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[JujitsuFlip]

The off season has officially begun. Giddey to the Bulls for Caruso.

I'll admit I am jealous the Thunder were able to jump on this trade without giving up too much. Caruso would be the perfect back-up PG on any team

Bro, same. Idk what we coulda given but woulda been a steal.

[JonFromVA]

The off season has officially begun. Giddey to the Bulls for Caruso.

I'll admit I am jealous the Thunder were able to jump on this trade without giving up too much. Caruso would be the perfect back-up PG on any team

Not too much?

Giddey isn't even 22. He's a 6'8" PG.

Maybe there's more to the story and maybe what he did doesn't fly in the OKC market, but Caruso is 30 and only slightly more healthy than Lonzo Ball.

[ijspeelman]

The off season has officially begun. Giddey to the Bulls for Caruso.

I'll admit I am jealous the Thunder were able to jump on this trade without giving up too much. Caruso would be the perfect back-up PG on any team

Not too much?

Giddey isn't even 22. He's a 6'8" PG.

Maybe there's more to the story and maybe what he did doesn't fly in the OKC market, but Caruso is 30 and only slightly more healthy than Lonzo Ball.

Giddey has room to grow, but from an outside POV he seems to be very limited in today's NBA. At 6'8, he can bully smaller guards and has great passing for his height, however his inability to space the floor or generate shots for himself won't help him generate easier looks for himself or his teammates. Bulls also have to decide what to pay him in a year and that is a fairly tall task bc some people think he is "all-star level" talent so he may be paid as such, but has a huge range of outcomes below that point where he will be extremely overpaid.

[JonFromVA]

I'll admit I am jealous the Thunder were able to jump on this trade without giving up too much. Caruso would be the perfect back-up PG on any team

Not too much?

Giddey isn't even 22. He's a 6'8" PG.

Maybe there's more to the story and maybe what he did doesn't fly in the OKC market, but Caruso is 30 and only slightly more healthy than Lonzo Ball.

Giddey has room to grow, but from an outside POV he seems to be very limited in today's NBA. At 6'8, he can bully smaller guards and has great passing for his height, however his inability to space the floor or generate shots for himself won't help him generate easier looks for himself or his teammates. Bulls also have to decide what to pay him in a year and that is a fairly tall task bc some people think he is "all-star level" talent so he may be paid as such, but has a huge range of outcomes below that point where he will be extremely overpaid.

Caruso is good and will help them when healthy, but he's only under contract for next season and he won't be restricted. At his age and given how little he's made in his career, he'll be looking for a big/long deal himself.

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like a T&T proposal for us to trade Garland or Mitchell for a collection of loose change.

But admittedly that's a very superficial view of OKC's situation who one way or another are going to bleed talent in coming years especially if their owner continues to pinch pennies.

[jbk1234]

Still no leaks about the Pelicans and Murphy agreeing to an extension.

[toooskies]

Still no leaks about the Pelicans and Murphy agreeing to an extension.

Murphy's agent is going to push for a LOT of money and the Pelicans should be reluctant to pay a ton for a guy who hasn't hit 20% usage yet, even if they're going to gift him a starting job and move their star to make room for him.

[JonFromVA]

Still no leaks about the Pelicans and Murphy agreeing to an extension.

Murphy's agent is going to push for a LOT of money and the Pelicans should be reluctant to pay a ton for a guy who hasn't hit 20% usage yet, even if they're going to gift him a starting job and move their star to make room for him.

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

[jbk1234]

Still no leaks about the Pelicans and Murphy agreeing to an extension.

Murphy's agent is going to push for a LOT of money and the Pelicans should be reluctant to pay a ton for a guy who hasn't hit 20% usage yet, even if they're going to gift him a starting job and move their star to make room for him.

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

[toooskies]

Murphy's agent is going to push for a LOT of money and the Pelicans should be reluctant to pay a ton for a guy who hasn't hit 20% usage yet, even if they're going to gift him a starting job and move their star to make room for him.

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

I didn't mean that the Pelicans and Murphy wouldn't eventually come to a number. I'm just saying the number isn't a max, and so there's a lot of negotiation to be done, particularly while Ingram is still on the roster in Murphy's spot. A deal doesn't need to be done until RFA next year.

Murphy also can't really agree to a team-friendly deal while Ingram's still on the roster and starting in front of him-- he would only agree to a deal now if the money was so good that the team has no choice but to push Ingram out.

[jbk1234]

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

I didn't mean that the Pelicans and Murphy wouldn't eventually come to a number. I'm just saying the number isn't a max, and so there's a lot of negotiation to be done, particularly while Ingram is still on the roster in Murphy's spot. A deal doesn't need to be done until RFA next year.

Murphy also can't really agree to a team-friendly deal while Ingram's still on the roster and starting in front of him-- he would only agree to a deal now if the money was so good that the team has no choice but to push Ingram out.

It may get to the point with Ingram wanting max money that he craters his trade market and the Pels have to decide whether they want to give it to him and get good value from a Murphy trade instead (while getting CJ's money off the books). This, by the way, is why I'm fine with the Cavs taking their time.

I also don't see the Spurs position of Vassell being *untouchable* as being sustainable if there really is some urgency as far as them getting better. I'm sure Klutch is thinking the same thing which is why they're pushing so hard to get Dillingham to them.

[toooskies]

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

I didn't mean that the Pelicans and Murphy wouldn't eventually come to a number. I'm just saying the number isn't a max, and so there's a lot of negotiation to be done, particularly while Ingram is still on the roster in Murphy's spot. A deal doesn't need to be done until RFA next year.

Murphy also can't really agree to a team-friendly deal while Ingram's still on the roster and starting in front of him-- he would only agree to a deal now if the money was so good that the team has no choice but to push Ingram out.

It may get to the point with Ingram wanting max money that he craters his trade market and the Pels have to decide whether they want to give it to him and get good value from a Murphy trade instead (while getting CJ's money off the books). This, by the way, is why I'm fine with the Cavs taking their time.

I also don't see the Spurs position of Vassell being *untouchable* as being sustainable if there really is some urgency as far as them getting better. I'm sure Klutch is thinking the same thing which is why they're pushing so hard to get Dillingham to them.

I doubt there is so much urgency for the Spurs that they'd trade their second best player when they have so many assets. I see them trading with Atlanta for Murray or Trae with picks before trading Vassell for Garland.

[jbk1234]

I didn't mean that the Pelicans and Murphy wouldn't eventually come to a number. I'm just saying the number isn't a max, and so there's a lot of negotiation to be done, particularly while Ingram is still on the roster in Murphy's spot. A deal doesn't need to be done until RFA next year.

Murphy also can't really agree to a team-friendly deal while Ingram's still on the roster and starting in front of him-- he would only agree to a deal now if the money was so good that the team has no choice but to push Ingram out.

It may get to the point with Ingram wanting max money that he craters his trade market and the Pels have to decide whether they want to give it to him and get good value from a Murphy trade instead (while getting CJ's money off the books). This, by the way, is why I'm fine with the Cavs taking their time.

I also don't see the Spurs position of Vassell being *untouchable* as being sustainable if there really is some urgency as far as them getting better. I'm sure Klutch is thinking the same thing which is why they're pushing so hard to get Dillingham to them.

I doubt there is so much urgency for the Spurs that they'd trade their second best player when they have so many assets. I see them trading with Atlanta for Murray or Trae with picks before trading Vassell for Garland.

The only picks the Hawks are going to accept for Murray (who the Spurs are, at best, luke warm on) or Trae (who the Hawks sound like they're not trading) are their own. Also, this assumes that another team doesn't beat the Spurs to the punch on Murray.

The Rockets are really trying to upgrade. The Magic want a PG. I don't believe the Nets are going to bottom out and watch another team build a Championship team with their picks. The Jazz want to get respectable enough that Lauri will renegotiate and extend with them. All those teams have picks to trade and none of the trade partners are terribly interested in picks.

Vassell was the second best player on a 22-win team and it's a lot easier to find a catch-and-shoot, 3-and-okay-D guy in the draft than it will be to find another Garland - who Pop wants. Garland is an ideal pairing with Wemby and he knows it. Either they draft Dillingham and take the longer approach, or they start putting some real talent on the court with Wemby now.

[jbk1234]

Eubanks declined his P.O. ($2.6M) with the Suns.

[toooskies]

It may get to the point with Ingram wanting max money that he craters his trade market and the Pels have to decide whether they want to give it to him and get good value from a Murphy trade instead (while getting CJ's money off the books). This, by the way, is why I'm fine with the Cavs taking their time.

I also don't see the Spurs position of Vassell being *untouchable* as being sustainable if there really is some urgency as far as them getting better. I'm sure Klutch is thinking the same thing which is why they're pushing so hard to get Dillingham to them.

I doubt there is so much urgency for the Spurs that they'd trade their second best player when they have so many assets. I see them trading with Atlanta for Murray or Trae with picks before trading Vassell for Garland.

The only picks the Hawks are going to accept for Murray (who the Spurs are, at best, luke warm on) or Trae (who the Hawks sound like they're not trading) are their own. Also, this assumes that another team doesn't beat the Spurs to the punch on Murray.

The Rockets are really trying to upgrade. The Magic want a PG. I don't believe the Nets are going to bottom out and watch another team build a Championship team with their picks. The Jazz want to get respectable enough that Lauri will renegotiate and extend with them. All those teams have picks to trade and none of the trade partners are terribly interested in picks.

Vassell was the second best player on a 22-win team and it's a lot easier to find a catch-and-shoot, 3-and-okay-D guy in the draft than it will be to find another Garland - who Pop wants. Garland is an ideal pairing with Wemby and he knows it. Either they draft Dillingham and take the longer approach, or they start putting some real talent on the court with Wemby now.

PGs are the most available resource in the league, particularly if you get to handwave their defense when Wemby is behind them. Particularly in this draft where you've got ample selection from Dillingham to Sheppard to Topic to Castle to Carter to Collier all the way into 2nd rounders like Kolek and Nunez.

[jbk1234]

I doubt there is so much urgency for the Spurs that they'd trade their second best player when they have so many assets. I see them trading with Atlanta for Murray or Trae with picks before trading Vassell for Garland.

The only picks the Hawks are going to accept for Murray (who the Spurs are, at best, luke warm on) or Trae (who the Hawks sound like they're not trading) are their own. Also, this assumes that another team doesn't beat the Spurs to the punch on Murray.

The Rockets are really trying to upgrade. The Magic want a PG. I don't believe the Nets are going to bottom out and watch another team build a Championship team with their picks. The Jazz want to get respectable enough that Lauri will renegotiate and extend with them. All those teams have picks to trade and none of the trade partners are terribly interested in picks.

Vassell was the second best player on a 22-win team and it's a lot easier to find a catch-and-shoot, 3-and-okay-D guy in the draft than it will be to find another Garland - who Pop wants. Garland is an ideal pairing with Wemby and he knows it. Either they draft Dillingham and take the longer approach, or they start putting some real talent on the court with Wemby now.

PGs are the most available resource in the league, particularly if you get to handwave their defense when Wemby is behind them. Particularly in this draft where you've got ample selection from Dillingham to Sheppard to Topic to Castle to Carter to Collier all the way into 2nd rounders like Kolek and Nunez.

Good PGs aren't the most available resource in the NBA. I don't see the Hawks trading both Murray (who's more of a combo guard) and Trae. Caruso is off the board already. Ty Jones is a good backup, but looks decidedly meh as a starter. DLo and Dinwiddie are available. Are those guys you want Wemby developing alongside of?

There are serious question marks with all those guys (even calling a couple of them PGs seems generous) from this draft, and if the Spurs don't select Dillingham at 8, he could fall all the way out of the lottery.

[JujitsuFlip]

Eubanks declined his P.O. ($2.6M) with the Suns.

[JonFromVA]

Murphy's agent is going to push for a LOT of money and the Pelicans should be reluctant to pay a ton for a guy who hasn't hit 20% usage yet, even if they're going to gift him a starting job and move their star to make room for him.

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

What do you think of the less sexy option ... Herb Jones? We might pry him loose if we don't care to max Ingram.

[jbk1234]

It's just how it goes these days, any tall athletic wing that can shoot and defend is going to get wildly overpaid and at least given the chance to show whether they can expand their game and be a #1 or #2.

If the Pelicans don't do it, Murphy's agent is going to beg them to trade him to a team willing to take the chance.

Altman should volunteer as tribute. CJ and Murphy for Garland is a trade I would make. Allen for Murphy and filler is a trade I would make.

What do you think of the less sexy option ... Herb Jones? We might pry him loose if we don't care to max Ingram.

I'm less impressed, but if feel we must trade Allen, okay. On Garland, I'd be a hard pass.

[jbk1234]

Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

[JujitsuFlip]

Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

I think it really depends if they stay at 20 or move up, heck or move back.

If Mitchell extends or not, i think Cavs can probably go BPA. If ya get a good big, he can come into his own behind the slim towers. If ya get a big wing he probably pushes for a starting spot. If ya get a guard, maybe Cavs finally shore up the backup PG.

With no head coach in place and no Mitchell extension in place, it really makes it tough.