More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[Bob Ross]

I just need to rrumors!!!
iterate these "leaks" are to avoid league suspicion with potential promises prior to the OG trade.

That's is 100% what I think

[nykballa2k4]

I just need to rrumors!!!
iterate these "leaks" are to avoid league suspicion with potential promises prior to the OG trade.

That's is 100% what I think

idk, I think Knicks have some buyers remorse and I feel that OG's availability (or lack thereof) is problematic. Knicks probably see him as a 3rd piece, he still wants to be a top gun.

New rules being that you cannot pay everybody. The difference between this and the Spida problem is that here we have an inside track whereas with Spida, we had no control.

[Wildcat]

I just need to rrumors!!!
iterate these "leaks" are to avoid league suspicion with potential promises prior to the OG trade.

That's is 100% what I think

idk, I think Knicks have some buyers remorse and I feel that OG's availability (or lack thereof) is problematic. Knicks probably see him as a 3rd piece, he still wants to be a top gun.

New rules being that you cannot pay everybody. The difference between this and the Spida problem is that here we have an inside track whereas with Spida, we had no control.

There's no buyers remorse. He does not want to be a top gun. I have no idea where you're evening pulling either of those conclusions from. The rules are meant to stop rosters with 3 or 50 mil players on any given team. It can't be helped if can't see the very obvious misdirection.

[WargamesX]

I think a more informed discussion is

1) Are the Knicks really willing to go over the 2nd apron this year to keep OG and Hartenstein?

2) if they are not, then what moves are they going to make stay under that cap?

Those are my biggest questions.

[Wildcat]

I think a more informed discussion is

1) Are the Knicks really willing to go over the 2nd apron this year to keep OG and Hartenstein?

2) if they are not, then what moves are they going to make stay under that cap?

Those are my biggest questions.

The 2nd apron is $190 mil. I think if they choose so can avoid it.

[douggood]

That's is 100% what I think

idk, I think Knicks have some buyers remorse and I feel that OG's availability (or lack thereof) is problematic. Knicks probably see him as a 3rd piece, he still wants to be a top gun.

New rules being that you cannot pay everybody. The difference between this and the Spida problem is that here we have an inside track whereas with Spida, we had no control.

There's no buyers remorse. He does not want to be a top gun. I have no idea where you're evening pulling either of those conclusions from. The rules are meant to stop rosters with 3 or 50 mil players on any given team. It can't be helped if can't see the very obvious misdirection.

the rule is also meant to stop rosters with 8 players making apx $20+
if og and ihart re-sign and pick up bogs option, that means those 8 players alone puts them into the tax. (tax $171, first apron $178, second arpon $188), so for sure above 1st arpon, and close enough to 2nd apron to give them pause)

for the knicks if they want status quo, keep the roster going forward and upgrade around margins its not an issue, its if they want to make a big splash is when the restrictions become an issue.

[WargamesX]

I think a more informed discussion is

1) Are the Knicks really willing to go over the 2nd apron this year to keep OG and Hartenstein?

2) if they are not, then what moves are they going to make stay under that cap?

Those are my biggest questions.

The 2nd apron is $190 mil. I think if they choose so can avoid it.

I guess my real question is will they choose too avoid it or run it back.

[Wildcat]

I think a more informed discussion is

1) Are the Knicks really willing to go over the 2nd apron this year to keep OG and Hartenstein?

2) if they are not, then what moves are they going to make stay under that cap?

Those are my biggest questions.

The 2nd apron is $190 mil. I think if they choose so can avoid it.

I guess my real question is will they choose too avoid it or run it back.

Depends on I-Hart and OG's 1st year salary. There are ways to have both.

[nykballa2k4]

That's is 100% what I think

idk, I think Knicks have some buyers remorse and I feel that OG's availability (or lack thereof) is problematic. Knicks probably see him as a 3rd piece, he still wants to be a top gun.

New rules being that you cannot pay everybody. The difference between this and the Spida problem is that here we have an inside track whereas with Spida, we had no control.

There's no buyers remorse. He does not want to be a top gun. I have no idea where you're evening pulling either of those conclusions from. The rules are meant to stop rosters with 3 or 50 mil players on any given team. It can't be helped if can't see the very obvious misdirection.

You are being foolishly confident here.
You may disagree with my belief, but to be so absolute about it is ignorant.

Why could there be buyers remorse?
Well we traded for a player who proved to be a flawless fit in our system, however his availability was poor (as has been the case throughout his career). Perhaps it was expected he would miss a fraction of the games he did miss. Our doctors may be trash, but I imagine they expected him back sooner than he did come back. he appears to struggle playing through pain.

Where am I getting this "top gun" thing from?
Back in his Toronto days, OG trade rumrs kicked up about 1.5 years ago because he wanted a bigger role on the team. The team already had Siakam and FVV (similar to how we have Randle/Brunson). He may very well look in the mirror and see Jaylen Brown based on how that article came off.
The quote "unhappy with his role" was said as he was averaging 17ppg.
He also already declined an extension 4/117 which obviously had injury risk baked into it (offered well in advance of the end of the contract). So 30M is that starting point of negotiations, likely much higher with the cap rising.

If the current offer is 35M, but there are games played factored in (that implies he is choosing to not play), then he really might not be getting a much better deal than he declined.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/player/_/year/2024/sort/cap_base
looking at this salaries list perhaps he thought with is strong w/l that he would be in that 40M camp (putting him in that top 20 category).

TLDR version: He was unhappy with a role as #3 scoring option avg 17ppg, he balked at 30M, we traded for him with expectations and it appears that our management thinks he was sitting when he did not need to thus falling short on those expectations.

[KnixinSix]

Watch on YouTube

Interesting stuff.

Will someone come available? Will some team out there because of the new CBA decide the cap ramifications are not worth holding on to their stars anymore?

[Richard4444]

I think a more informed discussion is

1) Are the Knicks really willing to go over the 2nd apron this year to keep OG and Hartenstein?

2) if they are not, then what moves are they going to make stay under that cap?

Those are my biggest questions.

We do not need to be over the second apron to max OG and IHart.

The issue is whether to keep Bojan and get more bench help or not.

[Richard4444]

idk, I think Knicks have some buyers remorse and I feel that OG's availability (or lack thereof) is problematic. Knicks probably see him as a 3rd piece, he still wants to be a top gun.

New rules being that you cannot pay everybody. The difference between this and the Spida problem is that here we have an inside track whereas with Spida, we had no control.

There's no buyers remorse. He does not want to be a top gun. I have no idea where you're evening pulling either of those conclusions from. The rules are meant to stop rosters with 3 or 50 mil players on any given team. It can't be helped if can't see the very obvious misdirection.

the rule is also meant to stop rosters with 8 players making apx $20+
if og and ihart re-sign and pick up bogs option, that means those 8 players alone puts them into the tax. (tax $171, first apron $178, second arpon $188), so for sure above 1st arpon, and close enough to 2nd apron to give them pause)

for the knicks if they want status quo, keep the roster going forward and upgrade around margins its not an issue, its if they want to make a big splash is when the restrictions become an issue.

Depending of OG first year salary (32 to 42M), the total payroll for the rotation players (9 players: Brunson, Donte, OG, Randle, Mitch, Deuce, Hart, Bojan, IHart) will vary from 169,7 to 179,7.

Considering the 6 additional players costing the Knicks around 12M (2M each), the total payroll could vary from 181,7 to 191,7M.

[KnixinSix]

I feel like we have run out of time waiting patiently for that star. The new CBA now will make it very hard to trade. We are going to be right there at the 2nd Apron. We need to strike now and kind of lock in a team at this point and say let's go for it.

The guy I think becomes the most available is KAT. Not my first choice but I definitely think that him and Brunson could be dynamite together.

KAT has so many connections to the Knicks from Rose, CAA , being a local Jersey kid, and of course the former MINNY head honcho now on our payroll Rosas.

Minny it seems wants the cap relief. Also Naz Reid continues to grow into a potential capable replacement for KAT

If you trade for KAT prior to July 1 his cost is 36M vs 49M.

You trade Bogey (19M) and Mitch Robinson (15M) and another smaller contract plus 3-4FRPs for KAT. This is on the assumption Minny is very averse to the cap ramifications of keeping KAT while we might be willing to take it on.

KAT because of the monster salary is not going to have a huge market .Knicks might be willing to deal with the cap ramifications with a 'locked in' team.

Rotation (minutes):
KAT(16), I-HART (32)
Randle (32), KAT(16)
OG(32), Hart (16)
DDV(32), Hart(16)
Brunson (32), McBride (16)

My 2nd attempted trade I would shoot for is the hope withall that turnover in Detroit they will want to reshape the team a bit. I would trade them Randle and McBride for Isaiah Stwart, Jayden Ivey and Troy Brown. This gives us a more complete , deeper and better fitting Thibodeau team.

Rotation (minutes):
I-HART (32), KAT(8), Stewart (8)
KAT(24), Stewart (16), OG(5), Hart (3)
OG(26), Hart (22)
DDV(30), Ivey (12), Hart(6)
Brunson (32), Jayden Ivey (16)

[KnicksGadfly]

I feel like we have run out of time waiting patiently for that star. The new CBA now will make it very hard to trade. We are going to be right there at the 2nd Apron. We need to strike now and kind of lock in a team at this point and say let's go for it.

The guy I think becomes the most available is KAT. Not my first choice but I definitely think that him and Brunson could be dynamite together.

KAT has so many connections to the Knicks from Rose, CAA , being a local Jersey kid, and of course the former MINNY head honcho now on our payroll Rosas.

Minny it seems wants the cap relief. Also Naz Reid continues to grow into a potential capable replacement for KAT

If you trade for KAT prior to July 1 his cost is 36M vs 49M.

You trade Bogey (19M) and Mitch Robinson (15M) and another smaller contract plus 3-4FRPs for KAT. This is on the assumption Minny is very averse to the cap ramifications of keeping KAT while we might be willing to take it on.

KAT because of the monster salary is not going to have a huge market .Knicks might be willing to deal with the cap ramifications with a 'locked in' team.

Rotation (minutes):
KAT(16), I-HART (32)
Randle (32), KAT(16)
OG(32), Hart (16)
DDV(32), Hart(16)
Brunson (32), McBride (16)

Yea, there's no world where KAT and Randle in the frontcourt make sense. Mavs were shooting 80% at the basket when Gobert was sitting. If you want KAT, make the hard decision and put him at PF.

[RHODEY]

Watch on YouTube

Now he's going to Philly?

[KnixinSix]

I feel like we have run out of time waiting patiently for that star. The new CBA now will make it very hard to trade. We are going to be right there at the 2nd Apron. We need to strike now and kind of lock in a team at this point and say let's go for it.

The guy I think becomes the most available is KAT. Not my first choice but I definitely think that him and Brunson could be dynamite together.

KAT has so many connections to the Knicks from Rose, CAA , being a local Jersey kid, and of course the former MINNY head honcho now on our payroll Rosas.

Minny it seems wants the cap relief. Also Naz Reid continues to grow into a potential capable replacement for KAT

If you trade for KAT prior to July 1 his cost is 36M vs 49M.

You trade Bogey (19M) and Mitch Robinson (15M) and another smaller contract plus 3-4FRPs for KAT. This is on the assumption Minny is very averse to the cap ramifications of keeping KAT while we might be willing to take it on.

KAT because of the monster salary is not going to have a huge market .Knicks might be willing to deal with the cap ramifications with a 'locked in' team.

Rotation (minutes):
KAT(16), I-HART (32)
Randle (32), KAT(16)
OG(32), Hart (16)
DDV(32), Hart(16)
Brunson (32), McBride (16)

Yea, there's no world where KAT and Randle in the frontcourt make sense. Mavs were shooting 80% at the basket when Gobert was sitting. If you want KAT, make the hard decision and put him at PF.

Possibly so I proposed this as a 2nd trade addendum above....

The hope with all that turnover in Detroit they will want to reshape the team a bit. I would trade them Randle and McBride for Isaiah Stwart, Jayden Ivey and Troy Brown. This gives us a more complete , deeper and better fitting Thibodeau team. Brunson finally gets a legit ballhandling guy behind him that can also play the 2 as a combo guard. This will relieve tremendous pressure off him and lengthen his career.

Rotation (minutes):
I-HART (32), KAT(8), Stewart (8)
KAT(24), Stewart (16), OG(5), Hart (3)
OG(26), Hart (22)
DDV(30), Ivey (12), Hart(6)
Brunson (32), Jayden Ivey (16)

[Wildcat]

You are being foolishly confident here.
You may disagree with my belief, but to be so absolute about it is ignorant.

Why could there be buyers remorse?
Well we traded for a player who proved to be a flawless fit in our system, however his availability was poor (as has been the case throughout his career). Perhaps it was expected he would miss a fraction of the games he did miss. Our doctors may be trash, but I imagine they expected him back sooner than he did come back. he appears to struggle playing through pain.

Where am I getting this "top gun" thing from?
Back in his Toronto days, OG trade rumrs kicked up about 1.5 years ago because he wanted a bigger role on the team. The team already had Siakam and FVV (similar to how we have Randle/Brunson). He may very well look in the mirror and see Jaylen Brown based on how that article came off.
The quote "unhappy with his role" was said as he was averaging 17ppg.
He also already declined an extension 4/117 which obviously had injury risk baked into it (offered well in advance of the end of the contract). So 30M is that starting point of negotiations, likely much higher with the cap rising.

If the current offer is 35M, but there are games played factored in (that implies he is choosing to not play), then he really might not be getting a much better deal than he declined.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/player/_/year/2024/sort/cap_base
looking at this salaries list perhaps he thought with is strong w/l that he would be in that 40M camp (putting him in that top 20 category).

TLDR version: He was unhappy with a role as #3 scoring option avg 17ppg, he balked at 30M, we traded for him with expectations and it appears that our management thinks he was sitting when he did not need to thus falling short on those expectations.

And I think you're being annoyingly pessimistic.

This "rumor" of him wanting to be top gun is an exaggeration of what he "allegedly" said. Which -- by the way -- he never said. He never said he was unhappy. What started all this, was Nurse, and I quote, saying, "He wants to be more a part of the offense. So I certainly can help him with that. I can design plays, I can get him in situations, etc., but it's kind of a working relationship that he's got to go take some of that, right." A literal who writer took that quote and exaggerated it, then other outlets regurgitated the literal who's comment. Put distance from this ridiculous notion. It's not true. You're not going to convince me that Fischer has some Raptor insider info when this originated from Nurse.

To my understanding, a contract extension was never offered by the Raptors, but he always had plans to hit free agency no matter what because his extension would be only 4 years @ 117 million, which is obviously a bargain. Betting on myself -- like all NBA players do -- isn't some unique phenomenon.

[Wildcat]

This obsession with bringing KAT here is ludicrous.

[kNicksGmen]

pure speculation here - i don't think knicks have any buyers remorse. if anything i think (as do many) that the framework of a deal was more or less already agreed to when we traded for him. if anything i think OG is the one that now thinks his value is more than he originally thought when he agreed to that framework. perhaps due to the knicks record with/without him (which isn't entirely fair due to other injuries etc) - but maybe also him becoming more familiar with the type of money that is going to be thrown around in the coming years. maybe he was happy with 30-35 per year when maxes are closer to 50. but if maxes are going to be closer to 70 soon enough, he's thinking he should get closer to 40-45.

again all speculation on my part. nobody knows if in fact any framework was agreed upon at the time of the trade. maybe there was an understanding that knicks would match whatever he gets offered in free agency etc.

we all would like him to take a team discount for obvious reasons. the new CBA limitations is the biggest one and seemingly guys like Randle/JB willing to take less (in the past at least).

[Spree2Houston]

I feel like we have run out of time waiting patiently for that star. The new CBA now will make it very hard to trade. We are going to be right there at the 2nd Apron. We need to strike now and kind of lock in a team at this point and say let's go for it.

The guy I think becomes the most available is KAT. Not my first choice but I definitely think that him and Brunson could be dynamite together.

KAT has so many connections to the Knicks from Rose, CAA , being a local Jersey kid, and of course the former MINNY head honcho now on our payroll Rosas.

Minny it seems wants the cap relief. Also Naz Reid continues to grow into a potential capable replacement for KAT

If you trade for KAT prior to July 1 his cost is 36M vs 49M.

You trade Bogey (19M) and Mitch Robinson (15M) and another smaller contract plus 3-4FRPs for KAT. This is on the assumption Minny is very averse to the cap ramifications of keeping KAT while we might be willing to take it on.

KAT because of the monster salary is not going to have a huge market .Knicks might be willing to deal with the cap ramifications with a 'locked in' team.

Rotation (minutes):
KAT(16), I-HART (32)
Randle (32), KAT(16)
OG(32), Hart (16)
DDV(32), Hart(16)
Brunson (32), McBride (16)

My 2nd attempted trade I would shoot for is the hope withall that turnover in Detroit they will want to reshape the team a bit. I would trade them Randle and McBride for Isaiah Stwart, Jayden Ivey and Troy Brown. This gives us a more complete , deeper and better fitting Thibodeau team.

Rotation (minutes):
I-HART (32), KAT(8), Stewart (8)
KAT(24), Stewart (16), OG(5), Hart (3)
OG(26), Hart (22)
DDV(30), Ivey (12), Hart(6)
Brunson (32), Jayden Ivey (16)

I thought we can’t combine Bogey’s contract with another player in a trade. Unless there’s something I missed