Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[jnrjr79]

Here is Chicago's roster as of right now:
PG White / Ayo / Giddey / Ball / Carter
SG Lavine
SF Phillips / Terry
PF Williams / Craig
C Vucevic

That's some top tier team building there.

.....

One thing I haven't really heard discussed much is that Giddey is probably not as good as White and Ayo. Giddey isn't an off ball guy.

While he is an intriguing prospect due to his age, this team is a hot mess personnel wise.

It seems odd to think about fit at this point. More moves are certainly on the way, and to the extent this actually signals something of a rebuild, it's about talent acquisition and not fit for the time being, so I wouldn't really care.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Wonder where Giddy is gonna play?

Its not textbook positions anymore. He is a wing and the ball in his hands.

[Ice Man]

Let's be clear. Giddey isn't a turnaround project. This isn't like taking a flier on Cam Payne or Noah Vonleh. On VORP, Giddey would have been the 3rd best Bull last season, behind only DeMar and Caruso.

Ultimately, of course, the Bulls need more than another pretty good player. They already have Coby and Ayo. You can collect as many guys at that level as you like and you will never win diddly. To truly succeed, you need really good players. But Giddey has a fair chance of reaching that level -- a stronger chance, I would argue, than anybody who is now on the Bulls, given both his age and tools.

[jnrjr79]

Sigh ... at least we're getting back a high IQ player who has potential to be a solid starter in this league. The lack of picks is a let down though, especially when you know that offer was on the table.

We have no idea what offers were on the table.

But if Presti offered Giddey or the #12 pick (not both) which one would you choose?

You're right. Anyway after listening to several podcast takes on the trade. I think this trade starts growing on me. Giddey may not be be the best return, but he's far from the worst. I mean we're talking about trading a 30-year old expiring contract for a 21 year-old former lottery pick who actually pans out (compared to our very own PWill). I, at least, think we shouldn't be arguing on whether we get ourselves a good talent, which Giddey is. If we're going to argue on why there's no pick attached, go ahead. Doesn't bother me.

Now, I'm feeling more certain that AK is going to extend DeMar. I think AK sees Giddey as somebody who can play next to DeMar judging from how he play next to another mid-range player in SGA. And Giddey is a better fit next to DeMar than Zach.

The next guy gone will be Zach. Giddey trade sealed his fate with this team for good. And I also feel extending Pat is no longer certain. Let's see what happen next. I feel that Paul George rumor could be a possibility. I don't know whether I like that or not, but just saying.

What Paul George rumor?

[jnrjr79]

Here is Chicago's roster as of right now:
PG White / Ayo / Giddey / Ball / Carter
SG Lavine
SF Phillips / Terry
PF Williams / Craig
C Vucevic

That's some top tier team building there.

.....

One thing I haven't really heard discussed much is that Giddey is probably not as good as White and Ayo. Giddey isn't an off ball guy.

While he is an intriguing prospect due to his age, this team is a hot mess personnel wise.

I would expect giddey to play at sg or sf and on the ball. Coby can play off the ball while playing pg positionally.

I think there's basically a 100% chance the Bulls brought him in to be the starting PG, and Woj's reporting has already alluded to as much, saying the Bulls view him as a Lonzo replacement. AK saw the team look great with a tall, extremely passing-talented PG, and has decided to get another one (absent the 3-point shooting and defense, which is significant).

I think Coby is likely the starting 2, and Ayo's role is TBD depending on other moves.

[SfBull]

There is a roughly a zero percent chance of Zach being on the roster.

Giddey was brought in to be the starting PG.

Bingo.

Impacts the draft as well. I think we can put the Carter rumors to bed unless AK plans on trading one of Coby or Ayo.

So drafting a SF or a big man could make more sense.

[SfBull]

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[biggestbullsfan]

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So OKC initiated the trade to us and we couldn’t get a draft pick?

[biggestbullsfan]

Coby white was probably our only shining light for last season. At least the main one. How does this affect his play and role? Are we running two PG or is he coming off the bench now?

[Jcool0]

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[dougthonus]

I guess we'll never really know.

I don't think Giddey or the trade is bad, but I'd prefer to take a chance on the unknown (a pick or picks). The reason being that the Bulls, even with Giddey, still wont go that far and still need to find a franchise player.

To be clear, I would also have been really happy to have made either of the deals Will mentioned at the deadline last year.

I'm also just not upset about this deal.

[Chi town]

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So OKC initiated the trade to us and we couldn’t get a draft pick?

Presti told Giddey he’d be coming off the bench to maximize their team and Giddey looked to be traded. Presti says he has all star potential.

Giddey is def our PG. He will make Coby Pat and Ayo much better.

We need 3pt shooting, rim running lob threat big, and athleticism in that order.

[kodo]

I'm curious...

How many players, who were lottery picks, were traded before the end of their rookie deal and it worked out better for their new team?

I ask this not because I think the Giddey deal is bad, but because I wonder where it stands historically.

Off the top of my head recently
Haliburton
Sabonis

A while ago,
Billups
Iso Joe

[weneeda2guard]

If you think that Giddey has upside, and can improve to be an above-average NBA starter, then this unquestionably was a good deal for the Bulls. If not, then it unquestionably was not a good deal. I mean, that's basically it.

The way I look at it, is grabbing a young prospect with some upside who could blossom into a fringe star for a 30 year old guy on his last year of his deal and injury prone, is about the best your going to do here. If we were in play for a big trade to bring a star here then I would be more mad about those picks. But we are not and those picks just meant more salary and more bodies of players who likely won't see playing time and just end up in the windy city bulls shuffle. There is no world were a team was going to give us a top lottery pick for Caruso. Don't believe that in the least

[dougthonus]

Let's be clear. Giddey isn't a turnaround project. This isn't like taking a flier on Cam Payne or Noah Vonleh. On VORP, Giddey would have been the 3rd best Bull last season, behind only DeMar and Caruso.

Ultimately, of course, the Bulls need more than another pretty good player. They already have Coby and Ayo. You can collect as many guys at that level as you like and you will never win diddly. To truly succeed, you need really good players. But Giddey has a fair chance of reaching that level -- a stronger chance, I would argue, than anybody who is now on the Bulls, given both his age and tools.

1: You're entirely correct about needing the star player (and I think we all agree)

2: The thing I think most people are missing (not you) is that Caruso wasn't going to get you that player. No one was giving you a young, superstar upside player for Caruso. Giddey is probably as close to that as you could get for Caruso. The alternative was probably future non lottery draft picks that have like a 3%-5% chance to be that guy and probably a 25% chance to be as good as Giddey already is.

[sco]

Let's be clear. Giddey isn't a turnaround project. This isn't like taking a flier on Cam Payne or Noah Vonleh. On VORP, Giddey would have been the 3rd best Bull last season, behind only DeMar and Caruso.

Ultimately, of course, the Bulls need more than another pretty good player. They already have Coby and Ayo. You can collect as many guys at that level as you like and you will never win diddly. To truly succeed, you need really good players. But Giddey has a fair chance of reaching that level -- a stronger chance, I would argue, than anybody who is now on the Bulls, given both his age and tools.

1: You're entirely correct about needing the star player (and I think we all agree)

2: The thing I think most people are missing (not you) is that Caruso wasn't going to get you that player. No one was giving you a young, superstar upside player for Caruso. Giddey is probably as close to that as you could get for Caruso. The alternative was probably future non lottery draft picks that have like a 3%-5% chance to be that guy and probably a 25% chance to be as good as Giddey already is.

I feel much better about this deal because Doug isn't crapping all over it. Doug has been right too often for me to dismiss that. The 3 guys I wanted to nab in deals that I would have wanted more were Kuminga, Reaves and Reid. I'm still rooting for one of them in a Demar S&T (honestly I'd be happy with Rui or Vandy too).

[Jcool0]

Let's be clear. Giddey isn't a turnaround project. This isn't like taking a flier on Cam Payne or Noah Vonleh. On VORP, Giddey would have been the 3rd best Bull last season, behind only DeMar and Caruso.

Ultimately, of course, the Bulls need more than another pretty good player. They already have Coby and Ayo. You can collect as many guys at that level as you like and you will never win diddly. To truly succeed, you need really good players. But Giddey has a fair chance of reaching that level -- a stronger chance, I would argue, than anybody who is now on the Bulls, given both his age and tools.

1: You're entirely correct about needing the star player (and I think we all agree)

2: The thing I think most people are missing (not you) is that Caruso wasn't going to get you that player. No one was giving you a young, superstar upside player for Caruso. Giddey is probably as close to that as you could get for Caruso. The alternative was probably future non lottery draft picks that have like a 3%-5% chance to be that guy and probably a 25% chance to be as good as Giddey already is.

I feel much better about this deal because Doug isn't crapping all over it. Doug has been right too often for me to dismiss that. The 3 guys I wanted to nab in deals that I would have wanted more were Kuminga, Reaves and Reid. I'm still rooting for one of them in a Demar S&T (honestly I'd be happy with Rui or Vandy too).

I think Reaves could be really good on this Bulls team. But Giddey has more upside as a player and it isn't close.

[Chi town]

17 8 6 in Giddey’s Soph season.

My guess is 18 8 8 next season for the Bulls.

I expect Coby to be 20+ppg and Ayo 18ppg.
If Pat can stay healthy and put it together I could see 16ppg.

[nomorezorro]

more info on the deal from yahoo:

Word of the Bulls’ interest in Giddey had filtered to opposing front offices throughout this past week. Although many executives from opposing teams believed that was a potential construct for a Patrick Williams sign-and-trade — the fourth-year forward is set to reach restricted free agency June 30, with OKC, Toronto and Charlotte already being mentioned by league personnel as possible landing spots for Williams outside of Chicago. ...

The Bulls are making a significant investment in Giddey, not just for the payday their new 21-year-old playmaker will likely command after his rookie deal expires following the 2024-25 season, but in regard to the Caruso offers Chicago dismissed during previous transaction cycles. The Bulls engaged several teams over the past 18 months that were willing to sacrifice first-round draft capital for Caruso, sources said, while Chicago characteristically pushed for unprotected picks and as many as four firsts in some of those conversations. Chicago also refused to include Caruso in deals that would have offloaded Zach LaVine, sources said.