Around the League - Beasley Boogies to Detroit

[RRyder823]

stole my reply.

I mean he probably did steal your reply but that doesn't mean you both aren't talking gibrish.

Just cause you don't make some huge trade at the deadline doesn't mean you "punted"

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They went into the postseason without a center so yes they punted the trade deadline. They didn’t make a win now move. Their move was taking on GH’s expiring contract to free up more space this summer.

You don't really think you proved your point with that do you?

I'll say it again. Not making some grandiose move doesn't mean they punted the deadline or that they werent in win now mode last year. I don't want to say thinking that is dumb but well....... It is

I know this is gonna sound crazy but a team can try to both be trying to win now and also try and put themselves in position to keep winning later at the same time. Crazy concept I know

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[RiotPunch]

I mean he probably did steal your reply but that doesn't mean you both aren't talking gibrish.

Just cause you don't make some huge trade at the deadline doesn't mean you "punted"

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They went into the postseason without a center so yes they punted the trade deadline. They didn’t make a win now move. Their move was taking on GH’s expiring contract to free up more space this summer.

You don't really think you proved your point with that do you?

I'll say it again. Not making some grandiose move doesn't mean they punted the deadline or that they werent in win now mode last year. I don't want to say thinking that is dumb but well....... It is

I know this is gonna sound crazy but a team can try to both be trying to win now and also try and put themselves in position to keep winning later at the same time. Crazy concept I know

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Which is what the original poster was getting at, I think.

OKC still has assets galore to outbid anyone for their trade targets, if they are indeed all-in. Moving Giddey for a 30 year old suggests they are all-in.

Hayward was a low-risk, high-reward move. Didn't work out, wasn't a punt.

[BroncoBuck]

I mean he probably did steal your reply but that doesn't mean you both aren't talking gibrish.

Just cause you don't make some huge trade at the deadline doesn't mean you "punted"

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They went into the postseason without a center so yes they punted the trade deadline. They didn’t make a win now move. Their move was taking on GH’s expiring contract to free up more space this summer.

You don't really think you proved your point with that do you?

I'll say it again. Not making some grandiose move doesn't mean they punted the deadline or that they werent in win now mode last year. I don't want to say thinking that is dumb but well....... It is

I know this is gonna sound crazy but a team can try to both be trying to win now and also try and put themselves in position to keep winning later at the same time. Crazy concept I know

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Again, they literally didn’t have a center on their roster.

We’re not even talking about a grandiose trade. We’re talking about making a move to win in the postseason and they didn’t. Everyone knew they weren’t going far without a **** center. Daniel Gafford was dealt for peanuts.

They chose to punt on winning now last year and that’s exactly what happened. They flamed out in the second round in a year in which they could’ve made a Finals run.

Arguing they were in “win now” mode last year when they were totally fine entering the playoffs with an incredible massive deficiency is ridiculous.

[machu46]

LaVine to 76ers seems destined for failure. But conflicting reports of whether it’s a thing.

The good news for us is that Paul George is staying in LA and not going to Philly.

Additionally, the Sixer fans were setting themselves up for Lavine, but with them also getting Caruso as the incentive to take on that huge contact. Well, that dream died today.

Sixers could be up a creek in getting that third star.

There could theoretically be a lot of guys available this offseason depending on what rumors you believe. What seems to be a shift towards rebuilding for Chicago may also make DeRozan an unrestricted free agent. Not to mention all the potential trade possibilities.


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[pifhluk23]

Giddey sucks, he's a role player on cruise control. Talented but useless. The Bulls are dumb, OKC wins another trade.

For the Bulls, it's not about the trade, it's about almost always bringing in the wrong kind of player. A team that wants nothing more than to win exactly 40 games every year.

As Bucks fans we can spot this type of FO from a mile away and I 100% agree the Bulls are stuck in the Herb Kohl cycle. They need a big shakeup up top.

[GoldenAntlers]

Giddey sucks, he's a role player on cruise control. Talented but useless. The Bulls are dumb, OKC wins another trade.

For the Bulls, it's not about the trade, it's about almost always bringing in the wrong kind of player. A team that wants nothing more than to win exactly 40 games every year.

As Bucks fans we can spot this type of FO from a mile away and I 100% agree the Bulls are stuck in the Herb Kohl cycle. They need a big shakeup up top.

I would feel bad for them, but Chicago's a whore.

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[skbucks1985]

I didn't realize this until yesterday, but the Bulls pick next year is a top-10 protected pick that otherwise goes to San Antonio from the DeRozan deal. That definitely makes me think they're going to do at the very least a soft rebuild this offseason by trying to offload Lavine and Vuc and not resigning DeRozan

[raferfenix]

Bulls pick next year is a top-10 protected pick that otherwise goes to San Antonio from the DeRozan deal.

Didn’t realize this either.

Giddey may be at his best as a tank commander too.

[machu46]

I didn't realize this until yesterday, but the Bulls pick next year is a top-10 protected pick that otherwise goes to San Antonio from the DeRozan deal. That definitely makes me think they're going to do at the very least a soft rebuild this offseason by trying to offload Lavine and Vuc and not resigning DeRozan

I think they were probably always pretty likely to keep that pick anyways, but yes, this trade does feel like it should help, and moving guys like DeRozan and Vucevic would help too.

[MickeyDavis]

Bulls are the very definition of a treadmill team and tanking makes some sense if you do it right and draft well.

The Bucks won the championship with just one lottery player and he came as a FA (Brook). For all of Winning Takes Balls our only lottery pick was a bust. Our championship team was built with a great non lottery pick along with astute trades and FA signings.

[midranger]

Bulls are the very definition of a treadmill team and tanking makes some sense if you do it right and draft well.

The Bucks won the championship with just one lottery player and he came as a FA (Brook). For all of Winning Takes Balls our only lottery pick was a bust. Our championship team was built with a great non lottery pick along with astute trades and FA signings.

Many ways to skin a cat.

Boston just won with two #3 picks (one of whom they would have taken #1 overall (or traded for Jabari Parker)) leading the way.

The key is finding very good players through whatever mechanism. Unless you in Miami or LA, the draft is the most straightforward path to that. The higher the pick, the more draftable options you have. Obviously, you need to take the right guy, but at least he’s still on the board.

[FrieAaron]

The treadmill move is keeping Caruso, not moving him for a player who's still 21. I assume this is the first of multiple moves to them, but it signals they realize they're a treadmill team and are at least soft-resetting.

[paulpressey25]

The Bucks won the championship with just one lottery player and he came as a FA (Brook). For all of Winning Takes Balls our only lottery pick was a bust. Our championship team was built with a great non lottery pick along with astute trades and FA signings.

This is a good future discussion. Back in 2013 for SOB I did that analysis of players who made All-NBA teams and where they were picked.

https://saveourbucks.com/the-importance-of-a-top-5-pick/

I took all the players from 1991 to 2010. During that period, virtually all the stars came out of the top five picks in the draft. And there was clearly no question that high lotto drove success.

However, post 2010 we've seen the following:
-Massive increase in the importance of the three point shot. This gutted the importance of bigs and also equalized out somewhat the need for talent that could get to the line and score inside
-The International market exploded. And so many teams still don't know how to perfectly scout this stuff. So a Giannis and Jokic get drafted super young at picks #15 and #40

Its now put a premium on international scouting and development and also smart trades (see Boston).

[emunney]

Just please don't sign this dude to 'replace' Brook or Bobby.

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[emunney]

The Bucks won the championship with just one lottery player and he came as a FA (Brook). For all of Winning Takes Balls our only lottery pick was a bust. Our championship team was built with a great non lottery pick along with astute trades and FA signings.

This is a good future discussion. Back in 2013 for SOB I did that analysis of players who made All-NBA teams and where they were picked.

https://saveourbucks.com/the-importance-of-a-top-5-pick/

I took all the players from 1991 to 2010. During that period, virtually all the stars came out of the top five picks in the draft. And there was clearly no question that high lotto drove success.

However, post 2010 we've seen the following:
-Massive increase in the importance of the three point shot. This gutted the importance of bigs and also equalized out somewhat the need for talent that could get to the line and score inside
-The International market exploded. And so many teams still don't know how to perfectly scout this stuff. So a Giannis and Jokic get drafted super young at picks #15 and #40

Its now put a premium on international scouting and development and also smart trades (see Boston).

You might remember how my Frontier Theory predicted your last point. 100 years from now we're not going to know WHAT to make of Moon College players. I mean the general we, of course. I'll know because I'll be omniscient plasma

[FlagsFlyForever]

Bulls are the very definition of a treadmill team and tanking makes some sense if you do it right and draft well.

The Bucks won the championship with just one lottery player and he came as a FA (Brook). For all of Winning Takes Balls our only lottery pick was a bust. Our championship team was built with a great non lottery pick along with astute trades and FA signings.

Many ways to skin a cat.

Boston just won with two #3 picks (one of whom they would have taken #1 overall (or traded for Jabari Parker)) leading the way.

Draft picks are valuable, but generally not worth the cost of tanking. The Celtics acquired their top 5 picks (Brown, Tatum) by trade and were a playoff team at the time they drafted both players.

[humanrefutation]

Remember when Arturas Karnisovas was a finalist to become our GM before Horst got hired?

[raferfenix]

What’s going on in Utah?

Jake Fischer: Rival teams believe Utah is willing to engage in trade talks that would part ways with Jazz second-year center Walker Kessler.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-willing-engage-trade-discussions-walker-kessler

According to ESPN's Spence Checketts, second-year center Walker Kessler may not be pleased with the trajectory Utah had been on through the season, with a potential unknown quarrel happening between he and coach Will Hardy sometime during the year

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/insider-rumors-walker-kessler-not-thrilled-jazz

According to K.C. Johnson of NBC Sports Chicago, more moves are coming. In fact, the Bulls are in active talks with the Utah Jazz and the Philadelphia 76ers for a potential Zach LaVine trade.

https://dawindycity.com/posts/bulls-reportedly-discussing-zach-lavine-trades-following-caruso-move-01j0w67d70ax

[machu46]

What’s going on in Utah?

Jake Fischer: Rival teams believe Utah is willing to engage in trade talks that would part ways with Jazz second-year center Walker Kessler.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-willing-engage-trade-discussions-walker-kessler

According to ESPN's Spence Checketts, second-year center Walker Kessler may not be pleased with the trajectory Utah had been on through the season, with a potential unknown quarrel happening between he and coach Will Hardy sometime during the year

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/insider-rumors-walker-kessler-not-thrilled-jazz

According to K.C. Johnson of NBC Sports Chicago, more moves are coming. In fact, the Bulls are in active talks with the Utah Jazz and the Philadelphia 76ers for a potential Zach LaVine trade.

https://dawindycity.com/posts/bulls-reportedly-discussing-zach-lavine-trades-following-caruso-move-01j0w67d70ax

The gist I’ve heard from Jazz fans is Kessler’s dad is overbearing and he and Walker want him focusing on become a 3 point shooter (makes sense considering the way he played in high school) and Utah wants him to just focus on normal center stuff.


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[Ayt]

The treadmill move is keeping Caruso, not moving him for a player who's still 21. I assume this is the first of multiple moves to them, but it signals they realize they're a treadmill team and are at least soft-resetting.

They are way too stupid to properly rebuild.