2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[drone3]

We are definitely picking up a young C with one of the picks... It's time

[Badgerlander]

We are definitely picking up a young C with one of the picks... It's time

It was time 3 years ago. If a complete player falls to us then sure but I’m not real interested in drafting Zeke Nnaji if Quickley, Jaden McDaniels, and Desmond Bane are still on the board

[Ron Swanson]

I wouldn't draft nearly half those guys over Holmes (Oso, Mogbo, Bridges, Ingram, etc.) but you'd clearly be drafting him for his offensive versatility (shooting potential, can put the ball on the floor, create off DHO's, high post, etc.), not his defense.

Jaylon Tyson is a switchable defender. Why on earth would you take Dunn over him over him when you can get a guy who can score at all three leveis as well.

I like Tyson a lot at either pick, but he's not in the same stratosphere as Dunn defensively and is really only a theoretical switching guy based on his physical profile. He really wasn't a good defender at Cal, just showed flashes.

[SirChurros]

Watching highlights of Missi and he’s a much better mover/more fluid than I expected him to be. And he is aggressive/finishes strong. I wouldn’t be mad about taking him. I don’t necessarily think it’s a must that whoever we replace Brook with has to space the floor.

[Bernman]

Are you guys seriously asking me to take the hyperbolic internet quote that Holmes can "switch all 5 positions" from a site called "Sports Business Classroom" seriously? I mean, here's a DX scouting report on Bobby before the 2015 Draft:

Defensively, Portis is constantly active and has the potential to guard either interior or perimeter players. He can leverage his size and strength to slow down big men in the paint and showed the ability to move his feet well enough to stay in front of guards on the perimeter when Arkansas switched on the pick and roll. With the intensity he brings to the court combined with his physical tools, he could help a team in multiple ways defensively and has the potential to be a nice asset for a NBA team on this end of the floor. -

Yeah, they really nailed that one...

Holmes looks a bit heavy footed, stiff, and mechanical to me. Not a fluid mover.

That doesn’t mean he can’t be switchable, but I don’t think it helps.

This. I don't know what to tell people other than to watch the tape. No need to feel personally attacked because I don't see any evidence Holmes is a "switchable" NBA defender unless you just have a really loose definition of that word.

Are you going to cherry-pick that much to make your case? I literally just went down a Google search list of a random sample of scouting reports up to 6, which was more than enough. All just coincidentally happened to have a bit about versatility and/or switchability. Funny for one of the least switchable/versatile guys at our spot.

But sure, be derisive toward one of their names, & conjure up one of their scouting reports (not that Bobby didn't even do well switching onto perimeter players early here like during our Championship run, they didn't credit his rim protection) from several years ago. Wonder what yours would show. All of us make mistakes about predicting the future, except you, apparently.

[bdpecore]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

First of all, I found it ironic the top two players had the same player comparison and even more so that most of the comparison players are ones posters on here have previously targeted.

All these players checked off the following boxes: High BBIQ, good size/length, leadership, good rebounder for their size, plays with purpose, decent passer, and willing defender.

All players were dinged for the following: Age, lack of speed/lateral quickness, average at best athleticism, and minimal upside.

Jack of all trades but master of none comes to mind when reading their evaluations. GMs, coaches and fans all know success in this league is only achieved by having star players on your roster. What gets lost in the mix is how valuable role players/glue guys are to the success of a team which already has star players. With a new CBA which penalizes "super teams", its imperative GMs use the draft to add inexpensive role players who can contribute for several seasons before receiving a bigger contract.

As much as I want the dream of Kel'el Ware becoming the next Myles Turner for the Bucks, the reality is the majority of these younger players with 'limitless" potential are either regulated to non-rotation spots on rosters or out of the league by the end of their rookie contracts. I'm all for swinging for the fences if the right opportunity presents itself but already an aging big three which requires use to focus on drafting more plug and play players to keep our current window open.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, we're all just guessing here. No need to get this pissy over my honest view that Holmes isn't at all a switchable NBA guy just because he racked up some impressive block numbers in college as a weak-side rim-protector. A couple of you guys really love DaRon Holmes. I think there's better options at 23.

[Ron Swanson]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

I think the theme that you discovered here is more that the scouts were dead wrong on most of these guys' positional labels. Brogdon and Derrick White had legitimate point skills. Nembhard was a guy I was super wrong on because I viewed him the opposite (he's a 3&D 2-guard more than he's a floor general type PG). It's why I think it's important to look more at translatable skills than it is to plug these guys into specific position or role archetypes.

[bdpecore]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

I think the theme that you discovered here is more that the scouts were dead wrong on most of these guys' positional labels. Brogdon and Derrick White had legitimate point skills. Nembhard was a guy I was super wrong on because I viewed him the opposite (he's a 3&D 2-guard more than he's a floor general type PG). It's why I think it's important to look more at translatable skills than it is to plug these guys into specific position or role archetypes.

Several of Brogdan's scouting reports suggested his ball handling needed improvement and he dribbled the ball with a hunch. Clearly he worked on both once turning pro.

[Bernman]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

First of all, I found it ironic the top two players had the same player comparison and even more so that most of the comparison players are ones posters on here have previously targeted.

All these players checked off the following boxes: High BBIQ, good size/length, leadership, good rebounder for their size, plays with purpose, decent passer, and willing defender.

All players were dinged for the following: Age, lack of speed/lateral quickness, average at best athleticism, and minimal upside.

Jack of all trades but master of none comes to mind when reading their evaluations. GMs, coaches and fans all know success in this league is only achieved by having star players on your roster. What gets lost in the mix is how valuable role players/glue guys are to the success of a team which already has star players. With a new CBA which penalizes "super teams", its imperative GMs use the draft to add inexpensive role players who can contribute for several seasons before receiving a bigger contract.

As much as I want the dream of Kel'el Ware becoming the next Myles Turner for the Bucks, the reality is the majority of these younger players with 'limitless" potential are either regulated to non-rotation spots on rosters or out of the league by the end of their rookie contracts. I'm all for swinging for the fences if the right opportunity presents itself but already an aging big three which requires use to focus on drafting more plug and play players to keep our current window open.

Indeed, youth is overrated, & vets underrated, at this point of the draft. When it comes to youth, you're typically buying on a guy who wasn't good early, but you're hoping will still come around. For the vets, they'd already come good, in college. Why isn't that better? It's about the best the young player could have done if they stayed (which they probably should have).

You can get older stars here. Middleton was one at 39. Redd was one for us at 43 back in the day. Some modern examples would be Jalen Brunson, who went 33. Jimmy Butler went 30th. I'd say Bane is a core player, & Nembhard probably will be.

Our best since '16 are DiVincenzo & Brogdon. 3-4 yr college guys who helped us immediately & peaked as borderline core players. So these type of guys can be win-win, & the alternatives lose-lose.

The obvious fit for the category this yr would be Shannon. Scheirman secondarily. Simpson could really overachieve. He keeps succeeding everywhere. I just have a tough time coming around due to the size & fit next to Dame.

[bdpecore]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

First of all, I found it ironic the top two players had the same player comparison and even more so that most of the comparison players are ones posters on here have previously targeted.

All these players checked off the following boxes: High BBIQ, good size/length, leadership, good rebounder for their size, plays with purpose, decent passer, and willing defender.

All players were dinged for the following: Age, lack of speed/lateral quickness, average at best athleticism, and minimal upside.

Jack of all trades but master of none comes to mind when reading their evaluations. GMs, coaches and fans all know success in this league is only achieved by having star players on your roster. What gets lost in the mix is how valuable role players/glue guys are to the success of a team which already has star players. With a new CBA which penalizes "super teams", its imperative GMs use the draft to add inexpensive role players who can contribute for several seasons before receiving a bigger contract.

As much as I want the dream of Kel'el Ware becoming the next Myles Turner for the Bucks, the reality is the majority of these younger players with 'limitless" potential are either regulated to non-rotation spots on rosters or out of the league by the end of their rookie contracts. I'm all for swinging for the fences if the right opportunity presents itself but already an aging big three which requires use to focus on drafting more plug and play players to keep our current window open.

Indeed, youth is overrated, & vets underrated, at this point of the draft. When it comes to youth, you're typically buying on a guy who wasn't good early, but you're hoping will still come around. For the vets, they'd already come good, in college. Why isn't that better? It's about the best the young player could have done if they stayed (which they probably should have).

You can get older stars here. Middleton was one at 39. Redd was one for us at 43 back in the day. Some modern examples would be Jalen Brunson, who went 33. Jimmy Butler went 30th. I'd say Bane is a core player, & Nembhard probably will be.

Our best since '16 are DiVincenzo & Brogdon. 3-4 yr college guys who helped us immediately & peaked as borderline core players. So these type of guys can be win-win, & the alternatives lose-lose.

The obvious fit for the category this yr would be Shannon. Scheirman secondarily. Simpson could really overachieve. He keeps succeeding everywhere. I just have a tough time coming around due to the size & fit next to Dame.

I don't see Simpson as playing alongside Dame but more as his back up who runs the 2nd unit and provides some instant offense off the bench. He could really thrive in a TJ McConnell/Dennis Schroder bench role.

[Bernman]

I don't see Simpson as playing alongside Dame but more as his back up who runs the 2nd unit and provides some instant offense off the bench. He could really thrive in a TJ McConnell/Dennis Schroder bench role.

For that role, I wouldn't be disappointed w/ him at 33. I would at 23. It's a backup vs. potential starter in the near future.

[PG Graveyard]

We should draft a superstar like Giannis at 23. Who is that guy?

[bdpecore]

We should draft a superstar like Giannis at 23. Who is that guy?

If we knew the answer he would be holding up a Hawks jersey tomorrow night.

[pilprin]

What's the feeling on Filipowski? Gone or too slow?

[RiotPunch]

Obviously, competition level is a legit question mark in some of these, but Holmes does well in a pinch if he has to switch onto a guard/wing.

https://youtu.be/YrES_3MDdNo?si=ePwxQCQgqmbBmn3j&t=1081

https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2024-03-23/arizona-wildcats-vs-dayton-flyers-condensed-game-202421146

https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2024-03-21/dayton-flyers-vs-nevada-wolf-pack-condensed-game-202421058

Switchable to me means if a guard forces a switch at the top of the key the center is able to move his feet enough to limit dribble penetration towards the basket without looking like Larry Sanders at the club. Holmes has good instincts on the corners but I don’t see prime Robert Williams athleticism there. Holmes looks like Bobby against arizona’s bigs at times and they aren’t exactly nba level guys

Totally. He can not stay in front of guards super effectively, but he has a great ability to recover and get blocks from behind. Bobby is a little harsh, but I guess that is fair from a lateral movement perspective.

[Bernman]

Totally. He can not stay in front of guards super effectively, but he has a great ability to recover and get blocks from behind. Bobby is a little harsh, but I guess that is fair from a lateral movement perspective.

I don't understand why Bobby isn't viewed as a success in switches early in his career here. He couldn't recover on pick and rolls. But when he was asked to even switch onto guards, he was altering their shots regularly. It was important to the Bucks' title.

Bobby just declined physically around when he had his knee injury year before last. It showed up in his rebounding too. He was pushing 10 rebounds per game, dipped into the 8's, & this yr was in the 7's. He can't jump over a phone book. Lost explosion.

Holmes recorded a tier up from Bobby in all his athletic tests at the combine. This is reflected in his comparative shot-blocking rate, which did translate against tougher comp. Rebounding not so much.

A better defensive version of Bobby here would improve our versatility & switchability.

[emunney]

What's the feeling on Filipowski? Gone or too slow?

I think he's gone but I'm not as confident in that as I once was. Very skilled and nimble, but I expect that he's going to have an adjustment period and needs to get substantially stronger. I don't see him as a full time C, at least until he can put on some good weight.

[yb90]

I went back and looked at draft analysis for older college wings who were drafted in the 25-50 range who we would want starting at SG for us alongside our big three. Here's the list with their player comparison.

Malcolm Brogdon (Keith Bogans)
Josh Hart (Keith Bogans)
Derrick White (E'Twaun Moore)
Desmond Bane (Courtney Lee)
Ayo Dosunmu (Delon Wright)
Andrew Nembhard (Austin Reaves)

I think the theme that you discovered here is more that the scouts were dead wrong on most of these guys' positional labels. Brogdon and Derrick White had legitimate point skills. Nembhard was a guy I was super wrong on because I viewed him the opposite (he's a 3&D 2-guard more than he's a floor general type PG). It's why I think it's important to look more at translatable skills than it is to plug these guys into specific position or role archetypes.

As a FLA fan I got to watch him for a while now and he just morphs into whatever guard role he needs to play. He is in a 3 and D role when Hali is healthy but when he was out the line up Nembhard ran the show and put up big numbers as a scorer and passer. If he keeps improving he could be the next Brunson.

[PG Graveyard]

What's the feeling on Filipowski? Gone or too slow?

It’s white boy summer right?