Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[Blue_and_Whte]

I'm so not here for these 2 year role player contracts and staying the course. That is not how teams get better. We need to be aggressive this offseason. Everything has lined up perfectly for us to make a splash play, we have an overachieving team with two stars and a boatload of cap space. This is not the time to be risk averse. Go after Ingram, go after Simons, go after George.

Show your players and your fan base you are serious about winning.

You are correct, sir.

Yes 100% accurate. To take it a step further If AB and Jett aren’t showing significant improvement. BYE. If they keep growing organically I’m going to lose my mind. Look at what OKC did with Giddey an established star For a 30 year old that’s going to make a difference for them now. They aren’t scared of what they pay who how much and the optics of it all.

AB, Jett, Cole, WCJ, first round picks are all expendable. If we don’t have the time or room for our current first round picks, why would we have room for more rookies? Upgrade this goddamn roster now!

[Blue_and_Whte]

I'm so not here for these 2 year role player contracts and staying the course. That is not how teams get better. We need to be aggressive this offseason. Everything has lined up perfectly for us to make a splash play, we have an overachieving team with two stars and a boatload of cap space. This is not the time to be risk averse. Go after Ingram, go after Simons, go after George.

Show your players and your fan base you are serious about winning.

You are correct, sir.

Yes 100% accurate. To take it a step further If AB and Jett aren’t showing significant improvement. BYE. If they keep growing organically I’m going to lose my mind. Look at what OKC did with Giddey an established star For a 30 year old that’s going to make a difference for them now. They aren’t scared of what they pay who how much and the optics of it all.

AB, Jett, Cole, WCJ, first round picks are all expendable. If we don’t have the time or room for our current first round picks, why would we have room for more rookies? Upgrade this goddamn roster now!

[Bensational]

I'm so not here for these 2 year role player contracts and staying the course. That is not how teams get better. We need to be aggressive this offseason. Everything has lined up perfectly for us to make a splash play, we have an overachieving team with two stars and a boatload of cap space. This is not the time to be risk averse. Go after Ingram, go after Simons, go after George.

Show your players and your fan base you are serious about winning.

You are correct, sir.

“Risk” isn’t the issue. If they double down on development then they’re taking a risk there, and one which you’re averse to.

[Knightro]

There’s three core players on this roster.

The Magic *should* be willing (it’s incredibly likely that they are not willing) to move literally any of the other 12 bodies on the roster to better supplement the three guys we are confident are long-term pieces to move forward with.

[Skybox]

Have to keep my 500 trades a day quota up...

HOU sends: FVV, Steven Adams, #3
HOU gets: Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony
Why: Hard-nosed star who steps right in to a fearsome defensive lineup, Isaac adds even more elite defensive versatility and helps keep Sengun on the floor with his rim-protection, switching, and help defense, Cole provides a nice spark plug PG to complement Amen. IF Amen steps forward and vets stay healthy, this is definitely a contender and a deep defensive nightmare.

MIA sends: Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro, #15
MIA gets: FVV, Steven Adams, #3
Why: Butler wants too much, grab a very significant FVV at an open position of need, bruising expiring Adams for depth and rebounding, and #3 for reload on the fly Riley-style

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony
ORL gets: Tyler Herro, #15
Why: Herro provides backcourt scoring & offensive creation, for addtl. salary ORL takes on to facilitate, addtl. mid-draft pick.

*ORL takes on $5m in cap. Seems a little too good for ORL, but seems to work for everybody, imo. I'd happily add DEN 25 but I can't even tell to who-so I'll keep it . Draft Ware at #15 and Schierman at #18. Go shopping with over $35m in cap space unless Ingles or Harris kept. Sign Tyus Jones ($15 x 4) and Kyle Anderson ($13m x 2 +1TO to heavy front-loaded contracts. Fill in as needed with vet mins or hold off for now.

WCJ, M. Wagner, Ware
Paolo, Anderson
Franz, AB, Anderson
Suggs, Jett, Schierman
Herro, Jones, AB

[eyriq]

Franz is 6'10, averages 20 ppg, is a terrific playmaker and defender, and still has an extremely high ceiling as he's only 22 years old.

Paolo is already an All-Star. Also young and still developing.

Suggs is one of the best defenders in the NBA and brings a competitive edge and a high basketball IQ. Also young and still developing.

AB offers unique playmaking ability and size along with terrific versatility that allows him to defend multiple positions and contribute across the board. He has potential to develop into a top-tier guard.

Jett promises to be a three-point specialist and has a lot of room for growth.

This is the core that is going to drive our growth as a team. Everything should be focused on supporting their development.

[cedric76]

Franz is 6'10, averages 20 ppg, is a terrific playmaker and defender, and still has an extremely high ceiling as he's only 22 years old.

Paolo is already an All-Star. Also young and still developing.

Suggs is one of the best defenders in the NBA and brings a competitive edge and a high basketball IQ. Also young and still developing.

AB offers unique playmaking ability and size along with terrific versatility that allows him to defend multiple positions and contribute across the board. He has potential to develop into a top-tier guard.

Jett promises to be a three-point specialist and has a lot of room for growth.

This is the core that is going to drive our growth as a team. Everything should be focused on supporting their development.

I d add JI and wcj (so underrated here) to this list too

[eyriq]

Here's a question. Do you think we have the main ingredients for a championship team already on the roster and we just need to slow cook it? Or do you think we're missing some critical ingredients?

I'll be shocked if all five of these lottery picks turn into All Stars. Like that's just not going to happen. I'll be impressed if all five of them are rotation players on a championship level squad. I think that could be a bit of a stretch too. But honestly, we have enough information on Paolo, Franz and Suggs. They're not even wild cards at this point. Franz a rising star, and honestly suggs is back on track too.

You all know I'm super high on Anthony Black and I think he could be a rising star as well. I don't like Jett much at all but I'm also curious. I mean this front office has been hitting Gold lately.

Even if you don't think we have the ingredients and that's a huge leap of faith to say we have the core ingredients already on the team and if we do, I mean that's almost unheard of. But even if you don't think we do, don't we still owe it to ourselves to find out? I kind of think we do. I kind of really like the idea of being a purist about an organic build. I want to see it through. It's an interesting strategy and almost all the cases I've seen teams get a little greedy and rush things and end up screwing it up. I sort of think Weltman might be a purist, and he obviously has all the political power that he needs to keep the ship on course.

[Skybox]

Franz is 6'10, averages 20 ppg, is a terrific playmaker and defender, and still has an extremely high ceiling as he's only 22 years old.

Paolo is already an All-Star. Also young and still developing.

Suggs is one of the best defenders in the NBA and brings a competitive edge and a high basketball IQ. Also young and still developing.

AB offers unique playmaking ability and size along with terrific versatility that allows him to defend multiple positions and contribute across the board. He has potential to develop into a top-tier guard.

Jett promises to be a three-point specialist and has a lot of room for growth.

This is the core that is going to drive our growth as a team. Everything should be focused on supporting their development.

All (somewhat) true...but there's quite a bit of space between the third point and the two prayers that follow it. I'm not being dismissive (I just wrote a book in the TnT board defending AB's huge upside), but upside and value are not the same...there's a whole lot of hopeful projection to just say that "unique playmaking" is already in his bag. WCJ and Isaac are presently far more impactful - but still expendable for the right deal. Isaac, even in limited minutes, might have been the MOST impactful in establishing the identity that made ORL no fun to play last year. We've got THREE for now....lots of good stuff alongside, but three solid pieces.

[Knightro]

Here's a question. Do you think we have the main ingredients for a championship team already on the roster and we just need to slow cook it? Or do you think we're missing some critical ingredients?

I'll be shocked if all five of these lottery picks turn into All Stars. Like that's just not going to happen. I'll be impressed if all five of them are rotation players on a championship level squad. I think that could be a bit of a stretch too. But honestly, we have enough information on Paolo, Franz and Suggs. They're not even wild cards at this point. Franz a rising star, and honestly suggs is back on track too.

You all know I'm super high on Anthony Black and I think he could be a rising star as well. I don't like Jett much at all but I'm also curious. I mean this front office has been hitting Gold lately.

Even if you don't think we have the ingredients and that's a huge leap of faith to say we have the core ingredients already on the team and if we do, I mean that's almost unheard of. But even if you don't think we do, don't we still owe it to ourselves to find out? I kind of think we do. I kind of really like the idea of being a purist about an organic build. I want to see it through. It's an interesting strategy and almost all the cases I've seen teams get a little greedy and rush things and end up screwing it up. I sort of think Weltman might be a purist, and he obviously has all the political power that he needs to keep the ship on course.

Missing ingredients. Significantly so.

[Bakomagic]

It sounds like Brook Lopez is available. Could he provide us with the perimeter shooting that WCJR provided with some added Rim protection?
I want to improve while maintaining capspace for a better FA class next year. What if we added Brogdon and B.Lopez that could improve us while adding 45 million in expiring contracts

Brogdon/AB
Suggs/Jett
Franz/R. Bullock (FA)/Houstan
Paolo/JI
Lopez/MoW/Drummond (FA)

*Defense, shooting, contract flexibility

[Bensational]

12 months ago nobody was calling Suggs “core” or part of a big 3. One season later he’s shown he deserves to be in that tier.

Rushing moves and trading young talent too early is one surefire way to derail a rebuild. WCJ, Cole, and our picks are realistically the main assets we have to shop, and I could see them on the block for the right price.

[yoyojw17]

What do you'll think it will take to get Collin Sexton? I would have no problem taking on his 2 year contract.... And does everything we would need of him.

[pepe1991]

me watching list of names people throw here.

Just incredible amount of C & D level players, part time starters, very specific & limited role players.

If your masterplan with $35M to spend in free agency is Melton, might as well tell fans to go f*** themselfs .


Magic had 2023-24 season with almost no injuries, matter of fact only big injury helped us ( Fultz) and when Carter was out we played very well with Goga. That gave us 47 wins and first round exit.

If your big addition is one of Sexton/Melton/ KCP or any other player of that caliber, without starting PG in sight, and you have just about average year in terms of injuries, you probably won't even win 47 games again and you will be first round exit again.

Magic need starting level PG. We are not one crappy mid level exception 3& D guy away from being great team. It's just East, and how average eveybody but Celtics are that gives you perception of false quality. I mean, Pacers ended up in ECF , that's how tough it is.

Who are the target(s) that you would be looking at...via trade or FA?

Hahaha.

Thats the Solutions Department. Pepe works in the Problems División.

In real life i work on plan analysis department

But let's go back to basketball, salary cap can be used without outright singing of FA players. You can make trades where you will apsorb salary of player other team no longer wants/needs.

For example i would rather make some minor trade to pick up Dennis Schroder on his $12M than sign Melton, who is overall, imo, much worst player .

Matter of fact i would keep Mikal Bridges ( again, Nets team) very high on my trade list of wishes.
Jett+ Nets 2025, Suns picks swap, maybe Magic 2024 pick and salary filler ( Cole?) - it would be very good move.


if you can round up free agency withIs Schroder +aiah Hartenstein, it would be great summer , imo. Mikal would be just perfect with, but we would still have PG position to deal with.


As for more FAs, why not consider Monte Morris as low price pickup for PG?

[Bensational]

It sounds like Brook Lopez is available. Could he provide us with the perimeter shooting that WCJR provided with some added Rim protection?
I want to improve while maintaining capspace for a better FA class next year. What if we added Brogdon and B.Lopez that could improve us while adding 45 million in expiring contracts

Brogdon/AB
Suggs/Jett
Franz/R. Bullock (FA)/Houstan
Paolo/JI
Lopez/MoW/Drummond (FA)

*Defense, shooting, contract flexibility

Tight. Brogdon and Lopez would be great short term veterans. Drummond would be a quiet steal. I don’t love Bullock and think Ingles will be back for sure, so maybe Houstan/Jett splits his minutes with him?

[Bensational]

Here's a question. Do you think we have the main ingredients for a championship team already on the roster and we just need to slow cook it? Or do you think we're missing some critical ingredients?

Mostly missing time: to see how the young guys develop, and to see what pieces will be needed to become a champion when our guys are ready. Nobody knew the C’s needed JRue, White, Porzingis and Horford for Tatum and Brown to become champions after their 2nd season.

[OnlyFranz22]

What would you give up for Donovan Mitchell?

Cavs have no coach. They know he’s not staying.

[OnlyFranz22]

Brook Lopez I also agree with. I mentioned that yesterday. I think he stays in Milwaukee though.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I just hope we dont resign Fultz.

[Knightro]

Here's a question. Do you think we have the main ingredients for a championship team already on the roster and we just need to slow cook it? Or do you think we're missing some critical ingredients?

Mostly missing time: to see how the young guys develop, and to see what pieces will be needed to become a champion when our guys are ready. Nobody knew the C’s needed JRue, White, Porzingis and Horford for Tatum and Brown to become champions after their 2nd season.

This is just a wildly inaccurate misrepresentation of what Boston actually did over the last 8+ years though man.

You know what the Celtics did a week after drafting Jaylen Brown? They signed Al Horford to a max contract.

You know what the Celtics did a week after drafting Jayson Tatum? They signed Gordon Hayward to a max contract.

You know what the Celtics did two months after drafting Jayson Tatum? They traded for Kyrie Irving who was on a max contract.

You know what the Celtics did after Kyrie Irving and Al Horford both walked in free agency in the summer of 2019? They signed Kemba Walker to a max contract.

You know what the Celtics did when Kemba flamed out? The immediately punted him to bring Horford back and traded two first rounders for Derrick White.

When the Smart/White/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Brogdon core wasn't good enough to win the title, they punted Smart and a 1st for Porzingis and Brogdon and two firsts for Jrue.

This idea that the Celtics let things grow naturally with Tatum and Brown and only once they realized what they had did they get aggressive in adding pieces around them is just flat out false.

Boston has been incredibly aggressive in both free agency and in trades for literally the last eight offseasons.

Not to mention the fact that due to one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history where the Celtics fleeced the Nets, they were adding top 3 picks to a roster that was already very good.

The 15-16 Celtics won 48 games and picked 3rd. The 16-17 Celtics won 53 games and made the conference finals and won the draft lottery for goodness sake.