our best shooters.

2. Internal improvement from Lively, Hardy, OMax, and maybe Josh is something we need.

3. A 3rd shot creator who is not a guard.

4. A 3rd ball handler.

Get rid of THJ.

I'd find a trade partner that would take in Kyrie for an equally big piece that would be sent to BKN to give Dallas Mikal Bridges. One move that solves a lot of things while Kyrie's trade value is at its highest. Probably the highest it will ever be IMO. Something in the lines of: Kyrie to LAC. PG13 to BKN. Mikal Bridges to Dallas.

Sign DSJ as backup point guard off the bench. He's nicely carved a name for himself as a good defensive point guard today.

THJ + Green + Hardy for Jerami Grant

C - Lively / Gafford
PF - Washington / Kleber
SF - Grant / Omax
SG - Bridges / Exum
PG - Doncic / DSJ

Run it back.

[41Dirk41]

DJJ and PJ are too bad rebounders for their position, we need an upgrade there.

We badly need a coach too.

[joesha1698]

Improvements Dallas needs to make,

1. Dallas needs to improve their shooting more than anything. They need someone who is absolutely deadly from outside, Josh and Exum can’t be our best shooters.

2. Internal improvement from Lively, Hardy, OMax, and maybe Josh is something we need.

3. A 3rd shot creator who is not a guard.

4. A 3rd ball handler.

Get rid of THJ.

I'd find a trade partner that would take in Kyrie for an equally big piece that would be sent to BKN to give Dallas Mikal Bridges. One move that solves a lot of things while Kyrie's trade value is at its highest. Probably the highest it will ever be IMO. Something in the lines of: Kyrie to LAC. PG13 to BKN. Mikal Bridges to Dallas.

Sign DSJ as backup point guard off the bench. He's nicely carved a name for himself as a good defensive point guard today.

THJ + Green + Hardy for Jerami Grant

C - Lively / Gafford
PF - Washington / Kleber
SF - Grant / Omax
SG - Bridges / Exum
PG - Doncic / DSJ

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[joesha1698]

I'd find a trade partner that would take in Kyrie for an equally big piece that would be sent to BKN to give Dallas Mikal Bridges. One move that solves a lot of things while Kyrie's trade value is at its highest. Probably the highest it will ever be IMO. Something in the lines of: Kyrie to LAC. PG13 to BKN. Mikal Bridges to Dallas.

Sign DSJ as backup point guard off the bench. He's nicely carved a name for himself as a good defensive point guard today.

THJ + Green + Hardy for Jerami Grant

C - Lively / Gafford
PF - Washington / Kleber
SF - Grant / Omax
SG - Bridges / Exum
PG - Doncic / DSJ

What you posted about trading Kyrie makes zero sense. The Nets are not giving up Bridges to overpay an older Paul George when they have turned down numerous offers and 1st round picks for him. You got to the finals in a year and half season with Kyrie and Luka. The Mavs simply overachieved and we should be proud of every member of this team. Boston was simply the better team (who had more experience while adding two allstar level players this year) which made them the best overall team in the league this year. The experience this group got in the Finals is very valuable and will help them going forward. Like every team, Dallas has to improve as a team in order to win it all next year. You do not do that by trading one of your biggest assets. This Dallas team is prime to win next year and possibly go back 2 back if they make the right decisions in the off-season.[/quote]

[arkuo]

I'd find a trade partner that would take in Kyrie for an equally big piece that would be sent to BKN to give Dallas Mikal Bridges. One move that solves a lot of things while Kyrie's trade value is at its highest. Probably the highest it will ever be IMO. Something in the lines of: Kyrie to LAC. PG13 to BKN. Mikal Bridges to Dallas.

Sign DSJ as backup point guard off the bench. He's nicely carved a name for himself as a good defensive point guard today.

THJ + Green + Hardy for Jerami Grant

C - Lively / Gafford
PF - Washington / Kleber
SF - Grant / Omax
SG - Bridges / Exum
PG - Doncic / DSJ

What you posted about trading Kyrie makes zero sense. The Nets are not giving up Bridges to overpay an older Paul George when they have turned down numerous offers and 1st round picks for him. You got to the finals in a year and half season with Kyrie and Luka. The Mavs simply overachieved and we should be proud of every member of this team. Boston was simply the better team (who had more experience while adding two allstar level players this year) which made them the best overall team in the league this year. The experience this group got in the Finals is very valuable and will help them going forward. Like every team, Dallas has to improve as a team in order to win it all next year. You do not do that by trading one of your biggest assets. This Dallas team is prime to win next year and possibly go back 2 back if they make the right decisions in the off-season.

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Perhaps you're right.

Although it's been seen this playoffs how Kyrie has had difficulty with big defenders. From OKC, to Minnesota and now to Boston, he's having difficulty scoring when guarded by a bigger defender. His quickness will eventually wane in his 30s. Next year or a back to back finals apperances isn't a given as success isnt always measured in a linear manner given other factors. So if you could trade Kyrie, at his highest value, for a better fitting star like Mikal Bridges, I think you have to do it despite the sentimental attachments to Kyrie. If Dallas can trade or let Michael Finley walk when he got old, people will get over trading Kyrie too if it means improving the team overall.

For the record, I'd have a different opinion if I saw Kyrie being able to take on bigger defenders during the OKC, Minnesota and Boston series. But he just has difficulty with that it seems.

[joesha1698]

DJJ and PJ are too bad rebounders for their position, we need an upgrade there.

We badly need a coach too.

I generally feel good abt Jason Kidd. I think earlier in the year he just didn't have the horses. Powell starting at center as an example of that. Luka (mostly) defensive woes. We wouldn't have made it this far w/o Gafford and PJ. He also made a great decision putting DJJ in the starting lineup. Overall, I would give Jason Kidd a B to B+ as a coach.


I think what happens this off-season will have a lot to do with us being back in the finals next year. We have to address our starting SF issue. We have to address the inconsistency with some of our players. We have to develop PJ as a legit 3rd scoring threat and initiator in my opinion.

I think our offense needs to have more pace, quicker decisions by Luka (mostly) and at times (Kyrie) and we need an offense where the others are use to scoring and making their own decisions with pace - so we do not get into the finals again and guys are overly dependent on Luka (mostly) and also Kyrie.

[joesha1698]

What you posted about trading Kyrie makes zero sense. The Nets are not giving up Bridges to overpay an older Paul George when they have turned down numerous offers and 1st round picks for him. You got to the finals in a year and half season with Kyrie and Luka. The Mavs simply overachieved and we should be proud of every member of this team. Boston was simply the better team (who had more experience while adding two allstar level players this year) which made them the best overall team in the league this year. The experience this group got in the Finals is very valuable and will help them going forward. Like every team, Dallas has to improve as a team in order to win it all next year. You do not do that by trading one of your biggest assets. This Dallas team is prime to win next year and possibly go back 2 back if they make the right decisions in the off-season.

Perhaps you're right.

Although it's been seen this playoffs how Kyrie has had difficulty with big defenders. From OKC, to Minnesota and now to Boston, he's having difficulty scoring when guarded by a bigger defender. His quickness will eventually wane in his 30s. Next year or a back to back finals apperances isn't a given as success isnt always measured in a linear manner given other factors. So if you could trade Kyrie, at his highest value, for a better fitting star like Mikal Bridges, I think you have to do it despite the sentimental attachments to Kyrie. If Dallas can trade or let Michael Finley walk when he got old, people will get over trading Kyrie too if it means improving the team overall.

For the record, I'd have a different opinion if I saw Kyrie being able to take on bigger defenders during the OKC, Minnesota and Boston series. But he just has difficulty with that it seems.

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Kyrie shouldn't go anywhere and it has nothing to do with sentimental value. You simply cannot keep trading your core pieces and expect to win it all. How many times did Tatum and Brown lose before they won the chip this year? And if we're being honest, they won because the Celtics kept upgrading the team year after year.

As for Kyrie - let's look at the numbers:

Clippers - 26.5ppg - 51% and 45% from the 3.
OKC - 15.7ppg, -44% and 42.3% from 3.
Minny - 27ppg,49% and 38% from 3.
Boston - 19.8ppg, 41%, and 28% from 3.



The problem is the style of play. Your basically asking Kyrie at 32 years old to go one on one all game long in this Luka Ball style of offense. Remember, Luka is 25 years old uses the pick and roll (probably 80-90%) of the time b/c he doesn't have the quickness to consistently beat his man off the dribble. You have asked Kyrie to change his game to fit into a style that Luka needs to play to be successful. The difference is, Kyrie is doing it as someone 7 years older and 5 inches shorter. The pace that Luka likes to play at makes Kyrie job that much harder because he's older and shorter. Kyrie's numbers will fluctuate when the ball is being slowed down in the half court (of very tiring playoff games) where younger/longer defenders negate his dribble and quickness advantage thanks to the slower pace/congested lane.

After all that being said, Kyrie played masterfully in the Clippers series and to some degree in the OKC series because he did other things to help this team win when the scoring opportunities where limited. What Dallas ( Jason Kidd, in particular) has to do next year is use Kyrie Irving differently. The Kyrie Irving that can break down defenses should be used versus slower teams that cannot guard the pick and roll but against more athletic teams that switch - Kyrie should be used off the ball as a catch and shoot threat ala Jason Terry-ish. This is how you still allow Luka to play at his pace at times without limiting Kyrie Irving's game.

I'm probably a Kyrie (homer) so I'm not saying this b/c I'm afraid Kyrie Irving will be traded. I'm saying this because you will not find a player as good as Kyrie for what Mavs got him for these next 2 years. If the Mavs trade him, it will be a BIG MISTAKE, IMO. It will hurt the chemistry of this TEAM and its highly unlikely that you will find another guy that can come in here and gel with Luka this fast.

[fuller4379]

Great season. Luka's help disappeared in the finals. It is a tough road in the Western Conference to make the finals.

Next year will will have Washington and Gafford for the entire season. That should help. The only rotation player that is out of contract is Derrick Jones Jr. Hopefully, we can get him signed. It isn't going to be easy though since we do not have Bird Rights on him. Maybe we can add a veteran player who wants to help contribute to a championship contender. I would say our biggest need is a backup point guard to take some minutes off Luka. He needs to be fresher when coming into the post season.

[arkuo]

There are reports that OG Anunoby is not happy with the Knicks offer and is willing to check the free agent market.

[blueberrysticky]

I mainly want to see the offense change. If Luka can’t make heliocentric work(getting to the finals was close yes) no one can.

Off ball more inside the 3pt line and occasionally on the perimeter in his spots. Should he touch the ball on most possessions ..yeah. But quick pace

We need to advance past our normal slow pace -> Luka creates->everyone else being just a play finisher if they collapse on Luka

I miss watching the mavs offense of old. We need more movement and more attackers and more deadly shooters.


We lost the finals on the offensive end

[BliscoSantos]

I mainly want to see the offense change. If Luka can’t make heliocentric work(getting to the finals was close yes) no one can.

Off ball more inside the 3pt line and occasionally on the perimeter in his spots. Should he touch the ball on most possessions ..yeah. But quick pace

We need to advance past our normal slow pace -> Luka creates->everyone else being just a play finisher if they collapse on Luka

I miss watching the mavs offense of old. We need more movement and more attackers and more deadly shooters.


We lost the finals on the offensive end

Yeah, I'd like for them to Play Kidd's defense with Carlisle's tempo on O,faster pace...Indy gave Boston some problema with that pace

Luka is great bit I do believe sliming down would make him better...he would have been more usefull on D and harder to guard on O...Bubble Luka is still mu favorite version of a Player,when he could still blow by a defender

[Archx]

Great season. Luka's help disappeared in the finals. It is a tough road in the Western Conference to make the finals.

Didn't Kyrie average 14 ppg? First two games Mavs collective unit scored 5 3's while Luka had 9 in that span. Game 3 was on him more or less, other than that, Kyrie has been a massive letdown.

The only rotation player that is out of contract is Derrick Jones Jr. Hopefully, we can get him signed. It isn't going to be easy though since we do not have Bird Rights on him.

They'll use part of MLE on him probably.

[joesha1698]

Great season. Luka's help disappeared in the finals. It is a tough road in the Western Conference to make the finals.

Didn't Kyrie average 14 ppg? First two games Mavs collective unit scored 5 3's while Luka had 9 in that span. Game 3 was on him more or less, other than that, Kyrie has been a massive letdown.

The only rotation player that is out of contract is Derrick Jones Jr. Hopefully, we can get him signed. It isn't going to be easy though since we do not have Bird Rights on him.

They'll use part of MLE on him probably.

The Mavs simply were not as good as the Celtics. You can nitpick all you want. Our offense has to feature more people and more ball movement...it cannot just be about Luka dominating the ball and then we're surprised when other guys are not use to making plays in big games.

We should develop PJ Washington as a legit 3rd option that can push the ball and make plays ala Draymon Green.

[Archx]

Great season. Luka's help disappeared in the finals. It is a tough road in the Western Conference to make the finals.

Didn't Kyrie average 14 ppg? First two games Mavs collective unit scored 5 3's while Luka had 9 in that span. Game 3 was on him more or less, other than that, Kyrie has been a massive letdown.

The only rotation player that is out of contract is Derrick Jones Jr. Hopefully, we can get him signed. It isn't going to be easy though since we do not have Bird Rights on him.

They'll use part of MLE on him probably.

The Mavs simply were not as good as the Celtics. You can nitpick all you want. Our offense has to feature more people and more ball movement...it cannot just be about Luka dominating the ball and then we're surprised when other guys are not use to making plays in big games.

We should develop PJ Washington as a legit 3rd option that can push the ball and make plays ala Draymon Green.

Coaches come up with offensive and defensive schemes, not players. Kyrie averaging 19.8ppg on 41% shooting (27% from 3) as a 2nd option was far from ideal. Luka had to shoulder even more pressure on offense and he couldn't do it to full extend due to various injuries.

Yeah, we can nitpick, if as a team you score 5 total 3's in two games and Luka alone scores 9, then there is something fundamentally wrong.
PJ can not be a reliable 3rd option, he's more or less DFS clone with better handles and probably slightly better defense. I'm expecting Lively to make the next step, but we'll see.

[Mr B]

A lot of you guys are talking about what will the Mavs do in free agency or at the trade deadline but I really have a feeling they are going to make a trade or two during the draft. Not for a rookie but for a vet or two. Teams will likely be looking to dump players and the Mavs have some very tradeable contracts.

There have been rumors that the Mavs have an interest in Bronny too. I doubt anything becomes of that but if it does and the Mavs draft Bronny, I would fully expect them to be looking to add Labron.

[41Dirk41]

I mainly want to see the offense change. If Luka can’t make heliocentric work(getting to the finals was close yes) no one can.

Off ball more inside the 3pt line and occasionally on the perimeter in his spots. Should he touch the ball on most possessions ..yeah. But quick pace

We need to advance past our normal slow pace -> Luka creates->everyone else being just a play finisher if they collapse on Luka

I miss watching the mavs offense of old. We need more movement and more attackers and more deadly shooters.


We lost the finals on the offensive end

You need a good offensive coach to do that... Not Kidd for sure.

[tleikheen]

You start with your 3 main players , Luka ,Kyrie & Lively /Gaff . Lively /Gaff as the 3rd player because together they have the potential to be 22/17 player every night .

PJ and DJJ had their moments but are they key players going forward. Defensively they were better than they were offensively. Nothing wrong having defensive wings and adding OMax would give Dallas 3 young athletic perimeter defenders.

In the spot light of the finals ,Dante Exum shot 7/10 from the field and 4/6 from 3 pts. yet JKidd played Green,THJ,& JHardy above him ,none of them ball handlers which the Mavs needed the most.

Mavs need to move past Kleber and THJ so Kidd has to play the guys who actually perform on the court over personal favorites of Kidd's.

I like both Green and Hardy as young pieces BUT they might have to be used as sweeteners in a trade to add a more established player going along the timeline of Luka.

Proposed trade : PJ Washington (6'7" 25 y o) $16 .8 mil , Josh Green (6'5"/ 23 y o) $13 mil , Jaden Hardy ( 6'3" 21 y o) $1.7 mil
for
Michael Porter Jr (6'10" 25 y o) $33 mil

Why: MPJ is used behind Jamal Murray & Jokic where PJ moves into MPJ's spot.Green is insurance if KCP moves on and Hardy replaces Reggie Jackson

For the Mavs , MPJ is 25 yrs old and one of the top 3 pt shooters in the NBA and 6'10 who rebounds and blocks shots . O Max and Exum slide into fill in the rotation spots opened.

Center : DLively 7'1" 20 y o /Gafford 6'10" 25 y o
PF : Michael Porter Jr 6'10" 25 y o
Guard : Exum 6'5" 28 y o
Guard : Kyrie 6'2" 32 y o
Guard : Luka 6'7" 25 y o