Woj: Thunder Trade Josh Giddey to Bulls for Alex Caruso

[Sakkreth]

Looks good for both sides, but as always, only the time will tell.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Valanciunas would be a tremendous fit there.

Lol no way. Allen is incredibly physical defensively and on the glass. He's also much younger.

Allen got bullied by Mitchell Robinson and Julius Randle in the playoffs in 2023 and then missed the last 9 games of the 2024 playoffs due to a rib injury. Wouldn't even get a shot to try and give it a go. That dude is soft, there has to be someone more reliable than him available.

Blake Griffin got bullied by Ryan Humphries. It means literally nothing when assessing players. Okay so he had a bad series... and missed 9 games he maybe could have played through the pain on? On the court he's a very physical player, definitely not soft.

[PushDaRock]

Lonzo didn't have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls, so I can see Giddey improving in that area with their shooting staff.

Lonzo shot 38% from 3 during his two seasons with the Pelicans prior to Chicago. Your statement is flat out wrong.

You need to elaborate. What is your point? I'm an idiot, I need you to clarify. He improved from 38% to 42%, so why are you disagreeing with me Giddey can't improve as well? What am I missing?

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

[OldeBoy]

This was OKC’s Derek White trade. If they make the finals or win a chip, we’ll look back at this as WTF were the Bulls thinking?

I mean not really. The retrospect for the Bulls will all be based on how Giddy performs. Caruso wasn't leading the Bulls to anything of consequence next year, its literally meaningless if they kept him or traded him.

[dockingsched]

Lonzo didn't have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls, so I can see Giddey improving in that area with their shooting staff.

Lonzo shot 38% from 3 during his two seasons with the Pelicans prior to Chicago. Your statement is flat out wrong.

You need to elaborate. What is your point? I'm an idiot, I need you to clarify. He improved from 38% to 42%, so why are you disagreeing with me Giddey can't improve as well? What am I missing?

Does shooting 38% = not having a 3pt shot? You said he didn’t have a 3pt shot before the bulls.

[Lo Wang]

Lonzo shot 38% from 3 during his two seasons with the Pelicans prior to Chicago. Your statement is flat out wrong.

You need to elaborate. What is your point? I'm an idiot, I need you to clarify. He improved from 38% to 42%, so why are you disagreeing with me Giddey can't improve as well? What am I missing?

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

Let me clarify, 38% is good, 42% is elite. I apologize if I wasn't clear.

[kanahda ballz]

I was a little surprised by the trade as I had a hard time finding a good fit for Giddey on another team.

With the Bulls IMO he would best be served as playing at small/power forward as a point forward, as opposed to playing at either guard position (Bulls already have lots of guards) where he is blown by constantly by other guards due his poor lateral movement and lack of athleticism.

His size and very good rebounding ability should bode well for him at SF/PF and his defensive deficiencies shouldn't be as exploitable by forwards as they are by guards.

That being said, besides his 3 point shooting woes he is a not a good finisher at the rim (although he drives a lot deep into the paint he just has issues finishing at the rim). His TS% has been below average all 3 of his seasons and that is with fairly high usage.

Not sure what the Bulls should do with Giddey after his contract is up after 2024-25. Maybe they offer him a 2 or 3 year deal at the Mid-Level Non-Taxpayer exception. I can't see Giddey getting more than that - unless he has a breakout season in 24-25.

[dockingsched]

You need to elaborate. What is your point? I'm an idiot, I need you to clarify. He improved from 38% to 42%, so why are you disagreeing with me Giddey can't improve as well? What am I missing?

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

That 42% is only a half season sample, as that’s all he played for the bulls. More likely a continuation of shooting prowess already present from his development with the pelicans.

[PushDaRock]

You need to elaborate. What is your point? I'm an idiot, I need you to clarify. He improved from 38% to 42%, so why are you disagreeing with me Giddey can't improve as well? What am I missing?

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

If they get all the credit for Lonzo's 3 point shot improving, do they get the same blame for Vucevic's 3 point shooting falling off a cliff the last 3 years as well? He went from 40% to 31%, 35% and 29% in the last 3 seasons.

[Lo Wang]

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

That 42% is a half season sample, as that’s all he played for the bulls. More likely a continuation of shooting prowess already present from his development with the pelicans.

You might be right, but I think it has more to do with the Bull's shooting staff. This position is filmsy because I can't say it with 100% certainty. We both can be right. All I know is he is not known for his outside shooting until he is on the Bulls. We might have to agree to disagree.

[Lo Wang]

Your statement was Lonzo did not have a 3 point shot before he came to the Bulls. Does 38% on 3 makes per game not count as having a 3 point shot?

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

If they get all the credit for Lonzo's 3 point shot improving, do they get the same blame for Vucevic's 3 point shooting falling off a cliff the last 3 years as well? He went from 40% to 31%, 35% and 29% in the last 3 seasons.

So you don't believe Giddey will improve at all even though he's 21?

[jkvonny]

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

If they get all the credit for Lonzo's 3 point shot improving, do they get the same blame for Vucevic's 3 point shooting falling off a cliff the last 3 years as well? He went from 40% to 31%, 35% and 29% in the last 3 seasons.

So you don't believe Giddey will improve at all even though he's 21?

Hes young.

Should improve, IMO. Great passer as well.

[dockingsched]

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

That 42% is a half season sample, as that’s all he played for the bulls. More likely a continuation of shooting prowess already present from his development with the pelicans.

You might be right, but I think it has more to do with the Bull's shooting staff. This position is filmsy because I can't say it with 100% certainty. We both can be right. All I know is he is not known for his outside shooting until he is on the Bulls. We might have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, gonna have to say this is more about your point not really being valid. You called the pushback a strawman, but your entire point was that if the bulls could build up a non shooter like lonzo, they could build up a non shooter like Giddey.

Showing lonzo was clearly already a shooter before arriving in Chicago directly blows up your point.

[bisme37]

Initially I was surprised OKC got Caruso without adding any picks to the deal, but Caruso is an expiring and could end up being a rental. So I'm thinking that was part of the equation.

He's a great piece for the Thunder, and Giddey will do well with a change of scenery. Good trade for both imo.

[Lo Wang]

That 42% is a half season sample, as that’s all he played for the bulls. More likely a continuation of shooting prowess already present from his development with the pelicans.

You might be right, but I think it has more to do with the Bull's shooting staff. This position is filmsy because I can't say it with 100% certainty. We both can be right. All I know is he is not known for his outside shooting until he is on the Bulls. We might have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, gonna have to say this is more about your point not really being valid. You called the pushback a strawman, but your entire point was that if the bulls could build up a non shooter like lonzo, they could build up a non shooter like Giddey.

Showing lonzo was clearly already a shooter before arriving in Chicago directly blows up your point.

How is shooting 47% and 33% on 3s a non shooter? He's not Curry, but those aren't bad percentages when you take into consideration he shoots 54% and 40% on 3s when he's running the offense, which he will when he's on the Bulls.

[PushDaRock]

You committed a strawman. My position is we saw an improvement when Lonzo came to the Bulls, so therefore, it is rational to expect an improvement with Giddey as well. 38% to 42% is a huge improvement. They have a great shooting staff.

If they get all the credit for Lonzo's 3 point shot improving, do they get the same blame for Vucevic's 3 point shooting falling off a cliff the last 3 years as well? He went from 40% to 31%, 35% and 29% in the last 3 seasons.

So you don't believe Giddey will improve at all even though he's 21?

It's "possible" but not likely that he becomes even an average 3 point shooter.

[PushDaRock]

You might be right, but I think it has more to do with the Bull's shooting staff. This position is filmsy because I can't say it with 100% certainty. We both can be right. All I know is he is not known for his outside shooting until he is on the Bulls. We might have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, gonna have to say this is more about your point not really being valid. You called the pushback a strawman, but your entire point was that if the bulls could build up a non shooter like lonzo, they could build up a non shooter like Giddey.

Showing lonzo was clearly already a shooter before arriving in Chicago directly blows up your point.

How is shooting 47% and 33% on 3s a non shooter? He's not Curry, but those aren't bad percentages when you take into consideration he shoots 54% and 40% on 3s when he's running the offense, which he will when he's on the Bulls.

You're probably just trolling making purposely incoherent arguments to get a rise out of people. Do what you feel, carry on.

[Lo Wang]

If they get all the credit for Lonzo's 3 point shot improving, do they get the same blame for Vucevic's 3 point shooting falling off a cliff the last 3 years as well? He went from 40% to 31%, 35% and 29% in the last 3 seasons.

So you don't believe Giddey will improve at all even though he's 21?

It's "possible" but not likely that he becomes even an average 3 point shooter.

I really don't want to argue over something we both can't be sure about, so let's just agree to disagree.

I will explain my reasoning though:

He has improved his shooting every year and is 47% and 33% from the 3. He is still 21. He has a lot to prove and just went through the worse year of any player (pedophile drama and botching the playoffs). When he is running the offense (meaning when Shai is not on the floor and the ball is in his hands) that percentage jumps to 54% and 40% on 3pters. Therefore, my position is he will improve on the Bulls in every category because they will let him run the offense.

You are not wrong to disagree with me because we both do not know what is going to happen this season.

[SweaterBae]

Presti knows where a lot of bodies are buried, apparently. Yeesh.

[Lo Wang]

Yeah, gonna have to say this is more about your point not really being valid. You called the pushback a strawman, but your entire point was that if the bulls could build up a non shooter like lonzo, they could build up a non shooter like Giddey.

Showing lonzo was clearly already a shooter before arriving in Chicago directly blows up your point.

How is shooting 47% and 33% on 3s a non shooter? He's not Curry, but those aren't bad percentages when you take into consideration he shoots 54% and 40% on 3s when he's running the offense, which he will when he's on the Bulls.

You're probably just trolling making purposely incoherent arguments to get a rise out of people. Do what you feel, carry on.

No I am not trollng. I am a self proclaimed realgm idiot. I want to understand your position and learn from it because I am having a hard time understanding it.