Monk signing and Kings Tax situation - impact for Trent

[torsport]

Surprised I didn't see this here.

Monk signed for 4 years 78 million starting at 17.4 million (I think that's slightly less than Gary's current salary).

If Monk sets the market, Gary should get less non? And if so does this make him more appealing to re-sign?

This also puts Sacto over the luxury tax with another open roster spot, which I wonder if they would trade their pick, trade down, or do something else to get under the tax. They're not that far over, as the article suggests Sasha Vezenkov would do it, or maybe a combo of Davion/Duarte.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reported-monk-contract-changes-kings-175756273.html

[WuTang_CMB]

Surprised I didn't see this here.

Monk signed for 4 years 78 million starting at 17.4 million (I think that's slightly less than Gary's current salary).

If Monk sets the market, Gary should get less non? And if so does this make him more appealing to re-sign?

This also puts Sacto over the luxury tax with another open roster spot, which I wonder if they would trade their pick, trade down, or do something else to get under the tax. They're not that far over, as the article suggests Sasha Vezenkov would do it, or maybe a combo of Davion/Duarte.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reported-monk-contract-changes-kings-175756273.html

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[canada_dry]

Yea i think he sets the market, and not very high.

If we can resign trent to 15 per, with no damn player option... why not?

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[elecblue]

Yea i think he sets the market, and ot very high.

If we can resign trent to 15 per, with no damn player option... why not?

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The case for not bringing Trent back is that the 15M goes directly to our cap space, and maybe there could be better ways to use that 15M. For example, absorb a bad contract and pick up some draft assets. Personally, I would rather give Trent's minutes to Gradey anyway.

[nivisi9]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

[RoteSchroder]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

[Indeed]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

Not seeing him able to playmake, neither a fit to the passing heavy system that will be using.

[Kurtz]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

But he's not even a good shooter, nor is he consistent at all.

I think we've seen enough of GTJ to where we can confidently say he doesn't have much upside worth waiting on. Might as well give his shots to guys who have a few extra dimensions and more unexplored upside, especially now that we're officially rebuilding.

[Scase]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

I think a lot of people still have trauma issues from losing FVV for nothing lol. I'm fine with him walking, but a S&T would be ideal, albeit unlikely af.

[bluerap23]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

But he's not even a good shooter, nor is he consistent at all.

I think we've seen enough of GTJ to where we can confidently say he doesn't have much upside worth waiting on. Might as well give his shots to guys who have a few extra dimensions and more unexplored upside, especially now that we're officially rebuilding.

Shot 39.3 on 3s last year. He is our most reliable 3pt shooter. On a team with very little shooting his loss will be felt.

[RoteSchroder]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

But he's not even a good shooter, nor is he consistent at all.

I think we've seen enough of GTJ to where we can confidently say he doesn't have much upside worth waiting on. Might as well give his shots to guys who have a few extra dimensions and more unexplored upside, especially now that we're officially rebuilding.

From what I remember, his shooting off the bounce and off of screens isn't that great. But he's good at catch and shoot 3's. Overall, he's around a top 35-40 three point shooter in the NBA and 2.5 3's on 40% isn't all that easy to replace. Here are a few points:

1)
Team will still be going for wins next year, but possibly decide to tank if play-in hopes look futile at the deadline. So for the first half of the season, if GTJr's not on the team and barring we draft an NBA-ready wing, his minutes will mostly be replaced by Ochai, who isn't even a core asset and doesn't project to be a championship piece.

If he is on the team and we want to tank at the deadline and we really don't want him, we can always trade him to a contender that needs shooting.

2)
Having a three point threat out there that can space the floor and draw attention on the perimeter would likely be good for the development of other players. I don't want to see defenders constantly sagging off Ochai and leaving Scottie no room to develop his game in the mid-range/paint.

3)
I'm not a huge fan of GTJr's inability to pass/dribble/slash either, but he can be used more so as a finisher in the offense when the ball-movement ends up with him being open. Having a good (perimeter) finisher can be a good thing.

4)
Asset retainment is good management, unless the contract is big and long, which kills flexibility.

[Kurtz]

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

But he's not even a good shooter, nor is he consistent at all.

I think we've seen enough of GTJ to where we can confidently say he doesn't have much upside worth waiting on. Might as well give his shots to guys who have a few extra dimensions and more unexplored upside, especially now that we're officially rebuilding.

Shot 39.3 on 3s last year. He is our most reliable 3pt shooter. On a team with very little shooting his loss will be felt.

And what did he shoot from the 2, last year and for his career?

We're rebuilding, not looking for a specialist 8th man here.

[Kurtz]

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

But he's not even a good shooter, nor is he consistent at all.

I think we've seen enough of GTJ to where we can confidently say he doesn't have much upside worth waiting on. Might as well give his shots to guys who have a few extra dimensions and more unexplored upside, especially now that we're officially rebuilding.

From what I remember, his shooting off the bounce and off of screens isn't that great. But he's good at catch and shoot 3's. Overall, he's around a top 35-40 three point shooter in the NBA and 2.5 3's on 40% isn't all that easy to replace. Here are a few points:

1)
Team will still be going for wins next year, but possibly decide to tank if play-in hopes look futile at the deadline. So for the first half of the season, if GTJr's not on the team and barring we draft an NBA-ready wing, his minutes will mostly be replaced by Ochai, who isn't even a core asset and doesn't project to be a championship piece.

If he is on the team and we want to tank at the deadline and we really don't want him, we can always trade him to a contender that needs shooting.

2)
Having a three point threat out there that can space the floor and draw attention on the perimeter would likely be good for the development of other players. I don't want to see defenders constantly sagging off Ochai and leaving Scottie no room to develop his game in the mid-range/paint.

3)
I'm not a huge fan of GTJr's inability to pass/dribble/slash either, but he can be used more so as a finisher in the offense when the ball-movement ends up with him being open. Having a good (perimeter) finisher can be a good thing.

4)
Asset retainment is good management, unless the contract is big and long, which kills flexibility.

I would hope that between our draft picks and free agency, we can bring in a couple of other guys with more upside who we could give pt to in his stead. I'd hate for it to be another Dick situation where we don't play the guy for half the year because we're making a half-assed effort to be a playoff team and playing vets as a result.

It wouldn't be a disaster to bring him back, but if we're rebuilding, let's rebuild.

[Indeed]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

I think a lot of people still have trauma issues from losing FVV for nothing lol. I'm fine with him walking, but a S&T would be ideal, albeit unlikely af.

I think I still have trauma issues from doing the S&T of Lowry in getting Dragic and Achiuwa then trade down for Young in avoiding the tax, but that is the only way for him to get over the MLE through our birds.

[BlackThought]

I would lowball offer him or just let GTJ walk. You're not going to get more than a 2nd rounder for him if he's on a fair value contract so theres no point signing him unless you want him on the team long term(I don't want him long term). I wouldn't even sign him to a short term cheap contract for him to "prove himself" since with GTJ's basketball intelligence that just means chucking every ball he gets his hand on.

The only way GTJ stays is something like 40 mil over 4 years or some really cheap contract. At such a bargain his value increases to maybe a late first which then makes sense for us to go through the trouble.

[Scase]

I would lowball offer him or just let GTJ walk. You're not going to get more than a 2nd rounder for him if he's on a fair value contract so theres no point signing him unless you want him on the team long term(I don't want him long term). I wouldn't even sign him to a short term cheap contract for him to "prove himself" since with GTJ's basketball intelligence that just means chucking every ball he gets his hand on.

The only way GTJ stays is something like 40 mil over 4 years or some really cheap contract. At such a bargain his value increases to maybe a late first which then makes sense for us to go through the trouble.

Hasnt he had like 2 "prove it" contracts by now?

[BlackThought]

I would lowball offer him or just let GTJ walk. You're not going to get more than a 2nd rounder for him if he's on a fair value contract so theres no point signing him unless you want him on the team long term(I don't want him long term). I wouldn't even sign him to a short term cheap contract for him to "prove himself" since with GTJ's basketball intelligence that just means chucking every ball he gets his hand on.

The only way GTJ stays is something like 40 mil over 4 years or some really cheap contract. At such a bargain his value increases to maybe a late first which then makes sense for us to go through the trouble.

Hasnt he had like 2 "prove it" contracts by now?

At some point these "prove it" contracts turn into replacement level players that aren't worth long term deals. Not sure if GTJ is at that stage yet though.

[MoMan24]

Yea i think he sets the market, and not very high.

If we can resign trent to 15 per, with no damn player option... why not?

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Gary is not worth 15 million a year. Monk who is a much better ball handler, playmaker, attacking off the dribble, attacking the basket, finishing at the basket, transition player is at around 17 million for 4 years. Grayson Allen is much better defender, better playmaker, better at attacking closeouts and a more consistent shooter. He is also making around 17 million around 4 years. Gary to me is worth 8-9 million a year over 3 years. He has zero versatility. He can't play multiple positions or defend multiple positions really. He can't handle the ball, he can't play-make, he sucks at the rim, he is low IQ, he is not good enough to be a starter and is extremely inconsistent off the bench. His skillset is not worth much in todays NBA and is easily replaceable. Allen and Monk are so much better than Gary and there is a reason those teams prioritized them, while Gary is a struggle to even trade.

[BlackThought]

Yea i think he sets the market, and not very high.

If we can resign trent to 15 per, with no damn player option... why not?

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Gary is not worth 15 million a year. Monk who is a much better ball handler, playmaker, attacking off the dribble, attacking the basket, finishing at the basket, transition player is at around 17 million for 4 years. Grayson Allen is much better defender, better playmaker, better at attacking closeouts and a more consistent shooter. He is also making around 17 million around 4 years. Gary to me is worth 8-9 million a year over 3 years. He has zero versatility. He can't play multiple positions or defend multiple positions really. He can't handle the ball, he can't play-make, he sucks at the rim, he is low IQ, he is not good enough to be a starter and is extremely inconsistent off the bench. His skillset is not worth much in todays NBA and is easily replaceable. Allen and Monk are so much better than Gary and there is a reason those teams prioritized them, while Gary is a struggle to even trade.

don't see GTJ doing this any time soon

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[Rapsfan07]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

I don't think so. Not in this case, at least.

We have IQ due for a huge raise and Barnes for the max shortly thereafter. By the time we fill out the roster, resigning Trent probably takes us into the tax.