2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[bdpecore]

It’s hard to play 4 on 5 on either end in the playoffs.

Need 5 two way players to close games and play bulk of minutes. Even if they just bring one offensive skill to the half court offense, you need them to be a threat to do something.

True but your only offensive attribute should compliment your best player’s game not mimic it when spacing is already an issue.

[ReasonablySober]

Again, played for Dayton.

This is exactly the thinking that had scouts ignoring Jalen Williams and Brandin Pods. Simply not doing the work to see their strength of schedule, watching tape versus their toughest opponents, or even watching Big Dance games. Act like Dayton and Santa Clara only play scrubs.

Including Pods last year, it could be steals 3 years in a row because unwittingly discrediting a non power 5 school. All while the power 5 schools only play at home in the non conference, against schools like IUPUI and Incarnate Word, but those stats still count

BTW, Dayton was 14th in the country in strength of schedule. Were you pointing this out to compliment Holmes? I can't keep track of backers and detractors. Apologies if you were backing him.

I'm saying that holding lower level college kids to 30% on switches is a meaningless stat. He's huge and has a big athletic advantage. He should hold them to low percentages. He's not going to have that advantage in the NBA.

Limited experience playing against top competition. NBA offenses will be a major adjustment for him in terms of speed, especially since he frequently gets pulled out into switches at the college level. He’s effective at getting stops at that level, but the pros are a different monster.

[ShootingtheJ]

My biggest fear is drafting Dunn to improve our defense in the playoffs only to have his defender sag off of him to the point we’re playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. Dallas found a way to get OKC to bench Giddey who’s a good offensive player and much better 3pt shooter than Dunn. I have no doubt teams will find a way to exploit Dunn in the playoffs and make him a non-factor if he cannot develop into a serviceable 3pt shooter. Based on his numbers I have little reason to believe this will ever happen which I why I’d prefer Horst drafts Shannon or McCullar who can keep a defense honest while still being an above average defender.

We survived with PJ being unguarded, and Dunn can at least be a lob threat, plus he'll crash the offensive glass. He's an outstanding rebounder. Better ball handler than PJ.

It's not ideal, and he's not my first choice, but he's an option

PJ also shot 32.2% on 4.6 3PA in the playoffs and has a reputation as being a good corner 3pt shooter which kept his defender from sagging off. His playoff ORtg was 119 so he was clearly wasn’t considered a non-factor on offense like Dunn would be. Also it’s hard to crash hard on the boards when your standing in the corner to keep the lane open for our big three. Honestly I’d rather they sign Cam Reddish than waste our first on Dunn.

Virginia also had a better offensive rating with Dunn on. Does that mean his defensive issues are being overrated? (Doubtful) PJ played with Giannis and Khris, that leads to a good offensive rating. Could be the same for Dunn.

Not really looking at Dunn at #23, but he still might be there at #33.

[ShootingtheJ]

This is exactly the thinking that had scouts ignoring Jalen Williams and Brandin Pods. Simply not doing the work to see their strength of schedule, watching tape versus their toughest opponents, or even watching Big Dance games. Act like Dayton and Santa Clara only play scrubs.

Including Pods last year, it could be steals 3 years in a row because unwittingly discrediting a non power 5 school. All while the power 5 schools only play at home in the non conference, against schools like IUPUI and Incarnate Word, but those stats still count

BTW, Dayton was 14th in the country in strength of schedule. Were you pointing this out to compliment Holmes? I can't keep track of backers and detractors. Apologies if you were backing him.

I'm saying that holding lower level college kids to 30% on switches is a meaningless stat. He's huge and has a big athletic advantage. He should hold them to low percentages. He's not going to have that advantage in the NBA.

Limited experience playing against top competition. NBA offenses will be a major adjustment for him in terms of speed, especially since he frequently gets pulled out into switches at the college level. He’s effective at getting stops at that level, but the pros are a different monster.

Except he didn't play low level college kids, he played against one of the toughest schedules in the country. Other NBA prospects aren't as successful at switching as he was. He the most switchable center in the draft.

All the draft prospects are making a step up in competition. It's the draft.

[ReasonablySober]

BTW, Dayton was 14th in the country in strength of schedule. Were you pointing this out to compliment Holmes? I can't keep track of backers and detractors. Apologies if you were backing him.

I'm saying that holding lower level college kids to 30% on switches is a meaningless stat. He's huge and has a big athletic advantage. He should hold them to low percentages. He's not going to have that advantage in the NBA.

Limited experience playing against top competition. NBA offenses will be a major adjustment for him in terms of speed, especially since he frequently gets pulled out into switches at the college level. He’s effective at getting stops at that level, but the pros are a different monster.

Except he didn't play low level college kids, he played against one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Dayton played two ranked teams all year and lost both. Only faced three NBA prospects: 6'0" guard Jamal Shead (ranked #49), 6'6" Keshad Johnson (#51), and 6'5" Pelle Larsson (#47).

Sure.

[Baddy Chuck]

PJ played with Giannis and Khris, that leads to a good offensive rating.

Giannis and Khris with PJ that run - 115 ORTG (12 net)
Giannis and Krhis without PJ that run - 110 ORTG (5 net)

Maybe playing with PJ led to the good ORTG

[MuckyFingers]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm saying that holding lower level college kids to 30% on switches is a meaningless stat. He's huge and has a big athletic advantage. He should hold them to low percentages. He's not going to have that advantage in the NBA.

Except he didn't play low level college kids, he played against one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Dayton played two ranked teams all year and lost both. Only faced three NBA prospects: 6'0" guard Jamal Shead (ranked #49), 6'6" Keshad Johnson (#51), and 6'5" Pelle Larsson (#47).

Sure.

Are you contending that they didn't have the 14th ranked schedule? Or that every good player entered the draft?

[ReasonablySober]

Except he didn't play low level college kids, he played against one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Dayton played two ranked teams all year and lost both. Only faced three NBA prospects: 6'0" guard Jamal Shead (ranked #49), 6'6" Keshad Johnson (#51), and 6'5" Pelle Larsson (#47).

Sure.

Are you contending that they didn't have the 14th ranked schedule? Or that every good player entered the draft?

I'm saying stop giving a **** about his defensive percentage allowed. It doesn't matter at all.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dayton played two ranked teams all year and lost both. Only faced three NBA prospects: 6'0" guard Jamal Shead (ranked #49), 6'6" Keshad Johnson (#51), and 6'5" Pelle Larsson (#47).

Sure.

Are you contending that they didn't have the 14th ranked schedule? Or that every good player entered the draft?

I'm saying stop giving a **** about his defensive percentage allowed. It doesn't matter at all.

It doesn't matter that he's better defensively at switching than the other centers in the draft? I will continue to say it does.

[ShootingtheJ]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

[drone3]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

Weird list, just combine 1&2 and combine 3,4,5

[Badgerlander]

Terrence Shannon.

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

Weird list, just combine 1&2 and combine 3,4,5

Or just add one 5 tool player for the TPMLE, right?

[Badgerlander]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

I do love the idea of adding another ballhandler with the speed to breakdown a defense and good 3pt volume shooting. Have we brought him in for a workout?

[ShootingtheJ]

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

Weird list, just combine 1&2 and combine 3,4,5

Or just add one 5 tool player for the TPMLE, right?

Trades.

[ShootingtheJ]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

I do love the idea of adding another ballhandler with the speed to breakdown a defense and good 3pt volume shooting. Have we brought him in for a workout?

Yes

[Badgerlander]

My priority list of our needs

1. POA defender
2. Starting guard
3. Wing defender
4. Depth behind Middleton
5. Scorer
6. Guard depth
7. Eventual Brook replacement

Terrence Shannon.

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

But they are all top priorities lol. Tough to make trades that take care of one need without creating another while sacrificing depth. If we could scout, draft, and develop worth a damn we might be able to check some boxes while adding youth to our geriatric squad

[ShootingtheJ]

Terrence Shannon.

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

But they are all top priorities lol. Tough to make trades that take care of one need without creating another while sacrificing depth. If we could scout, draft, and develop worth a damn we might be able to check some boxes while adding youth to our geriatric squad

Sure, but we need the patience to let the youth grow and give it the opportunity to play. We have numerous youngsters that are ready to help us.

Also, if we didn't have Bobby, would one of your priorities be: get a PF who should only really play PF, but averages 20/10 when he starts as an injury replacement? I doubt it, and we have that now. That's a luxury, not a necessity.

[BUCKnation]

I want one of DaRon Holmes/Ware/Edey/Smith/Missi at #23 and Cam Christie at #33 BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE
Horst will draft the most unsexy picks like Kyle Filipowski and Ryan Dunn

Agree with most of what you wrote here, but, as others have said, Dunn is as sexy a pick as could be made. He's can't shoot yet, but that's it. I seen a 28% college 3 point shooter hit 37% this past season as an NBA rookie. Wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

Defensively, he has a close to excellent chance of being the best defensive non center in the league. And he's just plain fun.

My biggest fear is drafting Dunn to improve our defense in the playoffs only to have his defender sag off of him to the point we’re playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. Dallas found a way to get OKC to bench Giddey who’s a good offensive player and much better 3pt shooter than Dunn. I have no doubt teams will find a way to exploit Dunn in the playoffs and make him a non-factor if he cannot develop into a serviceable 3pt shooter. Based on his numbers I have little reason to believe this will ever happen which I why I’d prefer Horst drafts Shannon or McCullar who can keep a defense honest while still being an above average defender.

The problem with giddey is that he was getting killed defensively too. He was unplayable on both ends.

[Badgerlander]

I sure hope the top priorities here are addressed outside of the draft

But they are all top priorities lol. Tough to make trades that take care of one need without creating another while sacrificing depth. If we could scout, draft, and develop worth a damn we might be able to check some boxes while adding youth to our geriatric squad

Sure, but we need the patience to let the youth grow and give it the opportunity to play. We have numerous youngsters that are ready to help us.

Also, if we didn't have Bobby, would one of your priorities be: get a PF who should only really play PF, but averages 20/10 when he starts as an injury replacement? I doubt it, and we have that now. That's a luxury, not a necessity.

Who is ready? AJ and Andre were good bench guys last year. I’m curious to see Tyty get an opportunity but so far all he has shown is a poor mans cam payne. Livingston probably needs another season in the g league. If MarJon doesn’t find a shooting touch this summer he’s probably done.

Without bobby our bigs are 36 year old Brook and Giannis. Also where are those 20 points coming from on our bench? Who is our sixth man? Is bench scoring a luxury? Sure we can space out khris, dame, and Giannis minutes but these guys aren’t youngsters like White, Brown, and Tatum. If we trade our picks and our depth to get a 5th starter then we are stuck with Pat Bev, Jae, and Gallo rounding out our bench and they all looked old in the playoffs. Chances are one of our starters will miss time in the playoffs AGAIN and again we will have nobody that can step up