OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[Jeffrey]

OG's comp is Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday. They are both good defenders, starters, 3&D but won't get All-Star nods and the flowers that they deserve.

Jerami Grant 5 years 160m
Jrue Holiday 4 years 134m

35m per year is reasonable

[seren]

CAA propaganda. This is so after his agent Leon Rose gives him a max he can say, "we had no choice!??!?". The Knicks will be capped out, no chance at a title, and the CAA mafia can leech from Hart, i Hart, Randle, OG and Brunson long after they get traded off after Leon is fired. Dolan getting fleeced is funny if the team was actually finals capable.

You realize that Rose gave zero max contracts so far, right? And the names you mentioned just got us a 50 win season.

[Snakebites]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

[seren]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

That would be cap flexibility and most likely opening up cap space unloading Randle. I don’t think it is realistic to be honest. To me losing OG will set us back big time. However, OG is not as good as losing all your cap flexibility either. I am just hoping we keep him at a reasonable salary

[Snakebites]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

That would be cap flexibility and most likely opening up cap space unloading Randle. I don’t think it is realistic to be honest. To me losing OG will set us back big time. However, OG is not as good as losing all your cap flexibility either. I am just hoping we keep him at a reasonable salary

How much cap space could you attain by dealing Randle and letting OG walk?

And who would the targets be?

TBH I don't think keeping him at a salary you'd deem "reasonable" is all that likely a scenario- there are teams that have max cap space like Philly and Orlando (and the Pistons but they're probably plan F). I could be totally wrong though. He seems like the type of player who's price will be driven up.

[douggood]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

That would be cap flexibility and most likely opening up cap space unloading Randle. I don’t think it is realistic to be honest. To me losing OG will set us back big time. However, OG is not as good as losing all your cap flexibility either. I am just hoping we keep him at a reasonable salary

How much cap space could you attain by dealing Randle and letting OG walk?

And who would the targets be?

TBH I don't think keeping him at a salary you'd deem "reasonable" is all that likely a scenario- there are teams that have max cap space like Philly and Orlando (and the Pistons but they're probably plan F). I could be totally wrong though. He seems like the type of player who's price will be driven up.

60-65 mil, if ihart, og walk, and randle is traded into cap space.

[HarthorneWingo]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

OG is represented by Leon’s son. This better get done. OG had success in NYC and the playoffs when he played. I’ll be shocked if the Knicks don’t sign him

[nykballa2k4]

OG's comp is Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday. They are both good defenders, starters, 3&D but won't get All-Star nods and the flowers that they deserve.

Jerami Grant 5 years 160m
Jrue Holiday 4 years 134m

35m per year is reasonable

Hard to compare him because I would have him as probably better than both, but he is never really available.

In this new economy, 35 is probably fair (I mean we see max players pulling in 50)

i do think that overall, teams are going to be more mindful of the cap than before so players and their expectations will have to adjust.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

OG's comp is Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday. They are both good defenders, starters, 3&D but won't get All-Star nods and the flowers that they deserve.

Jerami Grant 5 years 160m
Jrue Holiday 4 years 134m

35m per year is reasonable

He's younger than Jrue and much better than Grant. It may seem like $35 million is reasonable, but that's complicated by the fact the Sixers have caproom and are desperate.

[F N 11]

Knicks offseason will be crazy. We won’t have the same team.

[KOA]

Biggest issue is that the Knicks have 0 leverage. OG knows that they traded a lot to get him and that he can easily get big $$$ from a team like Philly,

If injuries weren’t a concern I’m sure it would be a much easier conversation.

[8516knicks]

Just curious, what if we do sign OG to his preferred number but Leon's got a backup plan to deal him in a trade for a STAR?

Would OG, Randle and Mitch bring a BIG STAR we want (not a KAT/Levine wannabe)? It's a pretty decent front line when they are healthy.

If Phoenix or Milwaukee want to tear down without starting over would that grab their interest Or the Lakers?

[DOT]

OG's comp is Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday. They are both good defenders, starters, 3&D but won't get All-Star nods and the flowers that they deserve.

Jerami Grant 5 years 160m
Jrue Holiday 4 years 134m

35m per year is reasonable

He's younger than Jrue and much better than Grant. It may seem like $35 million is reasonable, but that's complicated by the fact the Sixers have caproom and are desperate.

And we should be too

Seriously, you gotta pay OG at this point. Even if he misses a ton of time, the opportunity cost of not paying him is immense. It'd be one thing if it would free up cap space, but it won't. If we let everybody walk, renounce all the FAs, decline Bojan's option, and trade out of the draft, we would have $39 million in cap space, but only 6 players (Brunson, DDV, Hart, Randle, Mitch, and Deuce), so we could sign a star in that scenario but then we'd have to fill out 8 spots with minimum contract guys

Feasibly, there's no path to improving the team if OG doesn't re-sign. The negotiations should be short, ask him what he wants, and then give it to him.

[Reign23]

the fear would be that a team like Philly throws the max at thim because they strike out on others. he is great and I want him to stay, but if we give him close to a max, we're ****.

[LookToShoot]

I predicted this last month. The Knicks need to move contracts if they want to keep OG, because he's not taking a pay cut.

OKC and San Antonio will pursue him.

[spree8]

OG's comp is Jerami Grant and Jrue Holiday. They are both good defenders, starters, 3&D but won't get All-Star nods and the flowers that they deserve.

Jerami Grant 5 years 160m
Jrue Holiday 4 years 134m

35m per year is reasonable

He's younger than Jrue and much better than Grant. It may seem like $35 million is reasonable, but that's complicated by the fact the Sixers have caproom and are desperate.

And we should be too

Seriously, you gotta pay OG at this point. Even if he misses a ton of time, the opportunity cost of not paying him is immense. It'd be one thing if it would free up cap space, but it won't. If we let everybody walk, renounce all the FAs, decline Bojan's option, and trade out of the draft, we would have $39 million in cap space, but only 6 players (Brunson, DDV, Hart, Randle, Mitch, and Deuce), so we could sign a star in that scenario but then we'd have to fill out 8 spots with minimum contract guys

Feasibly, there's no path to improving the team if OG doesn't re-sign. The negotiations should be short, ask him what he wants, and then give it to him.

1: You didn’t account for cap holds which are about $1,276,599 each for the remaining open roster spots. Closer to 30 mil to offer a player after that.

2: Didn’t account for the Room Exception which is 8 mil

3: Didn’t account for the Bi-Annual Exception which is 4.7 mil

[spree8]

If there’s any truth to these rumors (which I doubt), I’m not sure why they wouldn’t just give him what he wants and then look to trade him at the deadline if they were that unwilling to keep him at his price.

[NoStatsGuy]

If there’s any truth to these rumors (which I doubt), I’m not sure why they wouldn’t just give him what he wants and then look to trade him at the deadline if they were that unwilling to keep him at his price.

apparently (if the rumors are true) OGs stance also changed, its not just the knicks. if i remember correctly there were reports about OG saying he would take a paycut with us. That would be a reason to still trade for him.

Things can change super quick. Maybe OG doesnt like our medical staff or whatever, maybe he just feels like testing open market, when he didnt feel like it half a year ago.
Thats a risk GMs have to accept. And the hesitation to give him what he wants probably also is dependant on other opportunities or things we wanna go for. and have to consider

Imagine signing OG to a 50per max, giving randle an extension, signing ihart and then all of a sudden KD, Embiid or whichever other maxguy wants to sign/get traded here. cant throw around our money like that. I think the pace and aggressiveness is gonna pick up after draft day, when it comes to trades and deals.

[god shammgod]

The truth is if we keep him at a near max he’ll be overpaid and if we let him walk we’re screwed. There’s no winning this.

[moocow007]

What is the path forward as a contender without him?

Just curious what the Knicks fans saying "no" would say to that.

That would be cap flexibility and most likely opening up cap space unloading Randle. I don’t think it is realistic to be honest. To me losing OG will set us back big time. However, OG is not as good as losing all your cap flexibility either. I am just hoping we keep him at a reasonable salary

How much cap space could you attain by dealing Randle and letting OG walk?

And who would the targets be?

TBH I don't think keeping him at a salary you'd deem "reasonable" is all that likely a scenario- there are teams that have max cap space like Philly and Orlando (and the Pistons but they're probably plan F). I could be totally wrong though. He seems like the type of player who's price will be driven up.

The Knicks aren't going to offload Randle for cap flexibility lol.