Paul George basically confirming he's out of there!

[In-N-Out 247]

San Antonio is a good place for him. Despite what folks are saying teams should be multi-generational. George should go to a team staffed by younger players if those players are sufficiently good enough. Maybe that is the Magic. But the Spurs are a team on the rise with another couple high picks, a burgeoning superstar and trade flexibility.

Do the Spurs have the cap space to offer him a max deal?

Not without making a trade. They can get to about $17M in cap space by renouncing their free agents and waiving Devonte Graham (his deal is only 2.85M guaranteed - would save them $9.8M).

Quick Edit - They can get to about $21M in cap space by also waiving the non-guaranteed deals for Champagnie & Bassey.

[thelead]

WCJ
Paolo
Franz
PG
Suggs

That would be a solid lineup considering the bench depth too. Make it happen PG/Magic FO

[NYPiston]

He'd be a good fit in Orlando and whose to say that they wouldn't be a contender with PG13? Won 47 games and a 5 seed with an ascending young roster last season so I could see them taking an OKC level jump with a strong vet like George. If I was him, I'd rather go to Orlando than Philly.

[Chinook]

San Antonio is a good place for him. Despite what folks are saying teams should be multi-generational. George should go to a team staffed by younger players if those players are sufficiently good enough. Maybe that is the Magic. But the Spurs are a team on the rise with another couple high picks, a burgeoning superstar and trade flexibility.

Do the Spurs have the cap space to offer him a max deal?

Not without making a trade. They can get to about $17M in cap space by renouncing their free agents and waiving Devonte Graham (his deal is only 2.85M guaranteed - would save them $9.8M).

Quick Edit - They can get to about $21M in cap space by also waiving the non-guaranteed deals for Champagnie & Bassey.

They can get to $26.7 Million assuming they pay a team to take Graham's money, keep 4 and 8 and waive Champ and Bassey. This includes the roster charge. I wouldn't recommend the Spurs approach a George acquisition this way. An extend-and-trade is a much better outcome for them and the Clippers. The Spurs preserve the cap space to sign a guy like Monk or Paul, and the Clippers are actually able to get pieces back, which they're not allowed to do in a sign-and-trade as far as I read.

[Ckay]

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[uncleduck13]

He’s either staying in LA or going to Orlando. Philly and New York were always media pipe dreams. He’s not leaving beautiful sunny California to play in any of those cold, expensive, overrated Northeastern destinations. What does make sense is leaving LA for another sunny, warm city, with no state income taxes. Also to play with a young, emerging, star, who can play both ends, and doesn’t have a history of injuries.

[JustBuzzin]

He’s either staying in LA or going to Orlando. Philly and New York were always media pipe dreams. He’s not leaving beautiful sunny California to play in any of those cold, expensive, overrated Northeastern destinations. What does make sense is leaving LA for another sunny, warm city, with no state income taxes. Also to play with a young, emerging, star, who can play both ends, and doesn’t have a history of injuries.

Also South Beach just a 3 hour drive from Orlando. It's really a good situation for his family.

[uncleduck13]

He’s either staying in LA or going to Orlando. Philly and New York were always media pipe dreams. He’s not leaving beautiful sunny California to play in any of those cold, expensive, overrated Northeastern destinations. What does make sense is leaving LA for another sunny, warm city, with no state income taxes. Also to play with a young, emerging, star, who can play both ends, and doesn’t have a history of injuries.

Also South Beach just a 3 hour drive from Orlando. It's really a good situation for his family.

EDIT: my bad I thought you were suggesting the Heat lol

[Snotbubbles]

He'd be a good fit in Orlando and whose to say that they wouldn't be a contender with PG13? Won 47 games and a 5 seed with an ascending young roster last season so I could see them taking an OKC level jump with a strong vet like George. If I was him, I'd rather go to Orlando than Philly.

Weather is certainly nicer and no income tax. Think he's a better fit in Philly though.

[Magic_Johnny12]

In order for this to be feasible Orlando would have to do the following:

Opt out/Renounce Joe Ingles
Opt out/Renounce Jonathan Isaac

Renounce Markelle Fultz
Renounce Gary Harris
Renounce Chuma Okeke

This would open $58.5M

Paul George full 4yr. max = $212.2 ($53.05 yr.)

Orlando will then roughly have $5m in available cap and still be operating under the salary cap.

What the roster looks like assuming they keep their pick this draft and no other trades are made:

Suggs/Black
George/Anthony/Howard
Wagner/Houstan/#15
Banchero/M Wagner
Carter/Bitadze (cap hold retained in example above)

If I’m not mistaken Orlando would still have a little money to fill a hole (for cheap) and still be able to retain/resign Goga.

Dependent on how the season goes they can remain patient on acquiring a point guard and let the ball run through Paolo/George/Wagner and make a trade when it benefits them.

Orlando doesn’t have to do everything in one off season.

[In-N-Out 247]

In order for this to be feasible Orlando would have to do the following:

Opt out/Renounce Joe Ingles
Opt out/Renounce Jonathan Isaac

Renounce Markelle Fultz
Renounce Gary Harris
Renounce Chuma Okeke

This would open $58.5M

Paul George full 4yr. max = $212.2 ($53.05 yr.)

Orlando will then roughly have $5m in available cap and still be operating under the salary cap.

What the roster looks like assuming they keep their pick this draft and no other trades are made:

Suggs/Black
George/Anthony/Howard
Wagner/Houstan/#15
Banchero/M Wagner
Carter/Bitadze (cap hold retained in example above)

If I’m not mistaken Orlando would still have a little money to fill a hole (for cheap) and still be able to retain/resign Goga.

Dependent on how the season goes they can remain patient on acquiring a point guard and let the ball run through Paolo/George/Wagner and make a trade when it benefits them.

Orlando doesn’t have to do everything in one off season.

What's the thinking in Orlando - are they gonna cut Isaac and decline the TO on Ingles? Seems like not a big deal to let Fultz, Harris and Okeke walk as well.

[Magic_Johnny12]

In order for this to be feasible Orlando would have to do the following:

Opt out/Renounce Joe Ingles
Opt out/Renounce Jonathan Isaac

Renounce Markelle Fultz
Renounce Gary Harris
Renounce Chuma Okeke

This would open $58.5M

Paul George full 4yr. max = $212.2 ($53.05 yr.)

Orlando will then roughly have $5m in available cap and still be operating under the salary cap.

What the roster looks like assuming they keep their pick this draft and no other trades are made:

Suggs/Black
George/Anthony/Howard
Wagner/Houstan/#15
Banchero/M Wagner
Carter/Bitadze (cap hold retained in example above)

If I’m not mistaken Orlando would still have a little money to fill a hole (for cheap) and still be able to retain/resign Goga.

Dependent on how the season goes they can remain patient on acquiring a point guard and let the ball run through Paolo/George/Wagner and make a trade when it benefits them.

Orlando doesn’t have to do everything in one off season.

What's the thinking in Orlando - are they gonna cut Isaac and decline the TO on Ingles? Seems like not a big deal to let Fultz, Harris and Okeke walk as well.

They would have to renounce all mentioned to be able to sign Paul George.

However, Inglés could be brought back on a minimum deal (there’s rumor that we brought him on a way above market deal last summer and it was essentially paying it forward) and if I’m not mistaken Isaacs contract could be restructured.

I believe Fultz/Harris/Okeke days in Orlando are numbered.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but Philly is a disaster fit. Orlando easily makes the most sense, and he helps them tremendously. In Orlando, it's a team with a bunch of scrappy, defensive-minded athletes. They do the dirty work PG doesn't want to do. It's a clear plug-and-play fit there. With Philly, I see fit issues on both ends of the floor.

[SelfishPlayer]

He’s either staying in LA or going to Orlando. Philly and New York were always media pipe dreams. He’s not leaving beautiful sunny California to play in any of those cold, expensive, overrated Northeastern destinations. What does make sense is leaving LA for another sunny, warm city, with no state income taxes. Also to play with a young, emerging, star, who can play both ends, and doesn’t have a history of injuries.

Philly isn't expensive...

[In-N-Out 247]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but Philly is a disaster fit. Orlando easily makes the most sense, and he helps them tremendously. In Orlando, it's a team with a bunch of scrappy, defensive-minded athletes. They do the dirty work PG doesn't want to do. It's a clear plug-and-play fit there. With Philly, I see fit issues on both ends of the floor.

Philly is going to have an interesting offseason - they really just have Embiid under contract and of course Maxey will get his max. Other than that everyone is either a free agent or non-guaranteed/team option (Reed, Dowtin & Council). I assume some of the free agents will resign, but really hard to say what their team is going to look like.

Their cap situation could literally be:

Embiid - $51,415,938
Maxey - $13,031,760 (cap hold)
Incomplete roster charges - $11,029,290 (10)
Total Cap - $75,476,988

Cap space - $65,523,012

[uncleduck13]

He’s either staying in LA or going to Orlando. Philly and New York were always media pipe dreams. He’s not leaving beautiful sunny California to play in any of those cold, expensive, overrated Northeastern destinations. What does make sense is leaving LA for another sunny, warm city, with no state income taxes. Also to play with a young, emerging, star, who can play both ends, and doesn’t have a history of injuries.

Philly isn't expensive...

Still cold and overrated

[Snotbubbles]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but Philly is a disaster fit. Orlando easily makes the most sense, and he helps them tremendously. In Orlando, it's a team with a bunch of scrappy, defensive-minded athletes. They do the dirty work PG doesn't want to do. It's a clear plug-and-play fit there. With Philly, I see fit issues on both ends of the floor.

I think you're in the minority. Philly needs a wing player that can shoot the 3, take some of the ball handling responsibilities from Maxey and handle the scoring for the non-Embiid minutes. Not sure how Philly would use George on defense, since I don't know who else they're bringing back.

Personally, I think Lebron is a better fit for Philly or that they should go after a younger guy like Mile Bridges and fill out the rest of the roster with better subs rather than use most of their cap on George. They don't need another star, but Morey is gonna Morey.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but Philly is a disaster fit. Orlando easily makes the most sense, and he helps them tremendously. In Orlando, it's a team with a bunch of scrappy, defensive-minded athletes. They do the dirty work PG doesn't want to do. It's a clear plug-and-play fit there. With Philly, I see fit issues on both ends of the floor.

I think you're in the minority. Philly needs a wing player that can shoot the 3, take some of the ball handling responsibilities from Maxey and handle the scoring for the non-Embiid minutes. Not sure how Philly would use George on defense, since I don't know who else they're bringing back.

Personally, I think Lebron is a better fit for Philly or that they should go after a younger guy like Mile Bridges and fill out the rest of the roster with better subs rather than use most of their cap on George. They don't need another star, but Morey is gonna Morey.

Paul George in Philly would be best used as a 3-point specialist who occasionally plays defense. He would be a rich man's Batum role or something. Do you want your team to pay 50 million per year for a glorified role-player? Like Philly CAN theoretically offer him a very convenient complimentary role, but he'd be paid to be a legit all star without giving you that level of impact. Also... you do NOT want PG handling the ball trust me. Miles Bridges would be a worse fit IMO because PG is a top 5 3 point shooting talent, Bridges isn't. With the inside/out game of Maxey/Embiid I think a wing who can reliably shoot 3's is a must.

[madmaxmedia]

I think it might be wiser for the clippers to let pg go if he wants 4 years and transition to acquiring Derozan. Derozan is better at driving to the basket, has a more consistent mid-range game and is more durable. A 2 year deal for derozan would be better than a 4 year deal for pg

I agree- ideally we would trade PG and end up with Derozan and some other stuff. But if PG just signs elsewhere outright, I don't think we're in the position to acquire Derozan (especially if we want to re-sign Harden.)

[Un4given]

OKC can pay him what he wants and offer contention. Only LAC can offer the same.

Not sure OKC should give him that big of a contract, but they could.

I thought OKC had $23m in space?

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They can fairly easily get to about $33M in cap space. They just have to renounce their free agents (Hayward, Sarr, Biyombo, Muscala & Johnson). Then it looks like this:

SGA - $35,859,950
Dort - $16,500,000
Holmgren - $10,880,640
Giddey - $8,352,367
Williams - $6,669,000
Wallace - $5,555,880
Dieng - $5,027,040
#12 Draft pick - $4,950,480
Williams - $4,775,760
Waters - $2,196,970 (team option)
Joe - $2,164,993 (team option)
Williams - $2,164,993 (non-guaranteed)
Wiggins - $1,988,598 (team option)
Porter - $1,000,000 (dead money)
Total - $107,941,377
Potential Cap Space - $33,058,623

I think they have plenty of assets to make a trade to clear more space if needed.

I'm not a CBA expert so not 100% sure You can S&T player who just declined his player option but I'm guessing some kind of S&T would be plausible to both sides here... Quite sure LAC would see some combination of Giddey and some Williams not named Jalen + trade exception as at least some positive return and PG could be payed more. But I'm not really sure if OKC should really make that deal, maybe if there is a team option on that contract in year 3 or 4.