Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[cedric76]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

As you said, once you opt out on moe and Joe you are roughly 51 M under

PG is looking at 210M over 4 years with a starting salary at 50M

Then you resign Moe and goga with mle and lle

Draft da Silva

Suggs, AB, Cole
PG, Jett, Cole
Franz, Houstan, Jett , da Silva
Paolo, Moe, JI ,da Silva
Wcj, JI,goga

This is the absolute All in move, would you do that?

TBH, I wouldn't, for 50M, I d rather to get a combos of players like Monk+ Melton or trade for Murray, etc ...

[cedric76]

I want Melton in Orlando, he is such a Wepark guy

26 yrs old, 6'3 , 6'8.5 wingspan, Elite defensive player with great IQ, can spread the floor

What i think we ll really do (no splashy moves, Just get Magic players)

Opt out on Moe and Joe
Draft Carlton Carrington and let him spend the whole year on G league (Like Jett)
Trade up using #47 and a future SRP to draft Ryan Dunn

52 M over 4 yrs for melton would be a great deal (13 Per)
92 M over 4 yrs for monk (23 Per)
32M over 4 yrs To Moe (8 per) Team option on yr 4
20 M over 4 yrs to GOGA (5 Per) Team option on Yr 3+4
1+1 Deal to Joe (just for his Vet presence)





Suggs,AB,cole
Monk, Melton,Jett
Franz,Jett,Houstan, Dunn
Paolo,moe,JI,Joe,Dunn
WCJ,JI,Goga

Roster: 15 Players
Suggs
AB
Cole
Monk
Melton
Jett
Franz
Houstan
Paolo
Moe
JI
Joe
Dunn
WCJ
Goga

[RookieStar]

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

at every position there is one guy who won't finish season due injuries.

THIS.

How many times have we heard that we were robbed od a great playoff series because ( choose one : Giannis , RAndle , Embiid , DON etc etc ) were injured. We need to load up and rely on our bench to get through the season and do your ritual sacrifice in hoping our stars PB and Franz are healthy for the POs

[drsd]

We need a poll.. do we prefer Klay or PG.

My question would be, "at what cost"?

George is both a better player and less likely to implode physically.
But: Assuming he opts out of his player option, George will want something like 4-years and 200M.
Now if we compare that to Thompson on 2-years and 70M, I would probably vote Thompson.

[RookieStar]

We need a poll.. do we prefer Klay or PG.

My question would be, "at what cost"?

George is both a better player and less likely to implode physically.
But: Assuming he opts out of his player option, George will want something like 4-years and 200M.
Now if we compare that to Thompson on 2-years and 70M, I would probably vote Thompson.

PG is 50m/yr? Wow.. yeah too rich for our blood unless hr is the missing piece for our ring

[SOUL]

I bet we get Monk out of all three

[meatwad4343]

We need a poll.. do we prefer Klay or PG.

My question would be, "at what cost"?

George is both a better player and less likely to implode physically.
But: Assuming he opts out of his player option, George will want something like 4-years and 200M.
Now if we compare that to Thompson on 2-years and 70M, I would probably vote Thompson.

PG is 50m/yr? Wow.. yeah too rich for our blood unless hr is the missing piece for our ring

I don't think PG makes us better than Boston next year, and following that you have to worry about his decline, more than likely that's going to be a terrible contract in year 3 and 4.

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C will have to be addressed in the future, but WCJ is completely fine, especially if he plays better than this year, which we know he can. Even on an off year, him and Claxton had pretty similar advanced stats (when factoring in total games played) - similar TS despite WCJ taking outside shots way more, same usage, assist rate, better offense and worse defense.

Not sure why we're so gung ho to pay Claxton 20-25 mil a year when we can get away with WCJ for 11 until it's time to upgrade.

I’ve been pushing Claxton harder than anyone, for a long time…but the money being talked about takes him out for me…he’s another one of those guys that can’t shoot Fts. Love to have him, but once it creeps past, say $22m…you have to remember what he is and isn’t. Same, but even more so with Hartenstein…he’s good & solid, but nothing special, once he gets his payday.

I’m down with WCJ, Mo and, increasingly more of Isaac at C. Maybe even some 5-out stuff with Point Center Paolo…like they experimented with on the national team. These funky schemes and non-traditional lineups fit with Weltman’s love for long, versatile players. If Goga would come back on another bargain deal…he’s nice insurance but not a priority. Paying your 3rd/4th best option at C more than $5m is no longer in the cards. I’d be fine with any summer activity focusing on backcourt improvement, starting with a combo guard who can help initiate offense…then, some real shooting.

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Honestly, that just seems like a panic move trying to win now and throw as much money around. Hardaway completely sucks, Klay is old and fastly declining. He is already a negative defensive player. Washington will probably match $20 mil per. I wouldn't pay more than $18 mil for that average poing guard.

To me, I am not even sure that team would beat last years Magic team. Definitely not a contender and would be locked in contracts for declining players. No thank you.

I mean not really?

Klay and Tyus would be on 2 year deals. Hardaway is an expiring deal.

But really it's all about adding shooting, and lots of it.

Made 3PT Last year
Klay 268
Hardaway 211
Tyus 106

Magic only had two guys make 100+ threes a year ago, and none made more than 170.

I like it…Murray still my fave, but yours is good team construction. Hardaway is expiring gravy- anything he does is a bonus…he’s good-sized and knocks down 3’s. I like Tyus in that 3rd guard spot, getting 25mpg- it makes me more comfortable with the illusion that Suggs is a starting PG. Klay, at least, opens things up A LOT inside, just by reputation…and I don’t think he’s a guy that fades quietly after a painful exit from his home in GSW. I’m not predicting All Star Klay, just a still very formidable multi-position threat.

[Knightro]

My primary concern with Klay is that he’s regressed pretty significantly defensively.

But offensively, he’s basically a way better version of Houstan aka shoot it every time you’re even partially open. And there’s a lot of value in that for a team that didn’t take or make a lot of threes last year.

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Sad times.

I also hate that rotation fwiw. Klay just seems like spending money for the sake of spending it. Center position still not addressed. Drafting 3rd string backups and AB out of his positional advantage.

I think they like their center rotation - the incumbent three guys from this year plus Isaac able to shift down and play some center in small stretches - more than the fans do.

I also think we have to be realistic about some of this stuff, specifically around the draft.

Whoever they pick at 18 is almost assuredly going to be a third stringer, at least at first. I don't think it's fair to expect the 18th pick in a weak draft to go into the rotation from the jump. Not for a team that's got relatively significant playoff aspirations.

I tend to agree with this in theory.

The Front Office likely is fine with the Center rotation for now, but it’s obvious that it needs to be addressed.

Same with the draft. It’s just kind of mind boggling to me that Orlando’s weaknesses were so glaringly obvious to even casual fans that the depth on this roster would compete for playing time outside of the big rotation. That’s simply not changing unless someone is moved. There are no minutes to be had.

I don’t think there is anyone at #18 that will come in and play huge minutes. I just have a hard time believing this FO solves a lot of these issues in free agency, that players like Houstan, Jett, etc. are substantially better, or that they end up retaining some of these other guys that were already sitting on the bench most of the season.

Klay is not good defensively. He’s also out of the league in 1 contract. Yeah, he can shoot. What is that worth though? I’ve kinda been arguing this point on older expensive players for a while now. They raise the talent level but when they leave their production has to be replaced. He’s not coming here for 2 seasons to come off the bench.

Why not just make the longer term decisions here? Stick to the draft and acquiring young(er) talent that actually can build something. Throwing money at declining big names is the opposite of that. It’s another way of kicking the can down the road to be completely honest, while satisfying casuals that think it means Orlando is actually attempting to get better. Does it help Orlando get better short term with shooting? Yes. Does it help Orlando long term? Absolutely not.

Signing Klay is basically saying “Jett Howard isn’t ready yet and might not even be the guy. We would rather play Suggs at point guard and think shooting was a bigger issue than playmaking at the point of attack/ ball movement.”

I just disagree with that entirely. Klay Thompson is not more impactful than Jalen Suggs right now. AB needs to be starting. Signing Klay would be signaling that this FO whiffed on both picks IMO with this move.

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I think there's still a very effective offensive player in there.

[Knightro]

Signing Klay is basically saying “Jett Howard isn’t ready yet and might not even be the guy. We would rather play Suggs at point guard and think shooting was a bigger issue than playmaking at the point of attack/ ball movement.”

I just disagree with that entirely. Klay Thompson is not more impactful than Jalen Suggs right now. AB needs to be starting. Signing Klay would be signaling that this FO whiffed on both picks IMO with this move.

I think it's less "we would rather play Suggs at point guard" and a lot more "we are comfortable with Paolo and Franz as the primary offensive facilitators and shot creators and are willing to live with the short-term ugliness because we believe in the long-term benefit" - now is that correct? I don't think it is, but that's what I would imagine they are thinking if they opt to go the Klay Thompson route.

I don't really think the organization actually sees Suggs as a point guard offensively in any respect. He is almost never tasked with actually initiating offense. I think they see Paolo and Franz as the defacto "point guards" (on ball creators/whatever term you want to describe it).

I think signing Klay would be an indication that the Magic are pretty comfortable with the group they used last year, only they are looking for better shooting and a lot more floor bending gravity in the Gary Harris spot off ball guard spot.

As far as Black starting, I don't think that needs to happen right now. I absolutely think they should move off of Cole no matter what happens so they can open up a 20-25 MPG rotation spot for the guy, but I don't think it's necessary that he starts right now. He's still only 20.

[Magicman125]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

Sign me up. Not the biggest THJ fan, but his last name is hardaway so if we're not getting the guy named Anfernee, next best thing I suppose.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

you really think Goga won't get a better deal then 5M a year?

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G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

at every position there is one guy who won't finish season due injuries.

THIS.

How many times have we heard that we were robbed od a great playoff series because ( choose one : Giannis , RAndle , Embiid , DON etc etc ) were injured. We need to load up and rely on our bench to get through the season and do your ritual sacrifice in hoping our stars PB and Franz are healthy for the POs

I don't know how much you can really do. Hoops is 5 guys on the floor and you just can't build a truly deep contending team with the salary cap. If Giannis, Embiid, Tatum, Jokic, Dame, Murray, SGA, Trae, Edwards, etc etc go down for any extended time - their "contenders" are lucky to make the playoffs. That's professional sports - particularly basketball.

Bench play is important, but not an antidote to major injury to stars...just can't win without stars.