Atlanta picking 1st and 3rd

[jayjaysee]

Not the most realistic or best idea we’ve thrown out. Assuming deal is finalized later to have the picks count as matching salary. Deal feels off a bit really

Memphis: Ziare, Rose, 9th
Memphis: Okongwu

Memphis gets a good fitting young big to pair with JJJ, who is locked up on a nice contract.

Houston: 3rd, Jeff Green, Jock Landale
Houston: Murray, Rose, 9th

Houston gets a young-enough guard locked up. They can bring Jalen off the bench, or trade him. Or trade FVV. At 9th they can draft Dalton, Holland, or Carter as they expected to prior to lottery luck.

Atlanta: Murray and Okongwu
Atlanta: Ziare, Green, Landale, 3rd

Atlanta drafts Zacc number one and Clingan number 3. If Clingan goes 2nd, don’t be cute just draft Sarr 3rd. They can shop the Sac first and Griffin, other minor value for a defensive guard and be content with a nice young movement around Trae.

[TGW]

I don't see the Grizz doing this. Okungwu is a bench big that doesn't move the needle. I don't value him as a starter on a playoff team.

[Texas Chuck]

What if you just took Memphis out? Houston would surely do 3/filler for Murray/OO, right?

[Chinook]

I wouldn't want the Spurs to do 4 for Murray and Okongwu, so I don't know that Houston should want to do 3. I have DeJounte's value below the eighth pick and don't think OO bridges that gap. Maybe Houston thinks differently, but I think still getting a top-10 pick was essential to this deal having any legs on their side.

[LarsV8]

So Murray and 9 for 3. I would definitely consider that.

[Xman]

Was thinking Murray was worth more. Same for Okungwu.
Still, Atl could take Sarr and Clingan for a rebuilt interior that could be really good.

[Whole Truth]

A youth movement around Trae with 2yrs control & PO won't end well

[tcheco]

Murray won't be traded for a pick. And I think he is worth the 3 by himself. I also think OO will be kept as he is locked in cheap and still has some upside.

If Atlanta will trade win now players for picks, Young probably won't be around.

[Whole Truth]

Murray won't be traded for a pick. And I think he is worth the 3 by himself. I also think OO will be kept as he is locked in cheap and still has some upside.

If Atlanta will trade win now players for picks, Young probably won't be around.

OO is the proven young talent that's "ready" to start. I think Atlanta will try to trade Capela for the best offer they can get & pair OO switch ability with Clingan's post game, who's the more ready, "safer" target. Sarr is the longer less proven version of OO, where I don't think based on their situation, a potential risk they can afford to miss on.

Atlanta swings on Sarr's upside as the fans seem to want & miss. Young threatens to opt out of a PO to leverage trade & Spurs own their draft rights through 27. So you looking at a potential bust situation all the way around, including losing optimal value on trading Young. With the upside of this decision being Sarr might be good in time, that Atlanta currently doesn't have.

 

[tcheco]

Murray won't be traded for a pick. And I think he is worth the 3 by himself. I also think OO will be kept as he is locked in cheap and still has some upside.

If Atlanta will trade win now players for picks, Young probably won't be around.

OO is the proven young talent that's "ready" to start. I think Atlanta will try to trade Capela for the best offer they can get & pair OO switch ability with Clingan's post game, who's the more ready, "safer" target. Sarr is the longer less proven version of OO, where I don't think based on their situation, a potential risk they can afford to miss on.

Atlanta swings on Sarr's upside as the fans seem to want & miss. Young threatens to opt out of a PO to leverage trade & Spurs own their draft rights through 27. So you looking at a potential bust situation all the way around, including losing optimal value on trading Young. With the upside of this decision being Sarr might be good in time, that Atlanta currently doesn't have.

 

Would you have Atlanta trade back and draft Clingan? or pick him 1st?
Safe to say that Clingan will be available until the 7th pick? or could the Wizards gamble on him with the 2nd pick?(assuming Sarr is 1st).

Could see the Spurs trading up if they feel like Risacher is the best fit at the 3 for them moving forward, but not sure they send 4th and 8th for the first.

[Whole Truth]

Murray won't be traded for a pick. And I think he is worth the 3 by himself. I also think OO will be kept as he is locked in cheap and still has some upside.

If Atlanta will trade win now players for picks, Young probably won't be around.

OO is the proven young talent that's "ready" to start. I think Atlanta will try to trade Capela for the best offer they can get & pair OO switch ability with Clingan's post game, who's the more ready, "safer" target. Sarr is the longer less proven version of OO, where I don't think based on their situation, a potential risk they can afford to miss on.

Atlanta swings on Sarr's upside as the fans seem to want & miss. Young threatens to opt out of a PO to leverage trade & Spurs own their draft rights through 27. So you looking at a potential bust situation all the way around, including losing optimal value on trading Young. With the upside of this decision being Sarr might be good in time, that Atlanta currently doesn't have.

 

Would you have Atlanta trade back and draft Clingan? or pick him 1st?
Safe to say that Clingan will be available until the 7th pick? or could the Wizards gamble on him with the 2nd pick?(assuming Sarr is 1st).

Could see the Spurs trading up if they feel like Risacher is the best fit at the 3 for them moving forward, but not sure they send 4th and 8th for the first.

Trade back to maximize opportunity & reduce risk of putting found value into high risk. Unless of course Hawks scouts have Sarr head & shoulder the best prospect, which I don't think they do & or they decide they're trading Young to go a different direction. On top of the possibility of availability, There's also Atlanta's cap situation where they are either near or in the luxury tax with the #1's 12m tag. Trading down might also help them skirt the tax on top of netting additional assets.

Though both Houston & Spurs don't need a C, I wouldn't risk past someone potentially trading up as Quinn is in on Clingan. I'm thinking Fultz, Tatum type trade down. Houston/Spurs at 3/4

[Myth]

This feels too good for Houston.

[Whole Truth]

This feels too good for Houston.

I think BI & the Lakers 25 is better value than what Hawks are getting here but on the Hawks board they wouldn't do that for Murray more less Murray & OO.

This is why I say trade is also relative to perceived value. What I value someone else might not.

[jayjaysee]

A youth movement around Trae with 2yrs control & PO won't end well

I really disagree with this.

Jalen is ready for a bigger role. Atlanta isn’t leaving Trae with no talent. And they could do a minor move like trading for Caruso, Thybulle, Grant, etc while keeping the 3rd pick and their new found strong draft capital..

And just because Atlanta trades for draft picks doesn’t mean they need to stay on the team obviously? After this trade, Atlanta can trade 5 firsts (a few with very nice upside) while keeping 1st, 3rd, Jalen, and Trae. Feels like a very safe time to go “all in”

[Whole Truth]

A youth movement around Trae with 2yrs control & PO won't end well

I really disagree with this.

Jalen is ready for a bigger role. Atlanta isn’t leaving Trae with no talent. And they could do a minor move like trading for Caruso, Thybulle, Grant, etc while keeping the 3rd pick and their new found strong draft capital..

And just because Atlanta trades for draft picks doesn’t mean they need to stay on the team obviously? After this trade, Atlanta can trade 5 firsts (a few with very nice upside) while keeping 1st, 3rd, Jalen, and Trae. Feels like a very safe time to go “all in”

While what you say is a possibility, you also need a trade target & their availability, timing. NO's traded Jrue to Bucks for a pick package for the same purpose. Jrue went on to win 2 championships the last 3-4 yrs & NO's are still holding the draft assets.

I don't give you wrong, nor do I claim to be an authority of what's right. It may pan out for you but I think you're banking on a lot of risk. I believe we position ourselves for luck, good or bad. I don't agree with your positioning but I can't say with certainty it won't work,

[louc1970]

What if Atlanta decided to cash it all in and go full rebuild.

Rockets trade Jalen Green, Adams, #3
Rockets receive Okongwu, Murray
Atlanta is not giving up Murray without getting something more valuable back, thus Green and #3. Adams is a straight swap with Okongwu.

Miami trades Herro, #15
Miami receives Adams, Green
Cost savings from Herro's contract, get a backup for Adebayo. Both on 1-year deals so either resign or let go at end of year.

Spurs trade Graham, Collins, #4, Hawks 25 FRP, Hawks 27 FRP
Spurs receive Young
Spurs send off #4 in this draft and return the Hawks' FRPs (except for swaps) for Young. Spurs get a running mate for Wemby, retain defensive players to cover for Young.

Hawks trade Murray, Okongwu and Young
Hawks receive Herro, Collins, Graham, #3 #4, #15, and 25/27 FRPs returned.
Hawks go ahead and bite the rebuild bullet and build around Herro/Johnson. At #1 they take Sarr, #3 and #4 they take 2 of Topic/Castle/Buzelis/Clingan/Knecht and at #15 either Ware/da Silva/Salaun. Sure it is a weak draft, but if Atlanta can get the role players in this draft and to put around Johnson and still have salary cap room to absorb some overpriced players while adding assets, why not do it now rather than spin in purgatory.
Go for a complete rebuild with tradeable pieces in Capela, Hunter and Bogdanovich.

[oldncreaky]

A youth movement around Trae with 2yrs control & PO won't end well

I really disagree with this.

Jalen is ready for a bigger role. Atlanta isn’t leaving Trae with no talent. And they could do a minor move like trading for Caruso, Thybulle, Grant, etc while keeping the 3rd pick and their new found strong draft capital..

And just because Atlanta trades for draft picks doesn’t mean they need to stay on the team obviously? After this trade, Atlanta can trade 5 firsts (a few with very nice upside) while keeping 1st, 3rd, Jalen, and Trae. Feels like a very safe time to go “all in”

I agree with Whole Truth here. If you're trading established players for a high pick, you are rebuilding whether you publicly admit it or not. If you are rebuilding, you should trade older players (Capella for example), and certainly consider trading Trae.

[nate33]

Atlanta cannot go with a rebuild or even a "reload" since they don't control their upcoming picks. I don't see them trying to acquire more picks. If anything, they are looking to trade out of #1 for veteran help.

[louc1970]

Atlanta cannot go with a rebuild or even a "reload" since they don't control their upcoming picks. I don't see them trying to acquire more picks. If anything, they are looking to trade out of #1 for veteran help.

If Atlanta brings in SAS as a partner to return their picks it makes sense. Otherwise, agree it is difficult to rebuild without your own picks. Only option is to find someone equally as bad that is willing to trade their picks for Atlanta's players.

[Texas Chuck]

I agree with Whole Truth here. If you're trading established players for a high pick, you are rebuilding whether you publicly admit it or not. If you are rebuilding, you should trade older players (Capella for example), and certainly consider trading Trae.

Definitely doesn't have to be true. Dallas traded Jamison for a lottery pick (used on Devin Harris who contributed right away) and some salary ballast they turned into a Dampier S&T(the follow up move jay references).

One move doesn't have to mean rebuild.