Atlanta Hawks win #1 Pick in 2024 Draft Lottery

[jayu70]

Sarr is being compared to Jaren Jackson Jr by many of you here on the forum and in articles.

JJJ has a career average of 5.5 rebounds per game. His career high in a game is 13.

That's not impressive at all.

Yeah. And that is the largest concern for Sarr.

The lack of physicality leads to low rebounding totals, sub par screening, ineffective post play, inconsistent finishing.

His size and man defense will keep him in the league. But he's got to get stronger/tougher.

Can we afford to wait that long?

We should. It's not about just next season, it's also what the long term outlook is. You need to build sustained longevity.
Less about him as one individual, but more about how the totality of the rest of the roster is remade.

[Jamaaliver]

Yeah. And that is the largest concern for Sarr.

His size and man defense will keep him in the league. But he's got to get stronger/tougher.

Can we afford to wait that long?

I can

We should. It's not about just next season, it's also what the long term outlook is. You need to build sustained longevity.
Less about him as one individual, but more about how the totality of the rest of the roster is remade.

There is nothing wrong with this approach.

But it is more akin to a rebuild if we're suddenly focused on waiting for teenaged draft prospects to develop.

[tbhawksfan1]

Yeah. And that is the largest concern for Sarr.

His size and man defense will keep him in the league. But he's got to get stronger/tougher.

Can we afford to wait that long?

I can

We should. It's not about just next season, it's also what the long term outlook is. You need to build sustained longevity.
Less about him as one individual, but more about how the totality of the rest of the roster is remade.

There is nothing wrong with this approach.

But it is more akin to a rebuild if we're suddenly focused on waiting for teenaged draft prospects to develop.

Always take the best talent. Make trades to fix the roster. I want the Hawks to win 50 games this season and I want to draft Sarr to try to win 60 games in a couple of years

[jayu70]

Yeah. And that is the largest concern for Sarr.

His size and man defense will keep him in the league. But he's got to get stronger/tougher.

Can we afford to wait that long?

I can

We should. It's not about just next season, it's also what the long term outlook is. You need to build sustained longevity.
Less about him as one individual, but more about how the totality of the rest of the roster is remade.

There is nothing wrong with this approach.

But it is more akin to a rebuild if we're suddenly focused on waiting for teenaged draft prospects to develop.

It really isn't. The Hawks aren't a typical rebuild team that tanked to get the highest draft pick possible with not much else on the roster.
I view it the same as if we were picking at #10. Everyone is saying 'flat draft, no stars, no tiers, blah blah blah. So it really shouldn't matter then.
My stance has not changed when we jumped to #1, I just thought we'd get a more talented player than at #10 to supplement the existing roster.
The changes to the existing roster needed to be front and center for the team to take the next step.

[HMFFL]

Sarr is being compared to Jaren Jackson Jr by many of you here on the forum and in articles.

JJJ has a career average of 5.5 rebounds per game. His career high in a game is 13.

That's not impressive at all.

Yeah. And that is the largest concern for Sarr.

The lack of physicality leads to low rebounding totals, sub par screening, ineffective post play, inconsistent finishing.

His size and man defense will keep him in the league. But he's got to get stronger/tougher.

Can we afford to wait that long?

If we want to keep Trae Young we cannot afford to wait. However, I don't expect Zaach to come in, and instantly take over. I do expect Reed Sheppard to be ready day one and others.

[jayu70]

1. True or false: Donovan Clingan is worth the No. 1 pick

Donovan Clingan
UCONN • C • #32
7-2, 280 lbs
PPG
13
RPG
7.4
BPG
2.5

Is a "sure thing" like Donovan Clingan a smarter choice in a bad draft?

Finkelstein: In this draft? True. Clingan is certainly worth exploring and the Hawks are doing just that. The two-time national champ has been in to Atlanta and supposedly had a good workout, which has led to speculation that Atlanta could explore trading down to take him, and picking up another asset in the process. That was essentially Boston's move back in 2017 when everyone thought Fultz should go one, but they liked Tatum. Indiana did something similar last year when they wanted Jarace Walker and moved back a spot to take him, again picking up another asset in the process.

Boone: True. If I'm Atlanta I'm not 100% sure he'd be my pick, to be clear. In fact, I view his teammate Stephon Castle as a higher upside swing worthy of being the top pick ahead of Clingan. But the floor and ceiling case for Clingan is obvious: he's an anchor on the back end of your defense who can change the complexion of how your team defends and plays. Worst-case he's a starting center. Best-case he might be some iteration of Rudy Gobert. With some questions about other top prospects and how their games might fit in the NBA, Clingan presents safety and upside.

Salerno: False. While Clingan is in contention to be the top selection alongside Alex Sarr and Zaccharie Risacher, I don't think he's worth it. Clingan doesn't have the upside of Sarr. The Hawks would be foolish to pass on him. Could Clingan be the No. 1 pick when it's all said and done? Maybe. He's closer to the mid-lottery on my big board because of his lack of versatility. He's a defensive-first big, which is fine if you want to take him in the middle of the lottery (I had him No. 7 in my first mock draft this cycle) but he's not worthy of the top pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-draft-true-or-false-donovan-clingan-worthy-of-no-1-overall-bronny-james-goes-to-lakers-at-no-17/

[HMFFL]

1. True or false: Donovan Clingan is worth the No. 1 pick

Donovan Clingan
UCONN • C • #32
7-2, 280 lbs
PPG
13
RPG
7.4
BPG
2.5

Is a "sure thing" like Donovan Clingan a smarter choice in a bad draft?

Finkelstein: In this draft? True. Clingan is certainly worth exploring and the Hawks are doing just that. The two-time national champ has been in to Atlanta and supposedly had a good workout, which has led to speculation that Atlanta could explore trading down to take him, and picking up another asset in the process. That was essentially Boston's move back in 2017 when everyone thought Fultz should go one, but they liked Tatum. Indiana did something similar last year when they wanted Jarace Walker and moved back a spot to take him, again picking up another asset in the process.

Boone: True. If I'm Atlanta I'm not 100% sure he'd be my pick, to be clear. In fact, I view his teammate Stephon Castle as a higher upside swing worthy of being the top pick ahead of Clingan. But the floor and ceiling case for Clingan is obvious: he's an anchor on the back end of your defense who can change the complexion of how your team defends and plays. Worst-case he's a starting center. Best-case he might be some iteration of Rudy Gobert. With some questions about other top prospects and how their games might fit in the NBA, Clingan presents safety and upside.

Salerno: False. While Clingan is in contention to be the top selection alongside Alex Sarr and Zaccharie Risacher, I don't think he's worth it. Clingan doesn't have the upside of Sarr. The Hawks would be foolish to pass on him. Could Clingan be the No. 1 pick when it's all said and done? Maybe. He's closer to the mid-lottery on my big board because of his lack of versatility. He's a defensive-first big, which is fine if you want to take him in the middle of the lottery (I had him No. 7 in my first mock draft this cycle) but he's not worthy of the top pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-draft-true-or-false-donovan-clingan-worthy-of-no-1-overall-bronny-james-goes-to-lakers-at-no-17/

Sarr is being forced upon the world as the #1pick due to his upside. I have to believe Donovan Clingan would have performed well against thr competition Sarr has faced.

Donovan Clingan is already miles closer to being a hall of famer due to his success at UCONN. I believe his free throw percentage will improve and he's going to be very good.

So, to differ what I have said at times over the course of the last month, I do believe Donovan Clingan is worthy of being the first overall pick.

[jayu70]

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[raleigh]

If we want to keep Trae Young

If Trae doesn't want to be in Atlanta, then he can move on. It's not the end of the universe.

[raleigh]

Sarr is being forced upon the world as the #1pick duento his upside.

No, it's his demonstrated defensive versatility, which is a huge asset in the modern NBA.

[HMFFL]

Sarr is being forced upon the world as the #1pick duento his upside.

No, it's his demonstrated defensive versatility, which is a huge asset in the modern NBA.

Sure it is, if he can rebound, which JJJ is very bad at, and that's the comparison. JJJ is also very overrated and if I'm suppose to respect him he needs consistent numbers.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Sarr is being forced upon the world as the #1pick duento his upside.

No, it's his demonstrated defensive versatility, which is a huge asset in the modern NBA.

Sure it is, if he can rebound, which JJJ is very bad at, and that's the comparison. JJJ is also very overrated and if I'm suppose to respect him he needs consistent numbers.

If a big can win DPOY without being a strong rebounder, then that suggests his overall impact is greater than securing rebounds. If we're getting that, sandwiched between 2 stronger rebounders, then Sarr will be fine. JJJ didn't hurt Memphis from being a top rebounding team in the league when they were healthy the last 2 years.

[jayu70]

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[tbhawksfan1]

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Very surprised that they haven't worked out Sarr and afaIk it isn't scheduled

[HMFFL]

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Good to know.
If we trade back I like all of those players except for Ron Holland.

[HMFFL]

No, it's his demonstrated defensive versatility, which is a huge asset in the modern NBA.

Sure it is, if he can rebound, which JJJ is very bad at, and that's the comparison. JJJ is also very overrated and if I'm suppose to respect him he needs consistent numbers.

If a big can win DPOY without being a strong rebounder, then that suggests his overall impact is greater than securing rebounds. If we're getting that, sandwiched between 2 stronger rebounders, then Sarr will be fine. JJJ didn't hurt Memphis from being a top rebounding team in the league when they were healthy the last 2 years.

Yeah, they only had to sign other player(s) to makeup for JJJ's lack of rebounding. He's a center, centers should be able to rebound the ball, but that's why he's overrated.

Rebound Career Highs:
JJJ 13
Trae 13

[Jamaaliver]

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[tbhawksfan1]

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As I said....strange no work out. Dude lived in ATL for two years prior to Aussie. WTH going on?

Just stop with the crap and take the best talent. Sarr

[Jamaaliver]

This is my take on Clingan to ATL talk:

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