Final word on the strength of this draft class

[FarBeyondDriven]

Tier 5, we are in the modern era with mass amount of basketball talent. Difficult to not have one or two player become semi-stars, low end 2nd option, high end third options like Barnes/Mobley/Cunningham every class.

There is an outside chance for one player to reach Tatum level, weak 1b on a championship team, top 10 in the league, no anywhere near MVP level but low end of the superstar. The lack of perceived high end talent is gonna hurt the class.

so far surprised by some of these after hearing "worst ever" on this board all season. thanks

[NO-KG-AI]

I think it’ll be like 2013 talent wise. A few unexpected guys will emerge from somewhere, but otherwise forgettable.

so put you down for Tier 8?

I suppose. I don’t think there is a tier gap between a lot of those bottom ones. Definitely put me down in the lower 3rd of drafts I’ve seen since I can remember following deeply this century.

[clyde21]

i mean this is a ridiculous convo, you're ranking this draft before they play a single dribble in the NBA against class post NBA...that's not how any of this works.

[FarBeyondDriven]

i mean this is a ridiculous convo, you're ranking this draft before they play a single dribble in the NBA against class post NBA...that's not how any of this works.

you can't be serious. You've been calling this a weak draft class for a year before any of them played a single dribble in college. It's prognostication. It's literally what we do in here especially in draft threads. All of a sudden now you're shy and don't want to go on record? Please. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it. I had a feeling you'd pull something like this

We have all the information about these draft prospects we're going to get and now we get to predict how they will do as a group. You've all mocked me for defending this class for months so you obviously feel strongly about it so just pick a tier. If you don't want to partake that's fine. I've seen you post plenty about how it's the weakest draft since 2013. So I'll put you down for Tier 8 unless you feel differently.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think it’ll be like 2013 talent wise. A few unexpected guys will emerge from somewhere, but otherwise forgettable.

so put you down for Tier 8?

I suppose. I don’t think there is a tier gap between a lot of those bottom ones. Definitely put me down in the lower 3rd of drafts I’ve seen since I can remember following deeply this century.

cool, how does Tier 7 sound, splitting the difference between the bottom three? I just thought Tier 8 because that's often cited as one of the worst draft classes ever and the draft class this one has been compared to in here and on social media non-stop for months and you brought it up. But it's up to you

[clyde21]

i mean this is a ridiculous convo, you're ranking this draft before they play a single dribble in the NBA against class post NBA...that's not how any of this works.

you can't be serious. You've been calling this a weak draft class for a year before any of them played a single dribble in college. It's prognostication. It's literally what we do in here especially in draft threads. All of a sudden now you're shy and don't want to go on record? Please. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it. I had a feeling you'd pull something like this

We have all the information about these draft prospects we're going to get and now we get to predict how they will do as a group. You've all mocked me for defending this class for months so you obviously feel strongly about it so just pick a tier. If you don't want to partake that's fine. I've seen you post plenty about how it's the weakest draft since 2013. So I'll put you down for Tier 8 unless you feel differently.

yes, it's a bad class, what does that have to do what the 1987 class turned out to be? were you there in 1987 analyzing if it was a good or bad draft?

[FarBeyondDriven]

i mean this is a ridiculous convo, you're ranking this draft before they play a single dribble in the NBA against class post NBA...that's not how any of this works.

you can't be serious. You've been calling this a weak draft class for a year before any of them played a single dribble in college. It's prognostication. It's literally what we do in here especially in draft threads. All of a sudden now you're shy and don't want to go on record? Please. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it. I had a feeling you'd pull something like this

We have all the information about these draft prospects we're going to get and now we get to predict how they will do as a group. You've all mocked me for defending this class for months so you obviously feel strongly about it so just pick a tier. If you don't want to partake that's fine. I've seen you post plenty about how it's the weakest draft since 2013. So I'll put you down for Tier 8 unless you feel differently.

yes, it's a bad class, what does that have to do what the 1987 class turned out to be? were you there in 1987 analyzing if it was a good or bad draft?

yes, I was actually. k, so I'll put you down for Tier 8?

[dolphinatik]

T3 maybe not top 10 but there will be some keepers from this draft class. It's not just players improving but teams improving how they use and develop these guys.

[FarBeyondDriven]

T3 maybe not top 10 but there will be some keepers from this draft class. It's not just players improving but teams improving how they use and develop these guys.

wow, You might be the only one who believes this will be a Very Good draft (Tier 3 = Very Good) but I love your optimism and thanks for answering.

[FarBeyondDriven]

i mean this is a ridiculous convo, you're ranking this draft before they play a single dribble in the NBA against class post NBA...that's not how any of this works.

you can't be serious. You've been calling this a weak draft class for a year before any of them played a single dribble in college. It's prognostication. It's literally what we do in here especially in draft threads. All of a sudden now you're shy and don't want to go on record? Please. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it. I had a feeling you'd pull something like this

We have all the information about these draft prospects we're going to get and now we get to predict how they will do as a group. You've all mocked me for defending this class for months so you obviously feel strongly about it so just pick a tier. If you don't want to partake that's fine. I've seen you post plenty about how it's the weakest draft since 2013. So I'll put you down for Tier 8 unless you feel differently.

yes, it's a bad class, what does that have to do what the 1987 class turned out to be? were you there in 1987 analyzing if it was a good or bad draft?

weird how nobody else seems to be having an issue participating except you. It's pretty clear you just don't want to go on record which I predicted months ago. Good thing you've provided plenty of opinions about this draft class to go on. I'm putting you down for Tier 8 (Among worst drafts ever) Don't cry and attempt to claim otherwise down the road should you be proven wrong about the strength of this draft class because you've been given ample opportunity to answer.

"we really need a bunch of players to step or this class is gonna be an all timer is a non good way at the top."

"it's just not a great draft"

"i don't want to sound hyperbolic but I don't think i've been less enthused about a class since I've been following the draft closely."

"relatively speaking, it's a weak draft by every measure"

"this is why I keep saying this draft sucks"

"It's objectively a bad class by almost every metric. not sure how or why we're still talking about this."

"it's not a conspiracy, it's a weak class."

[FarBeyondDriven]

There's another dozen of the more prolific posters I'm hoping will answer this so everyone can go on record. Like with Clyde, you've all provided ample opinions about this class so while I'd rather you just answer, I can always just figure it out myself by going through past comments so please put this class in a Tier you'll feel it'll end up after all is said and done. tia

[clyde21]

ITS SUCH A GREAT CLASS BRO

[Colbinii]

I don't understand the concept of comparing drafts where players have played in the NBA to drafts that have yet to have prospects.

We should be comparing this draft to drafts BEFORE the players were drafted--meaning the prospects.

I think both 2010 and 2015 had higher-end prospects and were slated as better drafts.

I think the 2020 draft is a good comparison when thinking about the draft prospects prior to them playing in the NBA. 2020 obviously over-exceeded expectations by just about everyone but going into that draft their were a lot of question marks surrounding the top, a deeper lottery and some serious questions about its overall depth [I have little hope for this draft at the very top producing stars and the 40+ picks producing anything meaningful].

[QingJames]

Tier 4.5. NBA teams know how to use and develop guys better than ever, and the talent pool has never been bigger. At risk of echoing other posters here, there’s a dearth of top-end talent. But with the exception of several notable teams, most NBA franchises have good-to-great development programs and the financial structure of the NBA incentivizes prioritizing investing newly-drafted players with minutes if they show any promise at all.

The draft might look bad on paper but there will be plenty of guys in this draft who play productive minutes across the NBA.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I don't understand the concept of comparing drafts where players have played in the NBA to drafts that have yet to have prospects.

We should be comparing this draft to drafts BEFORE the players were drafted--meaning the prospects.

I think both 2010 and 2015 had higher-end prospects and were slated as better drafts.

I think the 2020 draft is a good comparison when thinking about the draft prospects prior to them playing in the NBA. 2020 obviously over-exceeded expectations by just about everyone but going into that draft their were a lot of question marks surrounding the top, a deeper lottery and some serious questions about its overall depth [I have little hope for this draft at the very top producing stars and the 40+ picks producing anything meaningful].

because I'm trying to gauge your evaluation and prognostication skills. How you project these kids forward and how this class will be viewed in the future (after all is said and done) to past draft classes.

This isn't rocket science. I'm interested in how strong you project this class to be 5 years from now. If you think in 5 years we'll collectively view this class as Elite...choose Tier 1. If you feel it's going to be one of the worst ever, choose Tier 8. Or anywhere in between. This fake confusion is laughable. Forget about the past draft classes as a comparison. They're only in the Tiers as a frame of reference in case people need to see what Elite, Very Good, Good, or Average draft classes look like.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Tier 4.5. NBA teams know how to use and develop guys better than ever, and the talent pool has never been bigger. At risk of echoing other posters here, there’s a dearth of top-end talent. But with the exception of several notable teams, most NBA franchises have good-to-great development programs and the financial structure of the NBA incentivizes prioritizing investing newly-drafted players with minutes if they show any promise at all.

The draft might look bad on paper but there will be plenty of guys in this draft who play productive minutes across the NBA.

thanks so much!

[FarBeyondDriven]

NyBlueMeadow - Tier 4.5

based on - "The more I watch film on the prospects, the more the 2024 draft is looking above average to good..."

[BigGargamel]

I'm gonna be conservative and say Tier 6. Looking at 2004, I could see something like that. A couple All Stars and a lot of duds.

You would have to be absolutely negative to put it on par with 2000 and 2013. Those are all time stinkers. I can't predict that it will actually end up that bad.

Move my prediction up to 5. If we are going by your rankings. Looks comparable to 2019. May not quite have a Zion or Morant but there were a lot of mid to late first round stinkers in that draft. I think 2024 will have more guys who stick around long term, and maybe even a second round all star.

[NO-KG-AI]

2000 and 2013 are rare combos of low amounts of top end talent, and a lot of guys just straight up not developing. The latter part of that is basically impossible to predict, but if this class is average to below average on that end, it’ll be a huge stinker.

That said, I’d bet on ANY draft having at least a player or two better than Kenyon Martin and Michael Redd. It’s nearly impossible to be that bad on the top end and have no depth lol.

[FarBeyondDriven]

As for me, before withdrawals I thought this had a chance to be Very Good (Tier 3) but it has lost 10-12 top 50 players imo. But it also gained half a dozen. But still, it's too much of a loss to be Very Good any longer and I'm not absolutely certain it'll be Good so I'm settling at 4.5 between Average and Good.

changing mine to Tier 4 (Good)