Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[the_process]

Not sure if you've guys have seen this, but Tobias' dad has probably infiltrated Brett Seigel, and he came out with a doozy of an article. Like what the absolute **** lol.

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Tobias' Dad must've paid for that article. There's no other explanation.

[M2J]

This is already the worst off season ever

[M2J]

But Paul George not coming makes it better

[AI_Efficiency]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better. Getting a good wing for their entire prime with Maxey and Embiid will keep this team relevant. If we get any of these 34 year olds, they could drop off a cliff at any time. Harden was an mvp candidate until he wasn’t. Klay Thompson was great until last year when he was getting cooked. Too much risk with these olds imo (Lebron being the exception, although can’t imagine he leaves LA).

[MVP1992]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better.

Tobias Harris peaked at 26

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tobias-harris-age-by-season

[AI_Efficiency]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better.

Tobias Harris peaked at 26

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tobias-harris-age-by-season

Yea, I’m not saying it’s a guarantee he gets better, but I rather bet on that than signing some of these older players and hoping they don’t get worse.

[MVP1992]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better.

Tobias Harris peaked at 26

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tobias-harris-age-by-season

Yea, I’m not saying it’s a guarantee he gets better, but I rather bet on that than signing some of these older players and hoping they don’t get worse.

Fair point. I'm not in favour of trading assets for, and or maxing $$$$$$ on old injury risks either.

I have low expectations this off-season. Hoping to be mildly surprised.

One thing that keeps me interested is that almost anyone other than goose egg Harris playing last season could have got us to the EC finals.

[Wilfried]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better.

Tobias Harris peaked at 26

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tobias-harris-age-by-season

Peak isn't the most points you scored. Tobias" regression is the past 2 seasons, when we really needed him as a stable 3rd option
Tobias scored 20 points as a #1 option in LA, but had pretty decent 2 first seasons in Philadephia, while he had to share the ball with Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harden (for some part), ...

But scoring 20 points per game as a number 1 option should have warned us a bit. Ingram scored around 23-25 points per game (and also has done it more than once), and on decent efficiëncy. He also had 1 very good play-off run as a #1 option.
It shows that he at least has the potential do be relied on in the play-offs. Tobias has never shown that in his career.

Ingram had a down season and was bad in the play-offs, but the fact he's an ending contract and still only 26 (and also has shown there's more in him) should be enough to validate the risk imo.

He also adds things the Sixers can use (length from 2-4 position), playmaking, iso-scoring, ...
His decline in 3-point shooting worries me a bit, but you can't have it all probably. Otherwise, you will have to pay more.

[Jhawk03]

It'll be nice to sink a ton of assets into a guy we could have had in 2016. Funny enough, he basically became what we wanted Ben to be, a point forward.

It's not my first choice, but he does fit well with Embiid and Maxey on offense and in terms of age. The rest of the team will have to be 3&D dogs who get rebounds because you're not really getting that kind of determination with Ingram.

I choose to quote this particular post because it fits what I'm about to say perfectly, even though it's a bit bold, but the thought of it is what's bothersome.

So Daryl Morey, works extensively to acquire maximum cap space right... in order to then TRADE for a player we could have drafted 8 years ago and have that player inherit the cap space Morey spent wasting a year of prime Embiid just to create?

If Ingram ends up being the big target Morey gets, after everything this franchise has had to put up with pre/post process whatever the hell... I'll sign off from the league as a "fan", tip my cap to Silver for punishing us for Hinke, and reduce the NBA to background noise for as long as I live. This is nothing against Ingram and how it would fit, but I won't spend anymore time giving a damn about not just the Sixers, but the NBA as a whole. No big time free agent will ever sign to this city/franchise/fanbase will be the excuse, but making idiots out of a city/fanbase for generations should never be rewarded.

[Negrodamus]

It'll be nice to sink a ton of assets into a guy we could have had in 2016. Funny enough, he basically became what we wanted Ben to be, a point forward.

It's not my first choice, but he does fit well with Embiid and Maxey on offense and in terms of age. The rest of the team will have to be 3&D dogs who get rebounds because you're not really getting that kind of determination with Ingram.

I choose to quote this particular post because it fits what I'm about to say perfectly, even though it's a bit bold, but the thought of it is what's bothersome.

So Daryl Morey, works extensively to acquire maximum cap space right... in order to then TRADE for a player we could have drafted 8 years ago and have that player inherit the cap space Morey spent wasting a year of prime Embiid just to create?

If Ingram ends up being the big target Morey gets, after everything this franchise has had to put up with pre/post process whatever the hell... I'll sign off from the league as a "fan", tip my cap to Silver for punishing us for Hinke, and reduce the NBA to background noise for as long as I live. This is nothing against Ingram and how it would fit, but I won't spend anymore time giving a damn about not just the Sixers, but the NBA as a whole. No big time free agent will ever sign to this city/franchise/fanbase will be the excuse, but making idiots out of a city/fanbase for generations should never be rewarded.

What if we traded for someone like Donovan Mitchell, a guy we could’ve had instead of trading up for Fultz?

I get the sentiment and I’m still annoyed we went Ben over Ingram, but there was really no way to know Ingram would pan out. I mean, we not trading for Dragan Bender (4th that year) because the valuation of all these guys constantly change as soon as they are drafted. So if we get him, I’ll be fine about it.

[mjkvol]

Not sure if you've guys have seen this, but Tobias' dad has probably infiltrated Brett Seigel, and he came out with a doozy of an article. Like what the absolute **** lol.

Classic lazy national media 'journalism', still parroting the idiotic "Sixers need to find a way to get Tobias going" line even in this year's playoffs, courtesy of the latest coaching genius, JJ Redick.

Tobias is one of the classic examples of the eye test trumping numbers and stats as the ultimate way to judge a player's impact on the game. Anyone who watched him night in and night out over five seasons (Alaa notwithstanding) could never come up with the conclusions that Siegel and other national media types have promulgated unless they actually were being paid by Tobias' dad.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I agree. There's no need to second guess anything in the slightest with Tobias Harris. It's the internet, it's media. You're going to get a million different answers, views, and takes on pretty much any topic that has ever been created. We all witnessed what Tobias Harris is at this point. Even if he goes somewhere else and has a better outcome, it wont matter. He NEVER delivered for us when we needed him to. Never, not once.

[sixers4real]

I still think Jimmy will be back.

Embiid
PF
Oubre
Jimmy
Maxey

[the_process]

It'll be nice to sink a ton of assets into a guy we could have had in 2016. Funny enough, he basically became what we wanted Ben to be, a point forward.

It's not my first choice, but he does fit well with Embiid and Maxey on offense and in terms of age. The rest of the team will have to be 3&D dogs who get rebounds because you're not really getting that kind of determination with Ingram.

I choose to quote this particular post because it fits what I'm about to say perfectly, even though it's a bit bold, but the thought of it is what's bothersome.

So Daryl Morey, works extensively to acquire maximum cap space right... in order to then TRADE for a player we could have drafted 8 years ago and have that player inherit the cap space Morey spent wasting a year of prime Embiid just to create?

If Ingram ends up being the big target Morey gets, after everything this franchise has had to put up with pre/post process whatever the hell... I'll sign off from the league as a "fan", tip my cap to Silver for punishing us for Hinke, and reduce the NBA to background noise for as long as I live. This is nothing against Ingram and how it would fit, but I won't spend anymore time giving a damn about not just the Sixers, but the NBA as a whole. No big time free agent will ever sign to this city/franchise/fanbase will be the excuse, but making idiots out of a city/fanbase for generations should never be rewarded.

I'm not excited about the prospect of Brandon Ingram either. But there are way worse scenarios that could occur.

I would like to add that there's gonna need to be a discussion about Daryl if Paul George goes to Orlando regardless of what you think about Paul George. Cannot have a GM rep costing you FAs.

[FireMorey]

If you have to “talk yourself into” a move, 90% of the time it doesn’t end well in my experience. When it comes to moves usually your first instinct is the right one. I don’t think Ingram would be a bad move, but I think he’d just be ok. And the Sixers need better than ok. He’ll have some games where he looks pretty damn good, he’ll have some games where he struggles to bring what the Sixers need, it’ll kinda be up and down, and people will feel very meh about him. Won’t hate him, but will lament not acquiring better.

[Kobblehead]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better. Getting a good wing for their entire prime with Maxey and Embiid will keep this team relevant. If we get any of these 34 year olds, they could drop off a cliff at any time. Harden was an mvp candidate until he wasn’t. Klay Thompson was great until last year when he was getting cooked. Too much risk with these olds imo (Lebron being the exception, although can’t imagine he leaves LA).

The problem with Ingram is that he's an okay on-the-ball player, but a bad off-the-ball player.

So he's a guy that could help take the load off Maxey and Embiid and go create his own offense.

However, he doesn't move around off the ball or cut to the basket. And he's a completely unwilling shooter so he's not going to space the floor.

He's just a goofy fit, unfortunately. And it's really undesirable that we would have to trade for him instead of signing him in free agency.

[AI_Efficiency]

I’m talking myself into Brandon Ingram more and more assuming we can’t sign like OG or Lebron or something crazy. At only 26, it’s still highly possible Ingram gets better. Getting a good wing for their entire prime with Maxey and Embiid will keep this team relevant. If we get any of these 34 year olds, they could drop off a cliff at any time. Harden was an mvp candidate until he wasn’t. Klay Thompson was great until last year when he was getting cooked. Too much risk with these olds imo (Lebron being the exception, although can’t imagine he leaves LA).

The problem with Ingram is that he's an okay on-the-ball player, but a bad off-the-ball player.

So he's a guy that could help take the load off Maxey and Embiid and go create his own offense.

However, he doesn't move around off the ball or cut to the basket. And he's a completely unwilling shooter so he's not going to space the floor.

He's just a goofy fit, unfortunately. And it's really undesirable that we would have to trade for him instead of signed him in free agency.

Fair enough, I’m assuming he won’t cost much because he’s the odd man out there now, they don’t want to extend him given his price, and they’re actively shopping him. But if they wanted a lot or something, I would definitely say it isn’t worth it.

[FireMorey]

I actually think I'd rather have Zach Lavine than Ingram because he's a really good scorer and because the Bulls front office is clueless you'd probably get at least one 1st round pick for taking on that contract, if not more than that. And I think if he comes to Philly, stays healthy and puts up his usual 25 ppg and is productive, he'd give the Sixers another go to scorer, and if he's not the perfect fit, you could probably flip him later if you need to when he rebuilds his trade value a year removed from the knee injury.

Zach Lavine + 1st and 2nd round pick > having to give up picks for Ingram.

[Jhawk03]

What if we traded for someone like Donovan Mitchell, a guy we could’ve had instead of trading up for Fultz?

I get the sentiment and I’m still annoyed we went Ben over Ingram, but there was really no way to know Ingram would pan out. I mean, we not trading for Dragan Bender (4th that year) because the valuation of all these guys constantly change as soon as they are drafted. So if we get him, I’ll be fine about it.

I get it the difficulty of trying to actually project a players value once they're drafted. Like I said it's not about Ingram the player because we could of course do way worse. My point is being fed up and just exhausted by how little FO moves and decisions are making sense. Why would Daryl make clearing cap space a priority, to the point where trading for Buddy Heild was the best choice in terms of keeping the cap space... just to end up making a type of deal for Ingram that you could make just the same at the trade deadline? It's frustrating because nothing's making any sense anymore is all I'm trying to say.

[Kobblehead]

I honestly think Jimmy Butler is going to be a Sixer within the week.