New York/Detroit

[JayTWill]

New York out - Robinson. McBride, #24, #25, 2025 Detroit Protected pick (Top 13 protected in 2025. Top 11 in 2026, Top 9 in 2027)
Detroit out - #5, Sasser

The Knicks combine 2 late 1st round picks along with the Detroit protected pick to the one team that will value it the most to move up to #5 in this draft while moving off of Robinson's last 2 years to hopefully find a cheaper and healthier replacement. They also swap a good young 3 and D guard for a guard with more potential as an on-ball microwave scorer for a bench unit that struggled to generate offense.

Personally would do this to draft Castle to add more size and defensive versatility to the guard position as hopefully his offensive game progresses. Then I would look to sign Goga as a cheaper Robinson replacement. The Knicks would have to be pretty confident in their ability to re-sign iHart to do this deal though.

From Detroit's perspective they move back in a draft that they may not be high on anyone at their draft slot for 2 later chances to fill holes while also gaining control of their draft pick going forward that I actually think would convey as a pick in the late lottery to mid first round in the next few years. They also pick up 2 complimentary rotational pieces during a year where the talent in the free agency pool is limited and they may not be able to attract anyone.

I see 3 and D guys like McBride and Grimes as better fits next to Cade and Ivey. When healthy and in shape Mitch is one of the better defensive centers in the league but the Pistons still have Duren and Stewert who can hold down the minutes if he misses time. Hopefully Mitch can stay healthy in a smaller role away from Thibs.

[Colbinii]

I'd hate for Detroit to sell so low on a high lottery pick.

[Snakebites]

It's tempting as a "rip the band-aid off and just have all of our picks moving forward" type move perspective, but I don't think I quite have the stomach for it.

If we're trading this pick to me we should either be getting more help for our current roster than we're getting here or we should be trading down into the lower lottery if we're high on someone there.

Don't hate it, I think it's a reasonable offer. But I'd probably pass personally.

[theBigLip]

Fair trade for Detroit. I even like Sassar. Not sure what to do w 24&25 when we already have a lot of youth on the roster.

[JayTWill]

I'd hate for Detroit to sell so low on a high lottery pick.

I actually don't see it as selling low. I see it as trading the #5 pick in a draft weaker in talent at the top end that normally might be drafted later in the lottery for a pick that actually could convey as a late lottery pick in a better draft + 2 more late first rounders, 2 rotational pieces that fill a need and control of their pick.

[Mavrelous]

keep #25 with the Knicks, and add the Wizards pick and Knicks 2025 1st.
Still, I wouldn't pull the trigger if Reed Sheppard is there at #5...

[JayTWill]

Fair trade for Detroit. I even like Sassar. Not sure what to do w 24&25 when we already have a lot of youth on the roster.

I wasn't sure what Detroit would do with more youth either but I thought there might be a possibility that they would not be able to trade for or attract veteran talent to your team in free agency so maybe you could draft a higher floor/lower ceiling guy here with 1 or both of those picks

[jayjaysee]

keep #25 with the Knicks, and add the Wizards pick and Knicks 2025 1st.
Still, I wouldn't pull the trigger if Reed Sheppard is there at #5...

Yeah, this feels right to me. OP feels short for Detroit.

But really don’t like the idea of Detroit trading out of the top of the lottery.

[Snakebites]

keep #25 with the Knicks, and add the Wizards pick and Knicks 2025 1st.
Still, I wouldn't pull the trigger if Reed Sheppard is there at #5...

I don't believe he will be. I used to think it was a possibility.

[Mavrelous]

keep #25 with the Knicks, and add the Wizards pick and Knicks 2025 1st.
Still, I wouldn't pull the trigger if Reed Sheppard is there at #5...

I don't believe he will be. I used to think it was a possibility.

You never know, Luka fell to 3rd...

[dakomish23]

I'd love this if we had a chance at Sarr at #5

[R-DAWG]

I personally think the Detroit pick has a high probability of conveying in the 10-14 range in a few years, which I think is more valuable than the #5 pick in this years draft. I just don't see the win now plus upside fit for NY with how the board is playing out.

[vege]

Detroit need to go the other way around, combine assets for upgrades, not break an asset (or 3 in reality, the pick, raw cap space and sasser) into minor pieces.

Instead of helping the Knicks AGAIN, Detroit should send big offers to Hartenstein and OG.

[Texas Chuck]

How can we possibly know what players are available in a range we don't know where that pick will convey or even what year?

How do we know anything about those prospects being better than the 5th best one now?

I remember Skal less than a year before his draft being 1st overall. Same with Shabazz. Ooops. Other guys nobody was even talking about were high lotto picks and turned into great NBA players.

[JayTWill]

Detroit need to go the other way around, combine assets for upgrades, not break an asset (or 3 in reality, the pick, raw cap space and sasser) into minor pieces.

Instead of helping the Knicks AGAIN, Detroit should send big offers to Hartenstein and OG.

Do you honestly think Detroit is currently an attractive destination for either of those players at this point in time?

[vege]

Emoni Bates was hyped and I remember threads and a lot of people saying Detroit should tank to draft him #1

[vege]

Detroit need to go the other way around, combine assets for upgrades, not break an asset (or 3 in reality, the pick, raw cap space and sasser) into minor pieces.

Instead of helping the Knicks AGAIN, Detroit should send big offers to Hartenstein and OG.

Do you honestly think Detroit is currently an attractive destination for either of those players at this point in time?

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

[JayTWill]

How can we possibly know what players are available in a range we don't know where that pick will convey or even what year?

How do we know anything about those prospects being better than the 5th best one now?

I remember Skal less than a year before his draft being 1st overall. Same with Shabazz. Ooops. Other guys nobody was even talking about were high lotto picks and turned into great NBA players.

We don't know that another draft will have better players available but there seems to be a consensus that this draft is low on top end talent. I'm assuming this trade could be made when both teams know what is available at #5. Yes, there is a gamble involved for both teams but Detroit is being compensated for that gamble with multiple other assets.

[JayTWill]

Detroit need to go the other way around, combine assets for upgrades, not break an asset (or 3 in reality, the pick, raw cap space and sasser) into minor pieces.

Instead of helping the Knicks AGAIN, Detroit should send big offers to Hartenstein and OG.

Do you honestly think Detroit is currently an attractive destination for either of those players at this point in time?

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

[Snakebites]

Do you honestly think Detroit is currently an attractive destination for either of those players at this point in time?

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

OG is in a completely different situation than Grant too. OG has proven a lot more and is a lot more desirable himself than Grant was. We landed Grant in part because we offered him a larger role than the one he had in Denver.

The Pistons as is do present a strong opportunity to the right player. Hard to imagine that being OG though. My suspicion is he's just angling for more money and will likely end up back in New York.