Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[kodo]

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A pretty fair and balanced discussion about the trade.

Apparently, according to one of the hosts, Josh is excited about the trade and fit with the Bulls.

Yeah interesting: talking to people around the league Alex Caruso THIS offseason was worth a "non-lottery 1st round pick and like a 2nd round pick or two."

Bulls hurt his trade value holding on to him until he had only 1 playoffs left. Anyone trading for him has to deal with him walking with no control, you only get 1 playoff run, he turns 30. He was worth multiple picks last season...and maybe even up to deadline. Multiple reliable media people have said the same things now.

[MrTribbiani]

Finally someone with common sense...

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TheFlightMike sucks.

Whenever a player gets accused of inappropriate/criminal behavior, he almost always implies that they are automatically guilty.

[MrTribbiani]

I'm surprised he only missed 11 games, frankly.
also surprised about the general reaction to this trade. Caruso is a good player but super overrated. Giddey is more complete and younger and still has some potential for star power...and if not, he might be re-signed for a similar contract as Caruso. seems like a pretty good move to me but I'm still not over the fact that this guy is a slimeball. either he's a pedophile or he got "tricked" into being a pedophile. I don't know about you guys, but I've never accidentally had sex with a minor.

A 19 year old having sex with a 17 year old is not pedophilia. Stop using words you clearly don’t understand.

Well, you know, 15 actually and the charges were dropped because the child didn't want to talk to police and they didn't have other evidence aside from her testimony. Once again, I myself have never been in a position to have sex with a high school sophomore. Have you? Probably not. So either he's a child rapist or he's too stupid to make sure he's not **** children. Neither one looks particularly good. Check out what Wander Franco was getting up to in the MLB, that could be Giddey -- or it could be that he's a drunken party animal that will **** anything that moves without having the wherewithal to make sure the other party is legally able to consent to sex.

pretty good ball player though. I just think it's interesting that Reinsdorf apparently always had this "high character guy" policy and then suddenly over the course of a few months, they sign an "alleged" child abuser to the Sox and another one to the Bulls.

No one has presented any credible evidence that Giddey committed a crime.

[tunit213]

And here people are mad we traded a 30 year old Caruso for this guy, smh

https://youtu.be/X_y615Dtuig?si=uv_G7RboZH7VxJBI

[The Box Office]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

[Indomitable]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

He has 10 of them. Therefore, he has at least 9 more.

[Muzbar]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

https://youtu.be/S0DC-nF21_I?si=tFFvzbJ4axyVerWl

https://youtu.be/M9esnBbZDBQ?si=U6QR-j9wJdGG-iiN

Does 2 months ago count as lately?

[LateNight]

Since I was being negative, here’s the positive take on this:

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[jordanwilliams6]

I’ve relaxed about this trade in recent days.

If Giddey was put into the 2024 NBA draft as is as a 21 year old, where does he go? There’s a good argument that he’d be picked in the top 5. Incredibly, he’s 5 months younger than Chet.

He just needs to increase that 3 point shot to a level that players won’t sag off him in the paint. I can easily see a 22/8/8 guy in the long term. The only issue is that he’s not a flexible player in that a roster construction has to be made with his strengths and weaknesses in mind.

[VolumePoster]

Honestly he's a good pick up. Great if he develops a shot. But ultimately the question is whether there is a larger plan. Run it back sans Caruso? Rebuild around a Giddey-Coby backcourt? The latter is more appealing only because the former sounds so on-brand, dull, and doomed. Which, to think of it, might be the Bulls' new PR slogan.

Still, excited to see what he can do.

[Michael Jackson]

How many times will Stacey say "Giddey up!" this season?

You just ruined my night

He might even throw in a "From down unda!" in an Aussie accent on the rare occasion Giddey hits a 3.

In fact, I know he will.

I know all of this is right but for the love of god let me enjoy my summer and not have to think about it. King could throw in a from down unda (under his breath) age

[Clint Eastwood]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

https://youtu.be/S0DC-nF21_I?si=tFFvzbJ4axyVerWl

https://youtu.be/M9esnBbZDBQ?si=U6QR-j9wJdGG-iiN

Does 2 months ago count as lately?

I’m the biggest proponent of this trade. Look in prior threads, and I suggested this trade as perfect for both teams months ago. I just watched the two triple double links you posted. I have serious concerns that Giddey’s best passing skill to get three point shooters open may be wasted this year on this roster. We have Coby, Ayo, Pat Wil if resigned. No one else on the team to hit threes that he can get for them. We need more quick release three point shooters, really only Coby qualifies (and is why Giddey is a good fit with him.)

It’s also a reason that maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to dump Zach, he's a good fit with Giddey if he is willing to not be handling the ball too often. If trading Zach gets us pieces that are good shooters, plus extra draft capital and breaking up his big contract, then it is ok with me I suppose. Something like Huerter and Sacramento’s first. And Huerter could be a good bench shooter for us.

I also think its important that Giddey plays the point and Coby at the 2 because a lot of the benefit of Giddey is his size and if you have the smallest player on the court be the 6’5’’ strong Coby, then Giddey is going to have mismatches inside to rebound and finish inside.

Makes me think we need to absolutely draft more shooting, and im talking about quick deadly shooting. Makes Knect a good fit, but of course the problem is we need size and defense and shot blocking in the front court too. So bottom line is, we have a few years of roster building to do before we really can judge Giddey’s value imo.

[Charlesareed]

I’m kinda likening the Coby Josh back court with ayo filling the caurso role off the bench I can see ddr & paw being resigned hopefully not that bad of a overpay for both and bring back Drummond trade Zach for role players & what ever picks you can get I’d love them to package Zach & Javon Carter maybe Dalen terry aswell idk what is to Lanzo ball dead contract is he even tradable ??? See how the team dies up until the trade deadline if they not top 6 seed trade ddr & vuc for what you can get a rebuild off what players you have left

[WindyCityBorn]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

Getting moved off ball and and having reputation destroyed probably contributed a lot to his downturn in performance. I think a fresh start will be great for him. Hopefully Chicago fans don’t bring this pedo crap up and he can move on.

[tunit213]

You linked a triple double he got from 2 years ago. What has he done lately?

Youngest triple double in NBA history and 11 total making him having the most triple doubles under the age of 21 since Magic Johnson and Luka. Wake up man. Dude has crazy talent.

[nitetrain8603]

In terms of player value, Giddey, IMO, is as good as we could hope for for Caruso (assuming Caruso wasn't attached with another asset). My only issue and it's a big concern, is that they couldn't get at least one pick out of the OKC Thunder, which they need. I get having a budget and a mandate to make the playoffs each year.

To do that, without getting top players, you need to load up on players like Giddey throughout your roster, and you need to stockpile picks to keep churning out players. So that way your roster is loaded up on depth which gives you a shot throughout the long season.

Giddey is a nice player and he's only 21. Allegations aside (I do think he's guilty, but I can't force the family of the girl to speak), he's a talented prospect. The Bulls, however, just need more than just one Josh Giddey.

[Infinity2152]

Let's say the Bulls don't re-sign Derozan and re-sign Pat Williams, keep Lavine. Is our three point shooting in the starting lineup not pretty good? Imagining a line-up without any pickups:

White 38% from three (24 years old) Above average
Lavine 38% career Above average
Giddey 34% last year (21 years old) Below average
Williams 41% career (22 years old) Above average
Vucevic 34% career (average/above average for position (Center)
sixth Man: Ayo 40% last year (24 years old) above average
Carter 38% above average
Craig 39% last two years above average

Exiting: Derozan 29% career, 33% last two years, Caruso 38% career, 4/7 seasons 36% or less

Just used last year for some younger players, expectation that they'll improve. Giddey's improved every year, so hopefully 36-37%, next year. League player average last year was 36.6%. Draft/sign a shooter, we should be an above average 3 pt team in terms of accuracy, need to increase volume, hopefully Giddey would help that. Kings were 15th ranked at 36.6, Nuggets 12th ranked at 36.9. Think we could match that. Considering Giddey's probably replacing Derozan in the starting lineup, we actually got better at three point shooting if Ayo's taking Caruso's minutes.

[Ben Wilson25]

Sigh ... at least we're getting back a high IQ player who has potential to be a solid starter in this league. The lack of picks is a let down though, especially when you know that offer was on the table.

We have no idea what offers were on the table.

But if Presti offered Giddey or the #12 pick (not both) which one would you choose?

I like Giddey but would have chosen #12 in a heartbeat, there's some very interesting players in this draft who'll be available at this spot.

Based on the consensus opinion of AK’s intelligence right now he probably turned down #12 because he couldn’t wrap his head around what he would do if the Bulls took the player he wanted at #11.

[Red8911]

In terms of player value, Giddey, IMO, is as good as we could hope for for Caruso (assuming Caruso wasn't attached with another asset). My only issue and it's a big concern, is that they couldn't get at least one pick out of the OKC Thunder, which they need. I get having a budget and a mandate to make the playoffs each year.

To do that, without getting top players, you need to load up on players like Giddey throughout your roster, and you need to stockpile picks to keep churning out players. So that way your roster is loaded up on depth which gives you a shot throughout the long season.

Giddey is a nice player and he's only 21. Allegations aside (I do think he's guilty, but I can't force the family of the girl to speak), he's a talented prospect. The Bulls, however, just need more than just one Josh Giddey.

No he’s not guilty and people that call him a pedo are ridiculous when it’s only a 3 year difference between them.

Other NBA players have done real crimes yet fans let it slide they don’t boo them. Even our own Derrick Rose was involved with some bad stuff yet Chicago still loves him.

[tunit213]

We have no idea what offers were on the table.

But if Presti offered Giddey or the #12 pick (not both) which one would you choose?

I like Giddey but would have chosen #12 in a heartbeat, there's some very interesting players in this draft who'll be available at this spot.

Based on the consensus opinion of AK’s intelligence right now he probably turned down #12 because he couldn’t wrap his head around what he would do if the Bulls took the player he wanted at #11.

You rather have the 12th pick in one of the worst drafts than a player already proven he can play at 21 years of age?