Woj: Thunder Trade Josh Giddey to Bulls for Alex Caruso

[durden_tyler]

That's one less suitor for Hartstein now

How so? i think this means they pursue him even more. Someone will overpay for him and could be OKC?

Dont they now have to pay to reup caruso now?

Why would they re-up Caruso now? Why not wait for FA?

[Pointgod]

Yeah OKC can absorb Lopez into their cap space without needing to trade any players away. If they wanted to, for Milwaukee, they could re-sign Gordon Hayward to a small deal if the Bucks felt they could use him off the bench. Otherwise, a couple picks should get the job done.

Why do the Bucks do that? They need to get better on defence not worse

[Pointgod]

Smh, bulls have no idea what they are doing. What an awful trade.

Bulls are the Detroit Pistons of Washington Wizards

[MavsDirk41]

OKC is a clear winner in this trade i think. Caruso is a 3 and D point guard. Giddey can push the pace and pass the ball but he is a guard who cant shoot. Caruso and Dort in the backcourt is really good defensively.

Yeah I don't like having Caruso Dort and SGA. That's too small for perimeter defense. I want a proper physical 6'7" SF who can at least match up with Kawhi or PG and the likes. Otherwise size becomes a problem for OKC both on the inside and out the outside. They are SKINNY and small as is.

It's not ideal but it can work against most matchups.

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

[___Rand___]

Poor mans Derrick White.

OKC is scary now. Goddamn.

I have them winning the title.


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How are they gonna go through Twolves and Nuggets without size in the middle?

[magee]

Yeah OKC can absorb Lopez into their cap space without needing to trade any players away. If they wanted to, for Milwaukee, they could re-sign Gordon Hayward to a small deal if the Bucks felt they could use him off the bench. Otherwise, a couple picks should get the job done.

Why do the Bucks do that? They need to get better on defence not worse

Oh I know. It was as much a reference as to what the Bucks could do, aka trade for a wing player and picks, if they deal Lopez. I'm with ya. Just hard to find teams who could absorb Lopez's deal and also offer picks like the Thunder can. Was only thinking about Hayward if Milwaukee thought he might be able to provide something off the bench.

[cupcakesnake]

lol good luck scoring against Caruso/Dort lineups.

Shai/Dort/Caruso/J.Dub/Chet is a hilarious defensive unit. I also think Caruso, despite being smaller than Giddey, upgrades the Thunder physically. Caruso is so tough and such a good athlete that he's kind of like having a power forward out there.

Caruso is not quite the playmaker that Giddey is, but he's up to the task of filling Giddey's role as a tertiary creator. Caruso a much more efficient scorer than Giddey. Caruso is easier to slot into lineups.

This fits the Thunder's identity of a much of super mobile ballhandlers who play fast and bigger than their size.

[___Rand___]

OKC is a clear winner in this trade i think. Caruso is a 3 and D point guard. Giddey can push the pace and pass the ball but he is a guard who cant shoot. Caruso and Dort in the backcourt is really good defensively.

Yeah I don't like having Caruso Dort and SGA. That's too small for perimeter defense. I want a proper physical 6'7" SF who can at least match up with Kawhi or PG and the likes. Otherwise size becomes a problem for OKC both on the inside and out the outside. They are SKINNY and small as is.

It's not ideal but it can work against most matchups.

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

[benhillboy]

OkC saw the Celtics basically carry their regular season point differential through the playoffs. They swapped a career -3.6 on/off player for a +5.4 one. If Caruso stays relatively healthy for the duration of his time there this will turn out to be a heist near the level of a commissioner stepping in and vetoing it

[MavsDirk41]

Yeah I don't like having Caruso Dort and SGA. That's too small for perimeter defense. I want a proper physical 6'7" SF who can at least match up with Kawhi or PG and the likes. Otherwise size becomes a problem for OKC both on the inside and out the outside. They are SKINNY and small as is.

It's not ideal but it can work against most matchups.

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

They could pick up Looney if he is cut by GS. Try to trade for Jonas if New Orleans looks to move on from him. Zubac if the Clipps want to shake things up. True bigs are hard to come by nowadays.

[Wingy]

I’ve been critical. This is what I’m talking about. Hat tip to Presti.

Now don’t stop. Keep adding talent with those assets. You have a contender right now.

[ForeverTFC]

Isn't Giddey a free agent after next season too? IIRC Caruso and Giddey contracts expire at the same time, so the new contract problem exists on both sides.

Yeah, but Giddey is an RFA. Also, if Lavine is moved, the Bulls don't have a super max star and 2 guys about to get the max. Much easier for them to overpay if there is competition for Giddey vs OKC if they are still allergic to the tax.

[socal74]

Yeah I don't like having Caruso Dort and SGA. That's too small for perimeter defense. I want a proper physical 6'7" SF who can at least match up with Kawhi or PG and the likes. Otherwise size becomes a problem for OKC both on the inside and out the outside. They are SKINNY and small as is.

It's not ideal but it can work against most matchups.

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

Tossed around like a ragdoll by Towns? Wtf? I expect Jokic to be a problem in the post but Towns? You reaching bro.

[jc23]

lol good luck scoring against Caruso/Dort lineups.

Shai/Dort/Caruso/J.Dub/Chet is a hilarious defensive unit. I also think Caruso, despite being smaller than Giddey, upgrades the Thunder physically. Caruso is so tough and such a good athlete that he's kind of like having a power forward out there.

Caruso is not quite the playmaker that Giddey is, but he's up to the task of filling Giddey's role as a tertiary creator. Caruso a much more efficient scorer than Giddey. Caruso is easier to slot into lineups.

This fits the Thunder's identity of a much of super mobile ballhandlers who play fast and bigger than their size.

Caruso guarded Giannis for us; the dude is strong for his size.

[___Rand___]

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

Tossed around like a ragdoll by Towns? Wtf? I expect Jokic to be a problem in the post but Towns? You reaching bro.

Towns doesn't play physical, but who's to say he won't? But that's just an example. There are other bigs in the west that OKC has to match up to. Including others within Twolves.

[___Rand___]

Im sure SGA will see time at the SG/SF and Williams will see time at the SF/PF. I think Chet should see some time at the 4 and OKC gets some size at the 5. Hartenstein would be perfect for them. Capela if Atlanta wants to move on and shake the team up. They are just too small.

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

They could pick up Looney if he is cut by GS. Try to trade for Jonas if New Orleans looks to move on from him. Zubac if the Clipps want to shake things up. True bigs are hard to come by nowadays.

JV is not good defensively, but is an option for having a big down low. I don't think Clips will let go of Zubac because they don't have another big. Yeah because of Jokic and Embiid true contenders need bigs to counter them.

[MavsDirk41]

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

They could pick up Looney if he is cut by GS. Try to trade for Jonas if New Orleans looks to move on from him. Zubac if the Clipps want to shake things up. True bigs are hard to come by nowadays.

JV is not good defensively, but is an option for having a big down low. I don't think Clips will let go of Zubac because they don't have another big. Yeah because of Jokic and Embiid true contenders need bigs to counter them.

Chet can probably play some minutes as a small ball 5 but yea they need some size. Funny cause they could have had Lively who isnt thick but the guy can rebound and block shots. He is better on the boards and is better defensively than Chet. I could be wrong but i like the Caruso trade for them.

[socal74]

I don't even like Capela for them. He will get tossed like a ragdoll by Towns or Jokic. Chet has to be 4 and they need to get a big guy at 5. Of course when they do get that big everyone will hate them LOL.

Tossed around like a ragdoll by Towns? Wtf? I expect Jokic to be a problem in the post but Towns? You reaching bro.

Towns doesn't play physical, but who's to say he won't? But that's just an example. There are other bigs in the west that OKC has to match up to. Including others within Twolves.

whos to say he won't? People who's watched him over the years. If he won't post up a guard you think he will post up a capella or chet on a regular basis?

[Saints14]

I think this might be a steal for Chicago

Caruso is being overrated just a tad here.. Giddey has 25/10 potential fairly easily in an iso system such as the Bulls run.. Caruso is a great Dort replacement which is likely the idea

25 points?!?

Giddey has maybe 18/9/9 potential but letting him handle the ball enough to get 18 points and 9 assists means your team won't win more than 30 games.

His only way out of this catch 22 is becoming a respectable 3pt shooter. Not impossible but not likely either imo.

He’s 21

[NiceLikeChrist]

Bulls win this trade in the long run but should’ve at least gotten a pick in the meantime.

Godfrey has way more upside and potential and is a pretty damn good player if he’s allowed to control the ball more which I’m guessing is exactly what Chicago will let him do. He’s pretty bad off ball right now.

Caruso is 30+, injury prone, and routinely gets cooked despite being regarded as one of the best defenders in the league.