Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[Matches Malone]

Windy likely got word of a blockbuster deal construct from some other team that involved Middleton (and probably more). Whether that actually turns into something is always a long shot. But this is how Windy works. He won’t name specifics otherwise he loses his sources. He just drops a hint of a change.

If Horst were talking blockbuster scenarios he’d be as quiet as can be too.

I just had the worst thought. Imagine if Horst trades Middleton only for Midds to get re-routed to another East rival like Philly and they win the title. Nightmare fuel.

[Badgerlander]

Brook is being shopped. Stewart is being shopped.

3 teamer where a team wants the best player, and gets lopez.

Give all those assets to Detroit.

Send Stewart and Grimes to the bucks.

I don’t think Beef Stew is valuable at all on his current contract.

A 23 year old on a 4 year deal just north of the Mid level exception with a team option on the final year seems like a good deal. Even if he doesn't improve he is still a top 8 type player on a playoff team

So an 8th man being the 4th highest paid guy on the team sounds like good value to you?

[Daver]

Man. people just latch on to anything when it comes to Midds haha. I don't think Doc is the one who convinces Giannis/the organisation that Midds is the one to go. The core pieces to me read as Brook, Bobby and probably Pat.

Absolutely midds idnt going anywhere they wanna see what a ofc season / TC of the big 3 can do.whrn they played their were #1 in all of basketball

[Baddy Chuck]

I'd be a buyer on Stewart. Think he has shown a lot of 16 game playoff starting center traits while playing in an absolute dumpster fire as a super young prospect improving parts of his game every year. Personally think even with marginal improvements of simply playing next to our core instead of Jaden Ivey and Killian Hayes he'd be a guy who would play into his current contract and probably well exceed the value it would take to get him.

[yb90]

I don’t think Beef Stew is valuable at all on his current contract.

A 23 year old on a 4 year deal just north of the Mid level exception with a team option on the final year seems like a good deal. Even if he doesn't improve he is still a top 8 type player on a playoff team

So an 8th man being the 4th highest paid guy on the team sounds like good value to you?

Yes, because the cap will continue to increase while his salary stays the same for each year. It's similar to Pat Connaughton deal now and he is passed his prime. Stew is still developing and as of right now he is at least 1st big off the bench good. You are hoping his shooting continues to improve to Reid's or Bobby's level but his defense helps keep him on the floor regardless.

[RiotPunch]

I'd be a buyer on Stewart. Think he has shown a lot of 16 game playoff starting center traits while playing in an absolute dumpster fire as a super young prospect improving parts of his game every year. Personally think even with marginal improvements of simply playing next to our core instead of Jaden Ivey and Killian Hayes he'd be a guy who would play into his current contract and probably well exceed the value it would take to get him.

Yup. Stewart is a diamond in the rough. Obviously he's a bit of a headcase like Bobby, but he's strong as hell, can switch, and you can't teach a 7'5" wingspan & 9' standing reach. The jumper is promising and can protect the rim pretty well. Saves Giannis from banging with the brutes in the post defensively.

[Badgerlander]

2nd apron really sucks for trades

[drone3]

Much prefer Beef stew over WCJ

[BroncoBuck]

A 23 year old on a 4 year deal just north of the Mid level exception with a team option on the final year seems like a good deal. Even if he doesn't improve he is still a top 8 type player on a playoff team

So an 8th man being the 4th highest paid guy on the team sounds like good value to you?

Yes, because the cap will continue to increase while his salary stays the same for each year. It's similar to Pat Connaughton deal now and he is passed his prime. Stew is still developing and as of right now he is at least 1st big off the bench good. You are hoping his shooting continues to improve to Reid's or Bobby's level but his defense helps keep him on the floor regardless.

He’s 23, but are we sure he’s still developing? I’m not confident he is. I think he is who he is and that’s a fine role player that is being paid like a starter. He reminds me of a slightly worse Markieff Morris. The new cap rules make it really tough to pay your role players 15 million a year.

[paulpressey25]

Since we’re allowed to talk about Midds trades again for a day, will again go back to Keegan Murray. Kings may be ripe for a fleece.

Midds/Pat for Murray, Huerter, Barnes and #13.

[paulpressey25]

2nd apron really sucks for trades

Wouldn’t we be able to deal MarJon into some team with cap space for a top 55 protected pick? Have to think someone under the cap would take the flyer. That solves all of this.

[SirChurros]

I'd be a buyer on Stewart. Think he has shown a lot of 16 game playoff starting center traits while playing in an absolute dumpster fire as a super young prospect improving parts of his game every year. Personally think even with marginal improvements of simply playing next to our core instead of Jaden Ivey and Killian Hayes he'd be a guy who would play into his current contract and probably well exceed the value it would take to get him.

Agreed. Stewart would fit in nicely here.

[Baddy Chuck]

He’s 23, but are we sure he’s still developing? I’m not confident he is. I think he is who he is and that’s a fine role player that is being paid like a starter. He reminds me of a slightly worse Markieff Morris. The new cap rules make it really tough to pay your role players 15 million a year.

Markieff Morris? Huh?

And I mean I guess you could look at development whatever way you want but a guy who came into the league as a complete non shooter having a season of 38% from behind the arc (on decent sample), improving his free throw shooting every season, reducing his foul rate substantially all while adapting rather successfully to a new role next to other bigs which he basically never did before to me would lead me to believe he's done a fair bit of development recently. If you think the development stops there or don't value what he's shown in recent seasons, I guess that's you're prerogative.

[Profound23]

Thinking AJ Green and Goga Bitadze can be starters on an NBA Finals team is a hard pass for me. You can't just turn Brook into a draft pick and a couple 10-15 minute fringe regular season rotation dudes. Again, you need a sure-fire starter or top-end rotation player coming back here (Dort, Terance Mann, Bruce Brown, etc.) if you're moving Brook. He's too valuable otherwise.

Call me crazy but I really do think AJ Green can start for a finals team.

But we'll never know if we don't give him a steady run of minutes and let him work through any growing pains.

Your overall point is correct though, we can't be trading Brook for fringe rotation guys. He still has a ton of regular season value protecting the paint, and besides possible matchups with Boston, Indiana, and maybe OKC he can still get 25-30 minutes in the playoffs.

Last year I would've said you're crazy. I've seen enough progression from him in the regular season that I can see it. He sucked in the playoffs but I will give him a pass. I also expect a lot out of Andre Jackson.

[Profound23]

Windy likely got word of a blockbuster deal construct from some other team that involved Middleton (and probably more). Whether that actually turns into something is always a long shot. But this is how Windy works. He won’t name specifics otherwise he loses his sources. He just drops a hint of a change.

If Horst were talking blockbuster scenarios he’d be as quiet as can be too.

I just had the worst thought. Imagine if Horst trades Middleton only for Midds to get re-routed to another East rival like Philly and they win the title. Nightmare fuel.

I had the same thought.

Middleton and Lopez for Paul George and filler is a bad move. Clippers have no need for Middleton but he fits in with the 76ers. Knicks could use a Lopez type if they lose Hartestein. I could see either player being rerouted back to one of the top Eastern teams and winning it all. Even if that doesn't happen, I'm not making that trade. We need youth and athleticism, not to get older.

Now I would make that trade for KD, but that's not happening.

[bdpecore]

Yahoo sports report the Bucks could be looking to shake up some core pieces. Time to get uncomfortable, boys and girls.

One step ahead of you (my chiropractor dropped my insurance)

Think by core pieces they mean lopez he is considered a core piece

I’d also consider Bobby a core piece even if he’s considered the most expendable one of the group.

[MKE_Beers]

With the news about Stewart I think a tweak to my last trade makes sense

MKE: Wiggins, Williams, Stewart
OKC: Brook, #33
DET: Pat, #12 (or another frp from OKC)

We get our C for the future, a backup 3/4 play his butt off guy, and a SG to compete for minutes/starting spot. Add another pg/retain Patbev, make pick 23, and call it an offseason
Det gets a solid pick and championship vet they can use a good locker room guy/possible trade chip
OKC gets their win now C, solve their Isiah Joe/Wiggins issue, Williams was getting berried on the bench last season so they can feel fine giving him up, and a high 2nd rounder they can use in another trade

[machu46]

Since we’re allowed to talk about Midds trades again for a day, will again go back to Keegan Murray. Kings may be ripe for a fleece.

Midds/Pat for Murray, Huerter, Barnes and #13.

I just don't see us trading him still, but even so, I think Sacramento goes in a different direction. Just don't see them giving up Murray. They can probably get a depressed "asset" like Zach Lavine for a Barnes/Huerter package and keep Murray.

[PG Graveyard]

Mids for Stew/Ivey. Who says no? I still like Ivey but maybe I’m crazy.

Turn around and trade Brook for Dort. Frees up a bunch of money and we get a lot younger around Dame/Giannis.

[Plossum]

If we trading Midds for **** PG13 I’ll have to take a hiatus. Midds is way better than that bed wetter.