Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[Indomitable]

Did we really not get even one pick in this deal?

And are the Bulls announcing any extra safe guards being put in place surrounding community events including players and children/teenagers?

Cleared of any wrongdoing but don't let that get in the way of your hot takes...

The witness did not cooperate and took a pay off.

They refused to talk and scrubbed their social media.

He did probably do it but he was around the same age.

[Dez]

Did we really not get even one pick in this deal?

And are the Bulls announcing any extra safe guards being put in place surrounding community events including players and children/teenagers?

Cleared of any wrongdoing but don't let that get in the way of your hot takes...

The witness did not cooperate and took a pay off.

They refused to talk and scrubbed their social media.

He did probably do it but he was around the same age.

You're just spouting garbage, produce the evidence then.

A girl lied about her age and was in a place she shouldn't have legally been allowed to be in.

[Dresden]

WTF

what an absolutely horrible trade

I love these snap judgements by Bulls fans. If they didn't trade Caruso, it would be "why the hell didn't we trade Caruso?" Then they trade him, and the first reactions are the Bulls are idiots.

It seems like a perfectly logical trade- Caruso doesn't fit out time line anymore, he's on the last year of his deal, and we get back a guy who can play PG, something we've been looking for ever since Lonzo got hurt. And he's young, and so fits with our movement towards rebuilding around Ayo and Coby.

Maybe people were expecting a lot more in return, but chances are he doesn't have as much value as Chicago fans think.

[DuckIII]

I now hate the trade.

Giddey up!!! Ayo Silver, awaaaaaay!!!!!

...and now I hate Duck.

Banished.

[Muzbar]

Giddey up!!! Ayo Silver, awaaaaaay!!!!!

...and now I hate Duck.

Banished.

Dang it! That's two people I've got banished because of my words.

How about that Stephon Castle fellow in the draft Duck, he's pretty good I hear...

[kodo]

Well at least the trade brought a ton of posters back to the board.

[MrSparkle]

Fair enough, but someone in this draft will be good. It's rare (ever?) that there's a draft where there isn't one or two very good players.

Plus there’s an advantage to having a guy cheap for 4y, as opposed to negotiating an extension in a year. I’ve got a feeling Giddey flames out ala Troy Brown Jr. You don’t come to Chicago and shoot the ball better. The pressure is up. This guy’s 3P% is gonna hit the Vuc fan.

Giddey, still in his rookie contract, has shown more than troy brown jr has shown in his whole career. Giddey was a starter on a 57 win team who's stock only fell because he, at 21, struggled his first time playing in the postseason which is not at all uncommon.

Also, the cheap contract advantage is overblown since most players on their rookie contracts are barely playable except on tanking teams.

Dude. You could’ve put Troy Brown Jr on a roster with Shai, Williams, Chet and Dort and they’d win 57.

I was ready to move Caruso, but for ASSETS. Not a looming RFA coming off a very poor season. Giddey is a guy I would’ve wanted to get as a throw-in via some big Zach trade. Or just wait next summer to see if he sucks even more, and then sign him. I guarantee he wasn’t going to make an all star jump.

[The Box Office]

No extra picks coming back to us? Oh man.

[Indomitable]

Cleared of any wrongdoing but don't let that get in the way of your hot takes...

The witness did not cooperate and took a pay off.

They refused to talk and scrubbed their social media.

He did probably do it but he was around the same age.

You're just spouting garbage, produce the evidence then.

A girl lied about her age and was in a place she shouldn't have legally been allowed to be in.

I did not bad mouth him. They dated but who cares. He was 19 and she was 17.

The family got a lawyer and they did refuse to cooperate. I do not care. They both are two year apart.

[Dan Z]

Fair enough, but someone in this draft will be good. It's rare (ever?) that there's a draft where there isn't one or two very good players.

Plus there’s an advantage to having a guy cheap for 4y, as opposed to negotiating an extension in a year. I’ve got a feeling Giddey flames out ala Troy Brown Jr. You don’t come to Chicago and shoot the ball better. The pressure is up. This guy’s 3P% is gonna hit the Vuc fan.

Giddey, still in his rookie contract, has shown more than troy brown jr has shown in his whole career. Giddey was a starter on a 57 win team who's stock only fell because he, at 21, struggled his first time playing in the postseason which is not at all uncommon.

Also, the cheap contract advantage is overblown since most players on their rookie contracts are barely playable except on tanking teams.

Keep in mind that in a year Giddey will be up for a new contract. How much does he improve on the Bulls...? That remains to be seen. My guess is he slightly improves and then is on new contract that isn't so desirable. That's just my two cents and I'm not against this trade (I have mixed thoughts on it).

[burlydee]

Devil's advocate -

When you trade old and small for big and young you usually win. The Bulls got the younger and (knock on wood) healthier player.

21 years old is really young. Finally the Bulls are on the right side of a potential deal, after giving up WCJ and Markannen. These guys always are much more valuable on their 2nd contract. Giddey is due for another level jump.

I know what Caruso's peak looks like. It's the last 3 years. Great 6th man or 7th man on a really good team. Maybe 5th starter. Super valuable. We don't know what Giddey is yet, but his best years are ahead of him.

Giddey, Coby, Ayo, P Will - all of a sudden the Bulls have a collection of young talent. It's just 1 new guy, but it matters. The reality is guys like Giddey, young players with potential on their 1st contract, rarely get traded. We made a big mistake when we traded Lauri. About 12 years ago Prest traded Harden for 15 cents on the dollar. I don't think Giddey is Harden (of course) but Presti can lose deals. He gave up on Harden and Ibaka too early.

[chicago paxsons]

Plus there’s an advantage to having a guy cheap for 4y, as opposed to negotiating an extension in a year. I’ve got a feeling Giddey flames out ala Troy Brown Jr. You don’t come to Chicago and shoot the ball better. The pressure is up. This guy’s 3P% is gonna hit the Vuc fan.

Giddey, still in his rookie contract, has shown more than troy brown jr has shown in his whole career. Giddey was a starter on a 57 win team who's stock only fell because he, at 21, struggled his first time playing in the postseason which is not at all uncommon.

Also, the cheap contract advantage is overblown since most players on their rookie contracts are barely playable except on tanking teams.

Keep in mind that in a year Giddey will be up for a new contract. How much does he improve on the Bulls...? That remains to be seen. My guess is he slightly improves and then is on new contract that isn't so desirable. That's just my two cents and I'm not against this trade (I have mixed thoughts on it).

If giddey's stock has dropped so bad that people talk about him as if he's some scrub (not that i'm suggesting that you've said so, just that the many of the trades detractors seem to suggest that he is), then i would assume that he won't be getting some big contract unless he takes a huge step forward with us.

[Dan Z]

Giddey, still in his rookie contract, has shown more than troy brown jr has shown in his whole career. Giddey was a starter on a 57 win team who's stock only fell because he, at 21, struggled his first time playing in the postseason which is not at all uncommon.

Also, the cheap contract advantage is overblown since most players on their rookie contracts are barely playable except on tanking teams.

Keep in mind that in a year Giddey will be up for a new contract. How much does he improve on the Bulls...? That remains to be seen. My guess is he slightly improves and then is on new contract that isn't so desirable. That's just my two cents and I'm not against this trade (I have mixed thoughts on it).

If giddey's stock has dropped so bad that people talk about him as if he's some scrub (not that i'm suggesting that you've said so, just that the many of the trades detractors seem to suggest that he is), then i would assume that he won't be getting some big contract unless he takes a huge step forward with us.

My guess is that the NBA thinks better of Giddey than many posters here on RealGM do. If he slightly improves then what kind of contract should he get? I don't think he'll improve in a big way (like Coby this past year). Also, AK will want to keep him because he traded for him and you don't want to lose him for nothing.

All of that leads me to believe that he might get a new contract that ends up being an overpay (how much so...I have no idea). But that's all for future decisions and something they don't have to worry about at the moment.

It's also one reason why I'd rather take my chance with a pick or two (the unknown). The other reason being that the team isn't ready to be that competitive, even with Giddey. Maybe they keep DDR and make it to the first round? Or DDR leaves and they end up with another 11 ish pick?

[umfan83]

Devil's advocate -

When you trade old and small for big and young you usually win. The Bulls got the younger and (knock on wood) healthier player.

21 years old is really young. Finally the Bulls are on the right side of a potential deal, after giving up WCJ and Markannen. These guys always are much more valuable on their 2nd contract. Giddey is due for another level jump.

I know what Caruso's peak looks like. It's the last 3 years. Great 6th man or 7th man on a really good team. Maybe 5th starter. Super valuable. We don't know what Giddey is yet, but his best years are ahead of him.

Giddey, Coby, Ayo, P Will - all of a sudden the Bulls have a collection of young talent. It's just 1 new guy, but it matters. The reality is guys like Giddey, young players with potential on their 1st contract, rarely get traded. We made a big mistake when we traded Lauri. About 12 years ago Prest traded Harden for 15 cents on the dollar. I don't think Giddey is Harden (of course) but Presti can lose deals. He gave up on Harden and Ibaka too early.

I wouldn't say you won me over, but good post and good perspective.

[chicago paxsons]

Plus there’s an advantage to having a guy cheap for 4y, as opposed to negotiating an extension in a year. I’ve got a feeling Giddey flames out ala Troy Brown Jr. You don’t come to Chicago and shoot the ball better. The pressure is up. This guy’s 3P% is gonna hit the Vuc fan.

Giddey, still in his rookie contract, has shown more than troy brown jr has shown in his whole career. Giddey was a starter on a 57 win team who's stock only fell because he, at 21, struggled his first time playing in the postseason which is not at all uncommon.

Also, the cheap contract advantage is overblown since most players on their rookie contracts are barely playable except on tanking teams.

Dude. You could’ve put Troy Brown Jr on a roster with Shai, Williams, Chet and Dort and they’d win 57.

I was ready to move Caruso, but for ASSETS. Not a looming RFA coming off a very poor season. Giddey is a guy I would’ve wanted to get as a throw-in via some big Zach trade. Or just wait next summer to see if he sucks even more, and then sign him. I guarantee he wasn’t going to make an all star jump.

I disagree that apparently giddey had no impact on a team where he played 80 games and 25 mpg.

We did trade caruso for assets, the difference is we traded him for a known, albeit inexperienced nba asset as opposed to an imaginary, unproven asset in a poor draft year. Also, considering what the thunder were willing to trade giddey for, and how highly they value their assets, i doubt that they would consider giddey the kind of player you just throw-in to a trade.

Though i do understand the worry over trading for a rfa, but if his value is as low as you say, then we shouldn't expect to have to sign him to some huge contract.

[Ewings2ndcousin]

Sorry guys but this sums up the trade you just made...

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[ThisGuyFawkes]

Great trade for OKC. They got rid one of the most non intense players for one of the best defensive guards.

The bulls continue to stay dumb because now they have to pay a guy who flicks his hair 10 times every defensive possession.

Saw this on the general message board... lol

That was me. The hair flicking during the playoffs made me so angry to watch.

The only reason I like this trade is because I want a gosh darn Pantene commercial in-game every 3-5 minutes.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

There’s gotta be picks on this, right?

Eh. What players are this FO drafting? Manuro. Nothing matters.

Did you mean to say menudo?

[kodo]

Keep in mind that in a year Giddey will be up for a new contract. How much does he improve on the Bulls...? That remains to be seen. My guess is he slightly improves and then is on new contract that isn't so desirable. That's just my two cents and I'm not against this trade (I have mixed thoughts on it).

The contract situation is no different than Caruso. Both contracts end in the same season. Extra money to keep Giddey vs extra money extending a 32 year Caruso into his 32-36 age range. And we're in full control of Giddey's contract. Even if we match Caruso's next offer, he can just take another team's offer that will go farther in the playoffs. He admitted publically he was willing to stay in LA for less than money Chicago offered, that shows he's willing tp take less than the max offer for a longer playoff run. We can't even get past the play-in. Caruso is 100% a real flight risk.

[chicago paxsons]

Keep in mind that in a year Giddey will be up for a new contract. How much does he improve on the Bulls...? That remains to be seen. My guess is he slightly improves and then is on new contract that isn't so desirable. That's just my two cents and I'm not against this trade (I have mixed thoughts on it).

If giddey's stock has dropped so bad that people talk about him as if he's some scrub (not that i'm suggesting that you've said so, just that the many of the trades detractors seem to suggest that he is), then i would assume that he won't be getting some big contract unless he takes a huge step forward with us.

My guess is that the NBA thinks better of Giddey than many posters here on RealGM do. If he slightly improves then what kind of contract should he get? I don't think he'll improve in a big way (like Coby this past year). Also, AK will want to keep him because he traded for him and you don't want to lose him for nothing.

All of that leads me to believe that he might get a new contract that ends up being an overpay (how much so...I have no idea). But that's all for future decisions and something they don't have to worry about at the moment.

It's also one reason why I'd rather take my chance with a pick or two (the unknown). The other reason being that the team isn't ready to be that competitive, even with Giddey. Maybe they keep DDR and make it to the first round? Or DDR leaves and they end up with another 11 ish pick?

On your first point, considering the negative reactions to the trade, i wouldn't be surprised if gms thought better of him, but are they willing to pay for him? Those are 2 different questions. Also depending on the overpay, it might not actually be an overpay when considering the cap increase coming.

I wouldn't expect some huge improvement immediately, but he's 21, so if we resign him he still won't be in his "prime" by the end of that contract. He has plenty of time to grow.

As far as being competitive, again, he's young so if akme actually decide to tank for a few years we don't have to worry about him aging out.

I'm still not sold on the unknown asset argument since it's all about who falls to you. Then you have to spend a couple seasons waiting for the player to get used to the nba pace. Even then, you're paying a player a lottery pick salary where they may not be playable until the end of their rookie contract.

Giddey is in his rookie contract and is playable now. He still needs to improve, but he has time to improve and has already shown that he belongs in the nba.