Mavs/Warriors/Raptors

[Mavrelous]

Assumptions (from reading the board, didn't make them up): Warriors want to move on from Wiggins, they are looking for salary relief, they also want to dump GPII and Looney, they don't see them as part of the rotation, they also realize Klay isn't returning

Mavs Trade:
THJ
Kleber
Powell
TOR 2nd

Mavs Receive:
Wiggins

Mavs add a SF, gamble on Wiggins rebounding, adds few mils breathing room under 1st Apron in case they want to be 1st Apron team, not 2nd.

Warriors trade:
Wiggins
GPII
Looney (guaranteed to 4.5 mils)

Warriors Receive:
THJ
Maxi
McDaniels

Warriros turn Wiggins into stretch 4/5, get THJ expiring (can waive or use as backup SG), move Kuminga to the starting lineup and add McDaniels as backup forward.
They also dump GPII and Looney dead weight, by manipulating how the deal is written they also create massive TPE.
GPII for THJ
Looney for Maxi
McDaniels into BAE exception,

Warriors will have the MLE + ~27 million TPE, while staying under the tax, to improve the roster.

Raptors (written as 2 separate trades):
GPII into TPE for TOR 25 2nd via DAL
McDaniels for Powell + Looney (waived)
TOR take on salary using exceptions, get their 2nd rd pick for service, keep the option of operating over the cap.

[Godaddycurse]

Taking on an extra 16M over 2 yrs for a 2nd is kind of steep. Will need more coming back for Toronto.

[binjumper]

why would Toronto do this for a 2nd rd pick? They don't want to be operating over the cap while rebuilding and taking on contracts.

[Mavrelous]

why would Toronto do this for a 2nd rd pick? They don't want to be operating over the cap while rebuilding and taking on contracts.

The reporting is that Toronto do want to operate over the cap since they want to deal Brown, and they have 2 FA, 1 of them they are definitely trying to keep.

Taking on an extra 16M over 2 yrs for a 2nd is kind of steep. Will need more coming back for Toronto.

I don't expect Toronto to be competetive, so that's a good second, that's not a bad return.
Dallas has another 2nd in 25, you can have it, but I don't have it worth that much...

[MessiahUjiri]

why would Toronto do this for a 2nd rd pick? They don't want to be operating over the cap while rebuilding and taking on contracts.

Toronto will likely over the cap assuming they exercise the TO on Brown (and trade him). They also get the MLE by operating over the cap.

But yeah, this trade ain’t enough for Toronto. That’s a lot of negative money for a single 2nd.

Also, GSW probably prefers Bruce Brown to THJ if they want to compete, as Brown’s defense / hustle complements Steph better. So you could send THJ to Toronto along with some additional assets and maybe this works. JoshG? Moody? Omax? I dunno something like that.

[Texas Chuck]

I also have this as light for Toronto fwiw.

I also think it works better smaller, but I understand why you make it more complex to try and idealize it for the two team trying to win.

[Mavrelous]

GPII into TPE for good second is a sweet deal IMO, McDaniels for Powell + 4.5 dead salary may be too much, so Dallas adds BOS 25 2nd and 5mils in cash.

[oldncreaky]

Taking on an extra 16M over 2 yrs for a 2nd is kind of steep. Will need more coming back for Toronto.

I haven't seen a recent article/analysis on how much it costs to buy a SRP, but I have to imagine it is still single-digit millions. Maybe we missed the memo that Troy Weaver, famous for giving away cap space for peanuts, was just hired by the Raptors.

[Godaddycurse]

Taking on an extra 16M over 2 yrs for a 2nd is kind of steep. Will need more coming back for Toronto.

I haven't seen a recent article/analysis on how much it costs to buy a SRP, but I have to imagine it is still single-digit millions. Maybe we missed the memo that Troy Weaver, famous for giving away cap space for peanuts, was just hired by the Raptors.

The max is 7 mil i think

[Apz]

No real intrest in wiggins. Just doesnt trust the guy abd he will want a new contract soon

[islandboy53]

why would Toronto do this for a 2nd rd pick? They don't want to be operating over the cap while rebuilding and taking on contracts.

Toronto will likely over the cap assuming they exercise the TO on Brown (and trade him). They also get the MLE by operating over the cap.

But yeah, this trade ain’t enough for Toronto. That’s a lot of negative money for a single 2nd.

Also, GSW probably prefers Bruce Brown to THJ if they want to compete, as Brown’s defense / hustle complements Steph better. So you could send THJ to Toronto along with some additional assets and maybe this works. JoshG? Moody? Omax? I dunno something like that.

Here's a small modification of the original. Basically, Toronto moves out a small salary in Freeman-Liberty so that they can take on Looney's full salary. For the extra $1.7 million in net salary they get some centre depth who is probably movable at the deadline for something. Dallas still saves $3 million while getting Wiggins for a 2nd and parts. The Warriors reduce salary by almost $12 million next year, and more than that moving forward, which is why they're paying a bit.

Mavs Trade:THJ, Kleber, Powell, 25 TOR 2nd
Mavs Receive: Wiggins, Freeman-Liberty (waive or retain for trade filler)

Warriors trade: Wiggins , GPII, Looney, 26 Atl 2nd, 28 Atl 2nd
Warriors Receive: THJ, Maxi, McDaniels

Raptors trade: McDaniels, Freeman-Liberty
Raptors receive: GPII (into TPE), Powell, Looney, TOR 25 2nd, 26 Atl 2nd, 28 Atl 2nd

Here's a revision including Brown to Golden State. The Warriors savings are down to about $5 million, but they get a much more useful player, and pay accordingly.

Mavs Trade:THJ, Kleber, Powell, 25 TOR 2nd
Mavs Receive: Wiggins, Freeman-Liberty (waive or retain for trade filler)

Warriors trade: Wiggins , GPII, Looney, 25 GS 1st
Warriors Receive: Brown, Maxi, McDaniels

Raptors trade: McDaniels, Freeman-Liberty, Brown
Raptors receive: THJ, GPII, Powell (into TPE), Looney, TOR 25 2nd, 25 GS 1st

[Mavrelous]

I think 3 2nds, one of them should be in the 30s, for using 10M TPE is way too much, but if GSW are OK with it then sure why not.

[Texas Chuck]

No real intrest in wiggins. Just doesnt trust the guy abd he will want a new contract soon

He has 2 years left. Look at how fast Dallas turns over their roster. This is not a real concern.

[Apz]

No real intrest in wiggins. Just doesnt trust the guy abd he will want a new contract soon

He has 2 years left. Look at how fast Dallas turns over their roster. This is not a real concern.

Still doesnt trust him. Cannot be trusted to play with his heart

[GQ Hot Dog]

The Warriors aren't looking to dump Wiggins, they're looking to improve the team by trading him and this doesn't do it. Wiggins is a top-5 defender at his position, much better than McDaniels and I think Maxi is well onto the downside of his career. THJ is not worth mentioning.

We'll keep Wiggins and use the MLE while staying below the tax.

It seems like the Mavs are the only team that improves in this trade.

[gswhoops]

The Warriors aren't looking to dump Wiggins, they're looking to improve the team by trading him and this doesn't do it. Wiggins is a top-5 defender at his position, much better than McDaniels and I think Maxi is well onto the downside of his career. THJ is not worth mentioning.

We'll keep Wiggins and use the MLE while staying below the tax.

It seems like the Mavs are the only team that improves in this trade.

That....is not what has been reported about the Warriors vis a vis Wiggins:

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/nba-media-hive-over-andrew-wiggins-experience-19408691.php

[Mavrelous]

The Warriors aren't looking to dump Wiggins, they're looking to improve the team by trading him and this doesn't do it. Wiggins is a top-5 defender at his position, much better than McDaniels and I think Maxi is well onto the downside of his career. THJ is not worth mentioning.

We'll keep Wiggins and use the MLE while staying below the tax.

It seems like the Mavs are the only team that improves in this trade.

The Mavs may very well improve after this trade, but they also be stuck with a guy paid 80/3 and not interested in BB anymore also, I said in the OP it's a gamble, if there is no upside, there on point in risking the downside.
You don't have to like the trade, but you also don't need to belittle it, indeed, Warriors don't improve after this trade, they do however get a tool to improve (27M TPE), and dump a lot of money that will alow them to improve this year, and in the next years.
The Warriros were absolutely rumored to want to trade Wiggins.
The Warriors aren't getting better value for Wiggins IMO, they may want to keep him because they believe he can be better, they are the team that knows him the most, but he hasn't done anything since 2022 Finals to justify this contract, and it's been 2 years now.

[Texas Chuck]

The Warriors aren't looking to dump Wiggins, they're looking to improve the team by trading him and this doesn't do it. Wiggins is a top-5 defender at his position, much better than McDaniels and I think Maxi is well onto the downside of his career. THJ is not worth mentioning.

We'll keep Wiggins and use the MLE while staying below the tax.

It seems like the Mavs are the only team that improves in this trade.

I mean I think this is certainly a fair perspective. I too would prefer Wiggins on the court to Kleber especially considering the durability advantage.

There is some dispute as to the plans regarding Wiggins which the OP explained and gswhoops has confirmed multiple times so hence a thread.

[islandboy53]

I think 3 2nds, one of them should be in the 30s, for using 10M TPE is way too much, but if GSW are OK with it then sure why not.

Toronto is taking on $15 million in the 1st version. They're getting three 2nds in return, one from Dallas for taking on Powell's 2 years, and 2 from GS for taking on GPII and Looney's dead weight salaries to create an NTMLE's worth of salary space. I mean, I know it's Toronto, and they don't deserve anything for anything, but, c'mon.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean, I know it's Toronto, and they don't deserve anything for anything, but, c'mon.

Can we not with this please?

It's fine to dispute value. And I even agreed the OP was light for Toronto.

But nobody is saying well its Toronto it just doesn't matter. And you know this. Or should.

Stick to the topic not the victim complex. It's exhausting.