The Yankees are now dealing out of Fear..

[nykgeneralmanager]

Neither had to do with his arm, but they were big enough injuries to destroy a player's season and he still came back very strong.

[VinnyTheMick]

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His 2007 season was supposed to take place in Scranton, at least until July/August. Injuries to 3 starters, and 2 replacements, pushed that up by 3 or 4 months. Anything Hughes did this season was a bonus, he was a 20 year old...the youngest pitcher in all of baseball pitching in a pennant race, and he was still our best pitcher in the month of September. Please tell me, what were YOUR expectations for him? Youngest pitcher in baseball, rushed to the majors ahead of schedule, two major injuries, and he STILL was able to pitch us into the playoffs with an ERA below 3 in September, and he STILL won our only game in the postseason.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just listing what some people in the FO probably think.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just listing what some people in the FO probably think.

Yeah I see what you're saying. But I'd look at it the opposite way and say that based on all the circumstances, I've come away even MORE impressed by Hughes.

[VinnyTheMick]

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Yeah I see what you're saying. But I'd look at it the opposite way and say that based on all the circumstances, I've come away even MORE impressed by Hughes.

As would I. Unfortunately, our FO isn't the most rational thinking group of men in the world....

I still think back to IPK not being on the post season roster. If he hadn't gotten injured & relieved Wang in one of his clunkers, maybe his stock would have been much higher.

[ccvle]

With the money that Santana is going to demand(150-175Mil), we could instead spend it on mark teixeira AND some one like ben sheets in 09.

Hughes,Mark Texeira and ben sheets

or

johan santana.


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[Jitpal]

With the money that Santana is going to demand(150-175Mil), we could instead spend it on mark teixeira AND some one like ben sheets in 09.

Hughes,Mark Texeira and ben sheets

or

johan santana.


????

It's more like Hughes, Teixiera, Sabbathia or Santana and Rowand. Same cost except we actually fill some holes instead of creating them. They want a gritty player to fit in with all the stars, Hughes and Melky are those two guys. -Jitpal

[Pharmcat]

In my life time, I have found that when you deal from a position of fear, you always lose.

The yanks did it with Posada, and gave into an extra year, and now they are doing it with johan. Including Hughes in this deal, in which santana has a no trade clause, and will be a free agent soon, is just stupid. The yanks have to be confident in what they have, not in what the red sox can get. If the sox want to pony up and get santana, then good, we will play them on the field, not on paper!!!

The twins after seeing the yankees cave in and include hughes, went right back to the sox and asked for clay buckholz and the sox told them to go kick rocks in so many words. Wow the sox are now dealing like the yankees of the 90's used to deal. From a position of power! We are dealing from a position of fear....

The indians had two aces who both had a better year than santana this year, and they lost to the red sox.... again, you play the game on the field. I would go to fight with Hughes, joba, kennedy and wang, and let the chips fall where they may. I enjoyed all the championships we won over the last 10 years, and I want to see another run just like that, but it requires patience, and not cashing in all of your future chips.. I mean why get a young coach is girardi and then make a when now move with santana, hell they just should have kept torre. I thought they were looking to the future and building another dynasty. when santana is 33 and on the decline with all those innings on that shoulder, hughes will be 25 and dominating the AL most likely..

I hope they don't make this trade...

tkf, you have it semi right, but what we are seeing with the yanks is what happens when you have a weak farm

case 1:

had the yanks developed a catcher in the farm who is major league ready: we tell Posada to take the 3, or we are more than comfortable to go with this other guy

case 2:

we have had no ace thru our system come in the last 10 years, so you know Hank will trade a "potential" ace to get a "current" ace simply b/c of the drought

basically, when you have a strong farm, you can deal better...had we had a strong farm, we prolly couldve gotten beckett

of course things are changing now with Cash in charge of the farm, but we are still seeing the lingering effects of not investing in the farm in the late 90s and early 2000s

[ccvle]

This is no go for me not just because of hughes, but also the +150mil that it will take to sign santana. Some of you may not believe it but the yankees do have a budget. To me,hughes+melky+prospect(s) is not for santana, but just for the right to sign him.

[ccvle]

instead of hoping santana to be the savior, we should just build a solid all around team. Remember when we though giambi was the answer to everything? A-rod? Randy Randy Johnson?

[Ballings7]

None of those guys are Johan Santana. Specifically with Randy, Johan's in the prime of his career. Not on the downside, and not what he was.

Santana/Wang/Joba/Pettitte or Kennedy/Kennedy or someone else would be a good rotation.

[TKF]

None of those guys are Johan Santana. Specifically with Randy, Johan's in the prime of his career. Not on the downside, and not what he was.

Santana/Wang/Joba/Pettitte or Kennedy/Kennedy or someone else would be a good rotation.

Santana already has had his best years. This is not boston trading hanley Ramirez and another prospect for Beckett was was 25, a WS MVP and still had his best years ahead of him.

Johan is still great, but I doubt we will see another 2003-2006 type of performance from him. Hughes is no where near his prime, so why trade this type of high end pitcher with his best years ahead of him for a pitcher on a team that really doesn't have a lot of leverege in these deals... Johan will be a FA and he has a no trade clause..

If johan was 25 comming off two all world type of years, then including hughes would a no brainer....

[gooGD]

I agree with TKF here..

At first, I thought dealing Hughes for Santana was a no brainer. But now that I look at the situation, I think that the Yankees are getting swindled here. Boston is probably not a real "contender" for Santana. I honestly dont believe that a package of Lester/Crisp is anything special. I've seen Lester pitch a lot this summer and I've seen 2-3 starts before he got hurt, and I don't think hes really "special" like Hughes is. Hes a lefty with control issues without a dominant pitch. Unless Buchholz is in that deal, I honestly think the Mets have better prospects. IMO its just posturing from Boston/Twins to get more out of the Yankees.

I think that not letting Hughes develop is a BIG mistake. Lets say Hughes has another "OK" year (~4.2era) then I can see trading him for a frontline starter. But this kid came back from a tricky injury and basically featured 2 pitches after he was hurt (for whatever reason). The Yankees spent so much time saying that he was untouchable and that he was the next big ace, and now he gets traded for a 29 year old with declining numbers?

I think dealing Hughes is a big mistake. Including Horne is an even bigger mistake. I think most Yankee fans can live with Hughes/Cabrera/Tabata but not for Horne. There is one cardinal rule in baseball trading... KEEP YOUR YOUNG ARMS at all costs!!!!