2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[yb90]

Totally. He can not stay in front of guards super effectively, but he has a great ability to recover and get blocks from behind. Bobby is a little harsh, but I guess that is fair from a lateral movement perspective.

I don't understand why Bobby isn't viewed as a success in switches early in his career here. He couldn't recover on pick and rolls. But when he was asked to even switch onto guards, he was altering their shots regularly. It was important to the Bucks' title.

Bobby just declined physically around when he had his knee injury year before last. It showed up in his rebounding too. He was pushing 10 rebounds per game, dipped into the 8's, & this yr was in the 7's. He can't jump over a phone book. Lost explosion.

Holmes recorded a tier up from Bobby in all his athletic tests at the combine. This is reflected in his comparative shot-blocking rate, which did translate against tougher comp. Rebounding not so much.

A better defensive version of Bobby here would improve our versatility & switchability.

Bobby never was explosive but he definitely lost some explosion. I do think his rebounding has more to do with less playing time and coaching changes than anything physical. He had his best rebounding numbers last year and this year was not too far off his normal rates. Even his per 36 was 10.9 rebs for this past year

[German Athens]

I’m fully in the “losing the plot” part of draft prep.

I’m anxious and damn excited for the draft, sipping’ a ton of tea, confidently telling myself I’d rather have Terrence Shannon than terance Mann, that we could draft Shannon and Dunn and that it would be better than the proven commodity those picks would net us, even for this coming playoffs.

I’m becoming irrationally attached to “my guys”, and I hope some of you are too. Here’s to ratcheting up the angst.

[Fotis St]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

[German Athens]

If Atlanta actually takes Clingan at 1, can we trade for Okongwu?

[drone3]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

Ryan Dunn is literally X rated

[emunney]

Ryan Dunn definitely ****

[emunney]

If we draft Dunn and Scheierman, either one of those guys could be an x factor at some point this season for totally different reasons. The best defensive player and the best offensive player in the NCAA. Would be so dumb if they were available at 23 and 33.

[AntetokounmBros]

I'm intrigued by this "Pick Forfeited" guy connected to Philly and Phoenix. Not finding much info on him.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm intrigued by this "Pick Forfeited" guy connected to Philly and Phoenix. Not finding much info on him.

Best twins since Cody and Caleb.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yes, we're all just guessing here. No need to get this pissy over my honest view that Holmes isn't at all a switchable NBA guy just because he racked up some impressive block numbers in college as a weak-side rim-protector.

So you think that's why we think he's switchable? Not because we actually watched him switch? Not because when he switches he holds guards and wings to 30something% shooting? And maybe we're impressed that he does it without fouling, and he only averages 2 fouls a game?

First I thought you had the wrong Holmes, but maybe you're using switchable in a different context?

[ReasonablySober]

Yes, we're all just guessing here. No need to get this pissy over my honest view that Holmes isn't at all a switchable NBA guy just because he racked up some impressive block numbers in college as a weak-side rim-protector.

So you think that's why we think he's switchable? Not because we actually watched him switch? Not because when he switches he holds guards and wings to 30something% shooting? And maybe we're impressed that he does it without fouling, and he only averages 2 fouls a game?

First I thought you had the wrong Holmes, but maybe you're using switchable in a different context?

Again, played for Dayton.

[ShootingtheJ]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Defensively, he has a close to excellent chance of being the best defensive non center in the league. And he's just plain fun.

[FrieAaron]

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Dunn would be an exciting pick in his own right, even though he was just outside my top 10 that might fall to us but, again, the worry isn't just that he shot poorly from three. He also shot 50% from FT both seasons. That's by far the bigger concern with his shooting. Maybe he still finds a way to be a solid contributor without that but I haven't thought of a real good comp or precedent for it.

[bdpecore]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Defensively, he has a close to excellent chance of being the best defensive non center in the league. And he's just plain fun.

My biggest fear is drafting Dunn to improve our defense in the playoffs only to have his defender sag off of him to the point we’re playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. Dallas found a way to get OKC to bench Giddey who’s a good offensive player and much better 3pt shooter than Dunn. I have no doubt teams will find a way to exploit Dunn in the playoffs and make him a non-factor if he cannot develop into a serviceable 3pt shooter. Based on his numbers I have little reason to believe this will ever happen which I why I’d prefer Horst drafts Shannon or McCullar who can keep a defense honest while still being an above average defender.

[ShootingtheJ]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Defensively, he has a close to excellent chance of being the best defensive non center in the league. And he's just plain fun.

My biggest fear is drafting Dunn to improve our defense in the playoffs only to have his defender sag off of him to the point we’re playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. Dallas found a way to get OKC to bench Giddey who’s a good offensive player and much better 3pt shooter than Dunn. I have no doubt teams will find a way to exploit Dunn in the playoffs and make him a non-factor if he cannot develop into a serviceable 3pt shooter. Based on his numbers I have little reason to believe this will ever happen which I why I’d prefer Horst drafts Shannon or McCullar who can keep a defense honest while still being an above average defender.

We survived with PJ being unguarded, and Dunn can at least be a lob threat, plus he'll crash the offensive glass. He's an outstanding rebounder. Better ball handler than PJ.

It's not ideal, and he's not my first choice, but he's an option

[ShootingtheJ]

Yes, we're all just guessing here. No need to get this pissy over my honest view that Holmes isn't at all a switchable NBA guy just because he racked up some impressive block numbers in college as a weak-side rim-protector.

So you think that's why we think he's switchable? Not because we actually watched him switch? Not because when he switches he holds guards and wings to 30something% shooting? And maybe we're impressed that he does it without fouling, and he only averages 2 fouls a game?

First I thought you had the wrong Holmes, but maybe you're using switchable in a different context?

Again, played for Dayton.

This is exactly the thinking that had scouts ignoring Jalen Williams and Brandin Pods. Simply not doing the work to see their strength of schedule, watching tape versus their toughest opponents, or even watching Big Dance games. Act like Dayton and Santa Clara only play scrubs.

Including Pods last year, it could be steals 3 years in a row because unwittingly discrediting a non power 5 school. All while the power 5 schools only play at home in the non conference, against schools like IUPUI and Incarnate Word, but those stats still count

[FrieAaron]

We survived with PJ being unguarded, and Dunn can at least be a lob threat, plus he'll crash the offensive glass. He's an outstanding rebounder. Better ball handler than PJ.

It's not ideal, and he's not my first choice, but he's an option

Yeah, that's true. Can't remember how much teams were sagging off PJ by then but maybe Dunn's threat as an offensive rebounder will help there, I don't know.

[bdpecore]

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Defensively, he has a close to excellent chance of being the best defensive non center in the league. And he's just plain fun.

My biggest fear is drafting Dunn to improve our defense in the playoffs only to have his defender sag off of him to the point we’re playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. Dallas found a way to get OKC to bench Giddey who’s a good offensive player and much better 3pt shooter than Dunn. I have no doubt teams will find a way to exploit Dunn in the playoffs and make him a non-factor if he cannot develop into a serviceable 3pt shooter. Based on his numbers I have little reason to believe this will ever happen which I why I’d prefer Horst drafts Shannon or McCullar who can keep a defense honest while still being an above average defender.

We survived with PJ being unguarded, and Dunn can at least be a lob threat, plus he'll crash the offensive glass. He's an outstanding rebounder. Better ball handler than PJ.

It's not ideal, and he's not my first choice, but he's an option

PJ also shot 32.2% on 4.6 3PA in the playoffs and has a reputation as being a good corner 3pt shooter which kept his defender from sagging off. His playoff ORtg was 119 so he was clearly wasn’t considered a non-factor on offense like Dunn would be. Also it’s hard to crash hard on the boards when your standing in the corner to keep the lane open for our big three. Honestly I’d rather they sign Cam Reddish than waste our first on Dunn.

[ShootingtheJ]

So you think that's why we think he's switchable? Not because we actually watched him switch? Not because when he switches he holds guards and wings to 30something% shooting? And maybe we're impressed that he does it without fouling, and he only averages 2 fouls a game?

First I thought you had the wrong Holmes, but maybe you're using switchable in a different context?

Again, played for Dayton.

This is exactly the thinking that had scouts ignoring Jalen Williams and Brandin Pods. Simply not doing the work to see their strength of schedule, watching tape versus their toughest opponents, or even watching Big Dance games. Act like Dayton and Santa Clara only play scrubs.

Including Pods last year, it could be steals 3 years in a row because unwittingly discrediting a non power 5 school. All while the power 5 schools only play at home in the non conference, against schools like IUPUI and Incarnate Word, but those stats still count

BTW, Dayton was 14th in the country in strength of schedule. Were you pointing this out to compliment Holmes? I can't keep track of backers and detractors. Apologies if you were backing him.

[midranger]

It’s hard to play 4 on 5 on either end in the playoffs.

Need 5 two way players to close games and play bulk of minutes. Even if they just bring one offensive skill to the half court offense, you need them to be a threat to do something.