2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[keevsnick1]

Listening to the Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie he really likes Baylor Scheierman as a wing fit in the draft for Boston, and Kyle Filipowski as a big man fit although he thinks its most likely he's off the board by 30.

That seems about right to me. Like I said I'd like to get Holmes, guy seems like a great fit. But Filipowski is a nice fit as well.

[redslastlaugh]

Bill Simmons podcast clip on Reddit says growing buzz of Bronny James going first round to Phoenix..
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1dj1se6/bill_simmons_i_think_bronny_is_gonna_go_in_the/

I really hope so. I hope Bronny goes 22 and also Justin Edwards goes 24 or 25 to the Knicks.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I hate the Search Function here. I was going to crow about the fact that I mentioned Baylor last year,
but can't find the reference.

Yeah, Baylor can shoot and rebound at an above NBA level, so a no brainier. The Big Question: does he last until 30? Maybe not,
so Stevens should go against form and trade up for him.

Tyler Kolek, whom I mentioned earlier and compared to Dragic would be another solid addition, but he likely goes before 30.

I love Filipowski as a better Zach Collins, and would have no problem with the Cs trading up for him. In fact, they should...

I saw that Topic is dropping because of two knee issues, so the possibility of moving up for him, is intriguing...

I want Stevens to eschew his past strategies and go for quality over quantity and move up in the Draft.
Bergeron and Davidson are busts, Walsh is still years away, but I can't blame him for Madar, because
that was Ainge's last pick I believe.

Springer, Walsh, 2024 & 2026 Firsts, the good 2025 Second... these should be all Trade possibilities to move up
and acquire someone who can have a solid impact next season.

The Future is very much now...

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

If Bronny goes to the Suns, I very much think LeBore would ditch the Lakers and glom himself
on to another Super Team. The Suns, would likely have to move out Beal and several of whatever Firsts they have remaining to
dump his salary to afford LeBore, but this is the NBA and these things happen.

[165bows]

-A wing. I think a wing who can not only shoot but also *create* shots, for themself and others would be ideal. I just think that so much of the shot creation burden falls on the Jays. Off the bench, everyone (for the most part) is either shooting specialist or a defensive specialist. We don't really have a "wing scorer" / shot creator specialist. And I think sometimes that causes our offense (when the bench unit is in) to be kind of stagnant and can have some stretches where the buckets are hard to come by. And then the other team goes on a run, or we have to put 1 (or both) of the Jays back in..and they don't end up getting enough rest, so then they're less effective/efficient when they're in the game.

Also, Hauser lacks strength, speed and athleticism. Pritchard lacks size and athleticism. Both of them sometimes struggle with on ball defense.

So a wing who can shoot, create, and has more strength/speed/athleticism would be nice.

Who's that guy? Could be someone like Terrence Shannon Jr, Jaylen Wells, Jaylon Tyson, Nikola Djurisic, Ja'Kobe Walter. Off the top of my head, those are the main ones I think of. Perhaps Kevin McCullar Jr as well. Before they decided to return to college, I would've included Hunter Sallis and jamir Watkins in there.

Doesn't seem like Brad wants this type of guy though, since we didn't really have anyone like this on this year's team off the bench (unless you maybe count Banton but his shooting was not good enough so I don't really count him for this) and we haven't had any of these guys in for a pre-draft workout.

Brad Stevens has been pretty vocal about his priority being finding guys that can play next to the Jays and elevate their games. So it makes sense that he hasn't spent a lot of time trying to find lesser versions of Tatum and Brown because then you get too much skill set overlap and it's harder to build coherent lineups with that guy on the floor next to Tatum and Brown. And if he can't play with those guys then he is going to be very limited in terms of the contributions he can make to the team. Probably to the point where it doesn't really make sense to use an asset to acquire him.

I think there is real value in finding a guy that can guard wings effectively because you don't want to ask Tatum and Brown to wear themselves out guarding the best scorer on the other team or Holiday and White to guard up too much during the regular season. So a defense first wing that can space the floor and ideally drive a closeout can make sense on this roster (and I think that's what they see in Walsh). But another score first wing ? I really don't think it's at the top of the Celtics priorities nor should it be.

Yeah the scoring wing doesn't seem to be on their priority list. I do think what they like in that mold is the type of guy that doesn't just score but has some PG-like attributes. Basically a solid 2-guard size player that could almost play point but also almost guard threes. See eg Svi, or Malcolm Brogdon. So I think if they go wing it will be more in that mold than the classic scoring 2-3.

Personally I'd like to see them go after one of the bigger, more versatile forwards. I'd say stretch 4 but the versatility on the defensive end might be more important even than the shooting. Someone in the Freeman, Ledee, Dunn mold, bring some real size and athleticism/physicality into the mix.

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I liked him in a brief look, but since this post + Boston having him in for a workout, makes me want to take a bigger look RIGHT NOW!!

There you go my man.

https://open.substack.com/pub/edemirnba/p/baylor-scheierman-scouting-report?r=99bc3&utm_medium=ios

Impressive breakdown.. seems like a gamer as well. Tough Gritty and cocky in good way. Certainly looks to do more than just shoot ALA Hauser. I don't mind him being older as well.

Yeah, Scheierman is good. I have him ranked as the 21st best prospect in this class. My only questions with him are:

a) I doubt we keep our 1st round pick

b) even if we keep it, there's a good chance he'll be gone by then

c) I don't really see a path for him to get much real rotation mins, as long as Hauser is on this team. If Brad thinks that Hauser will be gone in a year (because we're not gonna want to spend all that $ on Hauser's next contract, along with all the $ we already have tied to our other guys) then maybe they just say, "ok, we got 1 more year of Hauser. Let's draft Scheierman and use the 24-25 season to groom him (most of his reps in the G league) to take over Hauser's role in the 25-26 season.

If that's the case, then sure, make the pick. But if not - if Brad is thinking that Hauser will be signing here long term and staying here long term, I wouldn't be wild about using such a valuable asset (1st round pick) on a guy who doesn't have much of a path to get real rotation mins.

Yes, I know that Scheierman appears to have more handles, more of an off the dribble game, more playmaking ability than Hauser but the bottom line is, they're both 6'7"/6'8" guys who lack athleticism, lack strength and are also limited on defense (Hauser has issues on D sometimes and Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser) so it'd be hard to play them at the same time.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics will keep the 30th pick, it's their only way to add any potential talent. Guys like Horford, Hauser, Pritchard could be gone in a few years. Celtics need guys that can step in.

Guys like Queta, Walsh, Springer, 30th pick etc. are going to be important.

[brackdan70]

Listening to the Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie he really likes Baylor Scheierman as a wing fit in the draft for Boston, and Kyle Filipowski as a big man fit although he thinks its most likely he's off the board by 30.

That seems about right to me. Like I said I'd like to get Holmes, guy seems like a great fit. But Filipowski is a nice fit as well.

Holmes or Flipowski would be a great draft imo.

[CelticsPride18]

The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

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So rumor has it we worked out 6 guys yesterday. The only guys I am seeing that got added to the list of guys we have worked out that are posted publicly on the internet are:

Marcus Domask, Illinois
Kyle Rode, Liberty

2 fringe guys who will likely go undrafted.

This tells me that the other 4 guys, either declined to attend the workout, or their identity has not yet been made public..or their identity will remain private (not all workouts get reported publicly, a lot of them - especially workouts by projected 1st round picks - stay under wraps).

Not gonna lie, I'm mildly disappointed..was kind of hoping to check one of the "workout tracker" sites and see at least 1 high profile name on there for us (someone like Shannon, Flip, Tyson, Holmes, etc. )

I'm also kind of surprised we haven't had Ighodaro (or even Bona) in for a workout..but again, not all workouts get reported..

[phincsfan]

If Stevens sticks to the gameplan of moving around for more picks while targeting somebody in the 2nd rd, I like Keshad Johnson's game. He worked out for Denver, GS and Miami plus others. I pay attention when certain teams look at certain players.

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The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

What exactly does it say about that?

I don't pay for an ESPN insider account.

Dadiet is interesting. I think he's a 1st round (late 1st round..currently 28th on my big board) caliber prospect based on:
-6'9" wing
-Can shoot
-Can also put it on the floor and create a little bit, has some passing chops
-Decent athleticism
-Was a contributor for a playoff team in one of the top pro leagues in the world at age 18
-Not a terrible defender. Most of his issues on D are off ball, like will get caught ball watching sometimes, lose his man, get beat back door but that kind of stuff is fixable with coaching and reps..especially w/ a kid who's only 18
-Good cutter, always moving when he doesn't have the ball

Really the only downside is:
-Kind of a jack of all trades, master of none type of guy. Decent athleticism, pretty good shooter, decent defense, decent creation ability and playmaking..but not great in any area..will he be good enough at any specific thing to get rotation mins on a team as good as Boston?
-Only had a usage % of 18.4 this season. As I posted about earlier in the thread, most good players in the league right now had a usage % higher than that prior to getting drafted..

If we take him at 30, I'd say it's a good (but not great) pick. Somewhere in the 30-40 range, I would take him. If we could manage to trade down, draft Dadiet in like the 34-40 range..that'd be even better (save $, acquire assets in the trade, not a guaranteed 1st round contract so we'd have flexibility to put him on a 2-way or even stash him overseas for a year or 2 if he's not quite ready or if there's not enough playing time available for him yet

Also, does Brad have the balls to draft an 18 year old French wing again, after things haven't worked out (yet) with Begarin?

[redslastlaugh]

The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

What exactly does it say about that?

You can read it here

https://archive.ph/yNiq6

30: Dadiet
54: Antonio Reeves

Antonio Reeves at 54 would be disappointing if Enrique Freeman, PJ Hall and Isaiah Crawford are still on the board.

[redslastlaugh]

Could be a stash. We might not have a roster spot depending on if we are bringing everyone back

The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

[return2glory]

I've watched Watson the fast few years. I like his game. I think he is a sleeper.

Watch on YouTube

[keevsnick1]

The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

What exactly does it say about that?

You can read it here

https://archive.ph/yNiq6

30: Dadiet
54: Antonio Reeves

Antonio Reeves at 54 would be disappointing if Enrique Freeman, PJ Hall and Isaiah Crawford are still on the board.

Holmes and Scheierman going 28 and 29 would be interesting, if that was the case I'd be trying to move up if I was the Celtics and get one of those two guys or even Filipowski at 24.

I like Dadiet okay, seems like an upside play. I'd just like to see the C's get someone who might help sooner or help replace Horford long term.

[Hal14]

The new ESPN mock draft is linking Pacome Dadiet to Boston

What exactly does it say about that?

You can read it here

https://archive.ph/yNiq6

30: Dadiet
54: Antonio Reeves

Antonio Reeves at 54 would be disappointing if Enrique Freeman, PJ Hall and Isaiah Crawford are still on the board.

Yeah..I wouldn't be wild about Reeves. But at 54, it wouldn't be a terrible pick, I guess. The 2 things we know for sure with Reeves is we know he can shoot and we also know he's quick. Good quickness for a 6'5/6'6" guy..and can shoot.

He also does have some ability to attack closeouts.

He has some issues defensively but he's not terrible on D.

That deep into the draft, why not I guess. But I think there will probably be better options - I'd rather take Reeves as like a UDFA flier. I think we could probably do better with a draft pick though..and also seems redundant to draft 2 wings (Dadiet and Reeves) even if one of them is a few inches taler than the other..and neither is very good on D..

[Curmudgeon]

You have to root for a kid like Enrique Freeman, who had a full academic scholarship and walked on because he wanted to play. He used his 5th year of eligibility to get an MBA. Then as a 24 year-old he went to Chicago and was the best player there.

[keevsnick1]

Latest mock from Johnathan Wasserman at Bleacher Report has Celtics taking Tyler Kolek at 30. Other interesting guys Celtics wise:

25) DaRon Holmes II (Big man who can shoot)
28) Kyle Filipowski (Well rounded big man ready now)
29) Pacome Dadiet (Young upside stash guy)
32) Baylor Scheierman (Hauser replacement)
33) Tyler Smith (Developmental stretch big)

Mock draft from Ricky O'Donnell at SB Nation has C's taking DaRon Holmes at 30. Also of note:

24) Filipowski
27) Scheierman
28) Dadiet

[keevsnick1]

I think its possible C's do any of the three of moving up, staying put, moving down. Last year they moved down becasue they were fairly low on future second round picks, they mostly solved that problem with those trades. I could see them doing so again just to get more lottery tickets, but i also think it wound make sense to package some combo of 30 or these future seconds to move back up and get a guy you really like. Going to be interesting.