The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[mkot]

The old one reached 101 pages so I figure we should start a new one.

Part 1 here:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2374862

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I really like the idea of Dayron Sharpe! He's a more skilled, more athletic/ mobile version of Nurkic. And I think he could really excel here. But I wouldn't trade our 22nd pick or 2031 for him without another key piece and/or our 25' first coming back ( if for the PHX 2031 1st being included) or another 2nd coming back in this draft from some team in a 3 team deal.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[KdoubleDees23]

Beal, Nurkic, 2024 1st, 2031 or whatever our next 1st

for

Butler, Duncan Robinson

[BobbieL]

Beal, Nurkic, 2024 1st, 2031 or whatever our next 1st

for

Butler, Duncan Robinson

Can we trade them Durant instead when butler leaves?

[BobbieL]

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Gambo said Gordon won't be back either - which is fine

Suns need a better bench - so am good if things are mixed up a little. They signed a bunch of guys - I had high hopes - but alas, didn't work

Need to get a better bench

[Biff]

RE: Bronny and Lebron. Thought the same as you all, just a bit mystified why we're working him out. He's a borderline NBA talent and IMO really has no business being drafted in either round.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-on-paul-george-knicks-could-move-mitchell-robinson-surprising-jazz-player-on-block/

Knicks shopping Mitchell Robinson?

The Knicks are in a difficult position when it comes to re-signing key center Isaiah Hartenstein. Because of his Early Bird Rights, New York can only offer him a 75% raise on his previous salary. That would take him to roughly $72.5 million over four years, a figure they'd be happy to pay, but one that opposing teams could top. At first, it looked like the Oklahoma City Thunder were prepared to do so, but now, after landing Alex Caruso, they have seemingly cooled on him. For now, it looks like Hartenstein will remain with the Knicks.

But New York's other primary center, Robinson, is now reportedly on the block. It makes sense financially for the Knicks. While Robinson's salary is relatively low, his injuries have made him somewhat unreliable, and if New York trusts Precious Achiuwa to serve as its backup center at a lower price, turning Robinson into value elsewhere could help the roster overall. The tag-team of Hartenstein and Robinson has been a major weapon for New York in recent years. They Knicks have frequently shifted minutes towards one or the other depending on matchup and who is playing well on a given night. Achiuwa doesn't merit that same treatment. He would firmly be a backup. But a healthy, affordable backup can sometimes be more valuable than a better, but more expensive and injury-prone player.


Jazz open to moving Walker Kessler?

The Jazz have spent the past few seasons vacillating between win-now and win-later mode. They've pursued veteran acquisitions like Jrue Holiday and Dejounte Murray without sealing the deal on any such players, but they've also sold off valuable players at the deadline for the sake of maximizing draft position. It still isn't clear what their long-term approach is, and Friday's news doesn't help. According to Fischer, Utah is open to moving young center Walker Kessler.

Kessler is one of the best young rim-protectors in basketball. He's still on a cheap rookie contract and will be for two more seasons. But the Jazz had their most success this season with Kessler coming off of the bench, as he doesn't fit next to another non-shooting big man in John Collins. Kessler should be able to fetch a strong return if the Jazz do attempt to trade him, and there will be multiple suitors even if we only account for all of the teams trying to trade up for the similar Donovan Clingan ahead of the 2024 NBA Draft on Wednesday. Players this young and this talented rarely get moved by teams that are rebuilding, so the Jazz may have something bigger up their sleeve.

Two potential trades that I've mentioned recently have been premised around the idea that we could/ should trade for Mitchell Robinson OR Walker Kessler. Now reports are coming out that New York is looking to move on from Mitchell Robinson and Utah is looking at possibly trading Walker Kessler.

I think we should revisit the discussions and postulate on the possibilities of trading for these players with the knowledge of these teams also having later picks in the same draft that we're looking to trade back into at later ranges.

[Ghost of Kleine]

RE: Bronny and Lebron. Thought the same as you all, just a bit mystified why we're working him out. He's a borderline NBA talent and IMO really has no business being drafted in either round.

It's basically James Jones doing his master's (Lebron's) budding and allowing James and Klutch to use us in order to put out reports of stated interest to try and generate increased attention, curiosity and hype for bronny from other curious teams. And with the Hope's that putting these rumors out there, other teams will convince themselves that they somehow missed something with him and those teams will get curious about him and consider drafting him at a higher range than he'd get considered under normal circumstances.

This is also why Rich Paul is putting out these false rumors of other teams now having interest in bronny as a first round option when in reality, no team in their right mind would waste a first or even early 2nd round pick on him.

Just typical Klutch mind games and manipulation tactics is all.

[Biff]

RE: Bronny and Lebron. Thought the same as you all, just a bit mystified why we're working him out. He's a borderline NBA talent and IMO really has no business being drafted in either round.

It's basically James Jones doing his master's ( lebron's) budding and allowing James and Klutch to use us in order to put out reports of stated interest to try and generate increased attention, curiosity and hype for bronny from other curious teams. And with the Hope's that putting these rumors out there, other teams will convince themselves that they somehow missed something with him and those teams will get curious about him and consider drafting him at a higher range than he'd get considered under normal circumstances.

This is also why Rich Paul is putting out these false rumors of other teams now having interest in bronny as a first round option when in reality, no team in their right mind would waste a first or even early 2nd round pick on him.

Just typical Klutch mind games and manipulation tactics is all.

That's right, I forgot Jones and Lebron are buddies. Makes sense now. Thank you.

[Ghost of Kleine]

RE: Bronny and Lebron. Thought the same as you all, just a bit mystified why we're working him out. He's a borderline NBA talent and IMO really has no business being drafted in either round.

It's basically James Jones doing his master's (lebron's) budding and allowing James and Klutch to use us in order to put out reports of stated interest to try and generate increased attention, curiosity and hype for bronny from other curious teams. And with the Hope's that putting these rumors out there, other teams will convince themselves that they somehow missed something with him and those teams will get curious about him and consider drafting him at a higher range than he'd get considered under normal circumstances.

This is also why Rich Paul is putting out these false rumors of other teams now having interest in bronny as a first round option when in reality, no team in their right mind would waste a first or even early 2nd round pick on him.

Just typical Klutch mind games and manipulation tactics is all.

That's right, I forgot Jones and Lebron are buddies. Makes sense now. Thank you.

Yep! No problem man.

I think what bothers me the most about Jones doing this though is that he has a job to do for us, and he's prioritizing helping his old Buddy Lebron over putting his full focus into this draft when this draft will be immensely critical to our franchise and a potential foundational piece for our core interests going forward.

But instead he's wasting time and focusing on pandering to James' interests over doing his job to try and yield the best value outcome for our franchise. It's his job at the most critical juncture for our franchise, and he's occupied elsewhere.

[SkyBill40]

Saw Eubanks was declining his player option and will test free agency.

Thanks, Drew. Best news I've read all day. Sucks that we lost a second round pick on your worthless ass.

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[bullsaficianado]

Beal, Nurkic, 2024 1st, 2031 or whatever our next 1st

for

Butler, Duncan Robinson

Tempting. I would prefer just a straight up Beal for Butler trade if Beal would waive his no trade clause to go to Heat. I don't want to lose Nurkic to gamble on Butler.

[Ghost of Kleine]

ABSOLUTELY HUGE BREAKING NEWS FOR THE SUNS AND JONES!!!!

https://burncitysports.com/2024/06/21/report-former-suns-forward-to-decline-player-option/

PHOENIX SUNS Report: Former Suns forward to decline player option

by Brendan Mau

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For a while I honestly wasn't sure if our season might be over before it even started and our future looked pretty dim too!

BUT NOW............................. OUR SAVIOR MIGHT BE RETURNING FOR THE 3RD TIME TO HELP KD AND BOOKER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP HERE IN PHOENIX!!!!

This is a league altering move if Jones can pull it off somehow bringing Craig back for the 3rd time.

Craig can be the leader this team and our big three need and can defer too finally!

[mkot]

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Looks like now he might opt-in and ask for a trade. Bradley Beal for Paul George. Steve Ballmer gets his flashy name for his new arena. PG is old and inury prone but a better fit and an expiring.

Crazy I know, but if Thunder can rob the Bulls like that crazier deals can happen.

[bullsaficianado]

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Looks like now he might opt-in and ask for a trade. Bradley Beal for Paul George. Steve Ballmer gets his flashy name for his new arena. PG is old and inury prone but a better fit and an expiring.

Crazy I know, but if Thunder can rob the Bulls like that crazier deals can happen.

I doubt Ballmer wants to help the Suns out. I agree he is a better fit for the Suns roster than Beal.

Beal has a no trade clause as you all know so if he don't want to leave the Suns he ain't getting traded.

I have not read or heard any reports Beal is unhappy and wants to be traded. It would be up to the Suns brass to approach Beal and ask if he would like to be traded for this or that and it's up to him. We are likely stuck with Beal.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Goga is a top ( vet min) free agency option for me as more mobile, more athletic version of Nurkic for Nurkic insurance, along with Nik Richards ( via trade) or Yves Missi in the draft.

You sell Bidatze on the value education that happened for his teammate Bol Bol here with us and a possible eventual starting spot consideration once Nurkic leaves. Now if Missi is off the board at 22, then you pivot to a trade back ( with New York or Washington) and take Kolek and Dunn ( 10% block percentage/ elite recovery defender/ lockdown defensive wing), and take Ariel Hukporti ( alternatively) as an undrafted option.

Ariel Hukporti is a rugged, physical, mobile 7 ft version of Clint Capela with much the same strengths and weaknesses, but much much cheaper. And a walking productive double/ double utility defensive big that can play off of our offensive players in a simplified role.

Then you can look to sign either ( or both) Blake Hinson and/ or Moses Wood for 6'8 jumbo wing forwards that are both athletic, physical 3 point assassins with absurd shooting versatility. If Kolek is gone in a trade back scenario, no big deal! You simply pivot with your acquires 2nd round pick to Ajay Mitchell who compares favorably to Jalen Brunson and still take Dunn as a long explosive lockdown defensive wing, Mitchell at around 38-40. And then Huktpori on one of our 3 available teo ways.

Then you head into free agency having already addressed defensive athletic backup center option, table setting floor general backup guard and a very athletic lockdown defensive wing. Now we only need to supplement our 3 or scoring and further veteran depth with:

1- Kyle Lowry or Kris Dunn.
2- Goga Bidatze or Mason Plumlee 2nd rotation big.
3- Mike Muscala, Meyers Leonard or Matthew Hurt? Maybe even look at bringing back Kaminsky or adding Pter Cornelie ( a name probably nobody has heard of)??

If more shooting is needed, Koe Harris is still unsigned, as is Daniel House and Vincent Valerio Bodon too ( 6'9 sharpshooting wing).

[Crives]

If we trade down for more picks Adam Bona could be an interesting backup C

[garrick]

ABSOLUTELY HUGE BREAKING NEWS FOR THE SUNS AND JONES!!!!

https://burncitysports.com/2024/06/21/report-former-suns-forward-to-decline-player-option/

PHOENIX SUNS Report: Former Suns forward to decline player option

by Brendan Mau

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For a while I honestly wasn't sure if our season might be over before it even started and our future looked pretty dim too!

BUT NOW............................. OUR SAVIOR MIGHT BE RETURNING FOR THE 3RD TIME TO HELP KD AND BOOKER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP HERE IN PHOENIX!!!!

This is a league altering move if Jones can pull it off somehow bringing Craig back for the 3rd time.

Craig can be the leader this team and our big three need and can defer too finally!

What's baffling is that Craig is a known quality as a cheap and productive forward but JJ has time and again failed to resign him and let him walk in free agency when the more prudent move would have been to lock him in on an affordable deal.

Craig so far has been far more reliable than any of his replacements like Royce, KBD, Yuta so he is probably going to get something like 4-5m deal on a contending team and isn't going to sign with us on a minimum deal.

Just more incompetence from our moronic GM.