Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[ReasonablySober]

Could easily see the Bucks moving #23 and Lopez for Brown.

Gross. There shouldn't be any need for us to throw a 1st in here. They'd be flipping Brook to a 3rd team for another draft asset, and there's no way that Bruce Brown is worth multiple 1st round picks.

Lopez is worth mpre than Brown after last year. Raptors should have to throw an asset in.

Lopez is not worth more than Brown. Like KOC says, literally every team can use Brown. The number of teams that can use a soon to be retired Lopez is much smaller.

[buckboy]

Yeah, pass on 23/Brook.

I'd consider Brook for Brown but ultimately decline.

[emunney]

Could easily see the Bucks moving #23 and Lopez for Brown.

Gross. There shouldn't be any need for us to throw a 1st in here. They'd be flipping Brook to a 3rd team for another draft asset, and there's no way that Bruce Brown is worth multiple 1st round picks.

Bucks would have to throw in some kind legit asset for them to give up the more valuable piece. Brown's worth more than Lopez. Otherwise they'll just flip Brown to a team that'll give them an asset they actually want.

Yeah they should do that. Brown is not that good and is not the universal fit he's often assumed to be. They tried to flip him when they got him and couldn't do it.

[Ron Swanson]

Gross. There shouldn't be any need for us to throw a 1st in here. They'd be flipping Brook to a 3rd team for another draft asset, and there's no way that Bruce Brown is worth multiple 1st round picks.

Lopez is worth mpre than Brown after last year. Raptors should have to throw an asset in.

Lopez is not worth more than Brown. Like KOC says, literally every team can use Brown. The number of teams that can use a soon to be retired Lopez is much smaller.

I don't think you're reading the trade landscape very well here. What about any of these quotes from the SI article last month screams to you that Brown has this kind of value?

One hypothetical option could be a deal with Chicago involving Lonzo Ball's contract. If the Bulls are determined to contend next year, Brown would give them a useful rotation player, but it's unclear if Toronto would be willing to take on Ball's contract with essentially no concrete plan for him to return next season.

The Toronto Raptors certainly took calls for the 27-year-old guard at the trade deadline. They had conversations with the New York Knicks about Brown before New York opted to go in another direction. Had there been a first-round pick available to Toronto without bad long-term money attached to it, the Raptors would have taken it. But that rumored offer Toronto had been looking for at the trade deadline never materialized.

So like, couldn't find a taker for him at the deadline without taking a bad contract in return, but all of a sudden now he's worth a 1st plus a good player on an expiring contract that they'd then flip for another asset? Nah.

[raferfenix]

There are rumblings that the Bucks would like to play a more versatile style of defense next season, which raises the question of whether Brook Lopez has a future there.

Seems like the headline from the Bucks perspective.

[ReasonablySober]

Brown wouldn't be my first choice, I'm just saying that 23 and Lopez is the type of move that I'm going to assume the Bucks would be into. They're not going to get him for Lopez straight up; like I said, Brown has more value.

[ShootingtheJ]

In KOC's Hidden Gems column:

Bruce Brown Jr., Raptors wing
Contract: One year, $23 million team option

Brown is a former Hidden Gem who won a title and now belongs in the Proven Veteran category. League sources expect the Raptors to pick up Brown’s option this summer and then look to trade him, which comes as no surprise considering he will be 28 next season and the Raptors are rebuilding. Brown is a super versatile defender, a tone-setter, a rebounder, and a scrappy do-it-all maestro on offense. Every team should want Bruce Brown.

Dream fit: Milwaukee. There are rumblings that the Bucks would like to play a more versatile style of defense next season, which raises the question of whether Brook Lopez has a future there. Trading Brook Lopez for Brown is a perfect match of salaries, and then the Raptors could flip Lopez elsewhere. The amount of screening and cutting Brown could do in support of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard would be glorious to watch.

Crazy if the last ride for the Giannis/ Lopez duo was at Disney World.

[bdpecore]

Gross. There shouldn't be any need for us to throw a 1st in here. They'd be flipping Brook to a 3rd team for another draft asset, and there's no way that Bruce Brown is worth multiple 1st round picks.

Lopez is worth more than Brown after last year. Raptors should have to throw an asset in.

Lopez is not worth more than Brown. Like KOC says, literally every team can use Brown. The number of teams that can use a soon to be retired Lopez is much smaller.

I disagree based on how the market is shaping up for lesser free agent centers like Claxton and Hartenstein. Stretch centers who are above average rim protectors are harder to find than 3&D wings. once you factor in their salaries, Brown actually loses value based on the going rate for players similar to Brown ($12-18MM/per). I also don't consider age to be a major factor since both are on expiring deals.

[EasyE31]

Who are realistic targets to send Brook too? OKC is going to grab Hartenstein, GSW doesn’t have cap room or trade flexibility. I want to take a center at 23 and then see what we can get for Brook.

I keep coming back to Orlando.

They are going to want to make a jump next year and they have cap space + a bunch of young guys to spare.

How about:

Lopez for Wendell Carter and Cole Anthony

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Gross. There shouldn't be any need for us to throw a 1st in here. They'd be flipping Brook to a 3rd team for another draft asset, and there's no way that Bruce Brown is worth multiple 1st round picks.

Lopez is worth mpre than Brown after last year. Raptors should have to throw an asset in.

Lopez is not worth more than Brown. Like KOC says, literally every team can use Brown. The number of teams that can use a soon to be retired Lopez is much smaller.

Well yeah, every team could use a versatile borderline starter who is a good defender, doesn't mean you pay for it. Lopez historically has been a better player with ups and downs in recent year. BroLo is a unique 7-footer than is a Top 25 defender that can stretch somewhat stretch the floor with 60TS%. Brown is 6'4 SF that shoots 33%3P on extremely low volume. Similar contracts but Brown is obvious much younger, but does that really matter unless you are willing to sign him long-term?

Like I like Brown and can see why people want him instead of Lopez but Brown is a not a guy you trade your only 2 assets for.

[raferfenix]

Lot of smoke about the Bucks chasing Bruce Brown before the deadline last year — reports from Jake Fischer, Michael Scotto and Brett Siegel at least.

Those scenarios mentioned Bobby / Pat moreso than Brook. If we could duck the 2nd apron we could aggregate salaries if that’d be the preference.

Marc Stein said Toronto was looking for a first-round pick and a “quality player” for Brown. Which of course they didn’t get. But they don’t need to pick up his option if they don’t think a deal they like will materialize.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

"Acquired forward Pascal Siakam from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for guards Bruce Brown Jr. and Kira Lewis Jr., forward Jordan Nwora, two first-round picks in 2024, and a conditional first-round pick in 2026 (Top 4 protected)."
I guess I wonder how much Brown was actually ever valued in that trade. I always thought he was more filler and maybe they could squeeze a first for him at the deadline from a contender (they couldn't). Raptors got 3 firsts and the ability to keep their own pick by trading Siakam so I don't think there was much more value needed from the Raptors side.

[emunney]

"Acquired forward Pascal Siakam from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for guards Bruce Brown Jr. and Kira Lewis Jr., forward Jordan Nwora, two first-round picks in 2024, and a conditional first-round pick in 2026 (Top 4 protected)."
I guess I wonder how much Brown was actually ever valued in that trade. I always thought he was more filler and maybe they could squeeze a first for him at the deadline from a contender (they couldn't). Raptors got 3 firsts and the ability to keep their own pick by trading Siakam so I don't think there was much more value needed from the Raptors side.

The Pacers signed Brown as much as salary filler as a player they could use in the meantime. Everyone was shocked when he got that deal a year ago. He's still the same guy. If anything, he's less well-regarded, and the Raptors, if they pick up that deal, are clearly thinking of him the same way the Pacers did. They're probably looking to get compensated for taking on long term salary.

[Ron Swanson]

Sure, every GM in NBA history wants the standard "1st round pick and a quality player" for every role-player on their roster. Stein is just relaying the posturing of Toronto's front office. Meanwhile, you have an actual Raptors beat writer being like, "maybe Lonzo Ball's dead cap hit and a heavily protected-1st is more realistic"....

[Bernman]

As much as I like Brown, for 1 yr @ a hefty rate, saying we should give up our 1st for him, in addition to a player we'd or another team would have plenty of use for in Brook, is silly. Their values are about equivalent. KOC is right.

We need our 1st to draft Brook or Bobby's replacement if/when we move them. This is the draft, chockablock w/ viable bigs, to solve that problem.

BTW, if we traded Brook to Toronto to be flipped, he'll end up a key role player in the Heat winning the Championship. This after Giannis & Brown were out for a series. Then we'll hear how we never should have traded Brook & would have won it w/ him.

[JonHeist]

Spoiler:

Brown wouldn't be my first choice, I'm just saying that 23 and Lopez is the type of move that I'm going to assume the Bucks would be into. They're not going to get him for Lopez straight up;

like I said, Brown has more value.

but he doesn't

[ShootingtheJ]

There are rumblings that the Bucks would like to play a more versatile style of defense next season, which raises the question of whether Brook Lopez has a future there.

Seems like the headline from the Bucks perspective.

This. Earth shattering news of why actually decide to move on from Brook. I'm not a Brook guy but I haven't engaged in Brook trades as I didn't think the Bucks would consider it.

Who needs regular season help? They need Brook.

[humanrefutation]

Brook and a #1 for Brown is too steep a price.

Brook himself could probably fetch a 1 from a contending team looking for inside help (*cough* OKC *cough*). A single year of Bruce Brown for two 1s would be pretty insane value for Toronto.

I'm not sure if I'd do Brook for Brown straight up at this point. Maybe if we land a quality big on the draft after the trade landscape has settled and there are no better deals to be had. But not at this point.

[ReasonablySober]

If Brook is this valuable, why are the Bucks interested in trading him? If they didn't have him, they'd probably be at the top of the list of teams looking to acquire him, right?

[tski1972]

Why bother taxing for Bruce Brown when you could sign Javonte Green to do the same job.