Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[ShootingtheJ]

Thinking AJ Green and Goga Bitadze can be starters on an NBA Finals team is a hard pass for me. You can't just turn Brook into a draft pick and a couple 10-15 minute fringe regular season rotation dudes. Again, you need a sure-fire starter or top-end rotation player coming back here (Dort, Terance Mann, Bruce Brown, etc.) if you're moving Brook. He's too valuable otherwise.

Goga has really improved, but he's a deep drop center, and we're trying to get away from that.

Our next center will be shorter but quicker, and might be able to actually guard someone come playoff time.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Thinking AJ Green and Goga Bitadze can be starters on an NBA Finals team is a hard pass for me. You can't just turn Brook into a draft pick and a couple 10-15 minute fringe regular season rotation dudes. Again, you need a sure-fire starter or top-end rotation player coming back here (Dort, Terance Mann, Bruce Brown, etc.) if you're moving Brook. He's too valuable otherwise.

Call me crazy but I really do think AJ Green can start for a finals team.

But we'll never know if we don't give him a steady run of minutes and let him work through any growing pains.

Your overall point is correct though, we can't be trading Brook for fringe rotation guys. He still has a ton of regular season value protecting the paint, and besides possible matchups with Boston, Indiana, and maybe OKC he can still get 25-30 minutes in the playoffs.

[Frank Nova]

Windhorst said the same thing about the Bucks. They all may be a bunch of followers but that’s 3 people mentioning the same thing now.

Here's the windhorst Bucks portion. Lot of smoke. Draft night could be interesting.

Doc Rivers is looking to change the core around Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard, per
@WindhorstESPN

“There's starting to be rumblings that Doc Rivers is looking for a change or two to some of their core pieces. Not Dame or Giannis, but potentially looking at another maneuver they could make to alter their team. I think they could be active in the trade market coming up. I think it's less likely than Philly or New York that they could make this big move, but don't forget about Milwaukee.”

I said months ago if Middleton happens to be on the move it’s gonna be in a bigger deal to land another Dame type trade. Something like Middleton and Brook for Paul George and a filler from LAC. It really might be time to get uncomfortable as Bucks fans. Doc is a total wild card and we’re gonna find out real quick how good or bad that really is for the franchise….

[Ruben Quevedo]

Windhorst said the same thing about the Bucks. They all may be a bunch of followers but that’s 3 people mentioning the same thing now.

Here's the windhorst Bucks portion. Lot of smoke. Draft night could be interesting.

Doc Rivers is looking to change the core around Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard, per
@WindhorstESPN

“There's starting to be rumblings that Doc Rivers is looking for a change or two to some of their core pieces. Not Dame or Giannis, but potentially looking at another maneuver they could make to alter their team. I think they could be active in the trade market coming up. I think it's less likely than Philly or New York that they could make this big move, but don't forget about Milwaukee.”

I said months ago if Middleton happens to be on the move it’s gonna be in a bigger deal to land another Dame type trade. Something like Middleton and Brook for Paul George and a filler from LAC. It really might be time to get uncomfortable as Bucks fans. Doc is a total wild card and we’re gonna find out real quick how good or bad that really is for the franchise….

His coaching is fine (maybe even good?) but Doc calling the shots as a GM would be a disaster.

[Bernman]

Middleton being excluded from the core is very concerning. And that's the first I've heard of Horst being influenced by non personnel guys. That's a pt for Emunney I suppose.

Is Doc going to leverage his Ray Allen for GP trade? Middleton's got a # of more yrs helping us. He's not part of the problem present or future, unlike jragon believes. And he's not going to fetch a very strong return.

If the shakeup is not Dame for a younger core guy, then I wish the moves would be confined to the top role players. Provided the Bucks traded Brook & opened up the tpmle, could & should we sign Val on it?

[Daver]

Yahoo sports report the Bucks could be looking to shake up some core pieces. Time to get uncomfortable, boys and girls.

One step ahead of you (my chiropractor dropped my insurance)

Think by core pieces they mean lopez he is considered a core piece

[fansinceforever]

The reality is none of us have any idea what Middleton's value is. I'm just glad the organization, if Windohorst is to be believed, exploring all avenues. It only makes sense to do that.

[Bernman]

The reality is none of us have any idea what Middleton's value is. I'm just glad the organization, if Windohorst is to be believed, exploring all avenues. It only makes sense to do that.

Don't you propose just trading him for role players and shrinking the core? That's one aversion I have.

Another is if he's consolidated w/ other assets for a short term core guy from an age & contract standpoint like Paul George. If it's something like Midds, Brook/Bobby, & our 1st; gag me w/ a spoon. That's fake value for Midds+.

[ReasonablySober]

It'd make sense to move Middleton now before he opts out and leaves next summer.

[Bernman]

It'd make sense to move Middleton now before he opts out and leaves next summer.

What has he done to show it's his intention? We've been in this situation w/ him multiple times before, and he's always extended or re-signed..at a discounted rate. He's a humble guy, practically a career Buck, & can contend here. Ball's in our court.

[ReasonablySober]

It'd make sense to move Middleton now before he opts out and leaves next summer.

What has he done to show it's his intention? We've been in this situation w/ him multiple times before, and he's always extended or re-signed, & at a discounted rate. He's a humble guy, practically a career Buck, & can contend here. Ball's in our court.

The ball is in his. He's the one with the opt out.

[Bernman]

The ball is in his. He's the one with the opt out.

Well, it's in both our courts. But I'm saying all signs are he'd be inclined to a return, if he's offered a reasonable deal. He could still be extended before he reaches FA.

[fansinceforever]

The reality is none of us have any idea what Middleton's value is. I'm just glad the organization, if Windohorst is to be believed, exploring all avenues. It only makes sense to do that.

Don't you propose just trading him for role players and shrinking the core? That's one aversion I have.

Another is if he's consolidated w/ other assets for a short term core guy from an age & contract standpoint like Paul George. If it's something like Midds, Brook/Bobby, & our 1st; gag me w/ a spoon. That's fake value for Midds+.

I've proposed moving Middleton to get better in the aggregate. I think we're a lot farther away from playing championship level defense than adding a couple bodies that can slide their feet.

Paul George wouldn't be my target.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Khris is two years younger, and has played in more games than PG13 since the year 2021. Why would we make that move?

[Bernman]

I've proposed moving Middleton to get better in the aggregate. I think we're a lot farther away from playing championship level defense than adding a couple bodies that can slide their feet.

Chances are far more likely that having 3 core offensive guys gives you more cushion to keep advancing throughout the playoffs, especially when the other 2 have been out for the last 2 Aprils.

Giannis, 2 defenders, an average defender when healthy in Midds, and a bad one in Lillard; is a championship level defense, in conjunction w/ elite offense. It's better than the Nuggets trotted out w/ Jokic, Murray, & Gordon.

Paul George wouldn't be my target.

I rationally (I think) worry that something to that effect would be Doc's though.

[Bernman]

Khris is two years younger, and has played in more games than PG13 since the year 2021. Why would we make that move?

Ray Allen is 7 years younger, & GP is on the last year of his contract. Why would we make that move?

We wouldn't do things like it cuz we're not coaches who have an infatuation w/ old vets, especially who we've coached before.

[machu46]

Middleton being excluded from the core is very concerning. And that's the first I've heard of Horst being influenced by non personnel guys. That's a pt for Emunney I suppose.

Is Doc going to leverage his Ray Allen for GP trade? Middleton's got a # of more yrs helping us. He's not part of the problem present or future, unlike jragon believes. And he's not going to fetch a very strong return.

If the shakeup is not Dame for a younger core guy, then I wish the moves would be confined to the top role players. Provided the Bucks traded Brook & opened up the tpmle, could & should we sign Val on it?

I have to assume if the return is “not very strong” we simply will not trade Middleton. Maybe I’ll look like an idiot here but I just don’t see us trading him just to make a trade.

Very interesting that Windhorst didn’t mention him though.


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[Ron Swanson]

Think you guys are reading way too much into Khris not being mentioned, and I don't think that Khris has ever been "untouchable" at any point in his Bucks tenure. All signs still point to Brook and/or Bobby being the pieces that'd be on the move.

[Bernman]

I have to assume if the return is “not very strong” we simply will not trade Middleton. Maybe I’ll look like an idiot here but I just don’t see us trading him just to make a trade.

Very interesting that Windhorst didn’t mention him though.


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But what constitutes not strong to someone like Doc who has an affinity old vets. Maybe he wouldn't trade him for role players like fansinceforever wants, but a big name like George, even if we'd have to package Midds w/ other assets, might be viewed highly.

[fansinceforever]

I've proposed moving Middleton to get better in the aggregate. I think we're a lot farther away from playing championship level defense than adding a couple bodies that can slide their feet.

Chances are far more likely that having 3 core offensive guys gives you more cushion to keep advancing throughout the playoffs, especially when the other 2 have been out for the last 2 Aprils.

Giannis, 2 defenders, an average defender when healthy in Midds, and a bad one in Lillard; is a championship level defense, in conjunction w/ elite offense. It's better than the Nuggets trotted out w/ Jokic, Murray, & Gordon.

Paul George wouldn't be my target.

I rationally (I think) worry that something to that effect would be Doc's though.

Yeah, maybe but this is entirely dependent on you getting those "2 defenders" that you mentioned. I'm of the opinion that we either strike out or create new problems by moving the only two centers on the roster for the defenders.

I would bet Middleton + gets you closer to 2-3 guys that can defend and give you something else more than moving Bobby and/or Brook will. The Bucks can be a top 10 offense with Giannis/Dame as it's focal points on offense.