New York/Detroit

[jbk1234]

You think Sasser is worth 2 late firsts, the Detroit protected pick, McBride and Mitch? Is Mitch negative value or you just value Sasser much higher than I do? This package is close to the package offered to Portland to get Jrue Holiday to Boston.

I think McBride is the best asset here, the Pistons have Grimes already, and I think the Knicks will have a hard time finding a team that will offer cap space on Mitch.

I suspect that a playoff/tax team would value McBride a lot more than a lottery team sitting on $60M in space and they could toss in another late first. So three late firsts for a player taken in the top 5 last year? If the new GM is convinced that Weaver missed, then yes.

Are you confusing Marcus Sasser with Ausar Thompson?

Lol, embarrassed to say yes. The twin thing got me.

[JayTWill]

I think McBride is the best asset here, the Pistons have Grimes already, and I think the Knicks will have a hard time finding a team that will offer cap space on Mitch.

I suspect that a playoff/tax team would value McBride a lot more than a lottery team sitting on $60M in space and they could toss in another late first. So three late firsts for a player taken in the top 5 last year? If the new GM is convinced that Weaver missed, then yes.

Are you confusing Marcus Sasser with Ausar Thompson?

Lol, embarrassed to say yes. The twin thing got me.

Thank you. Just when I thought people were overvaluing the #5 pick in this draft you had your response about Sasser. It took a lot of strength from me to keep this conversation respectful.

[cgf]

Guess it depends on what our scouts say, but Sasser-Deuce is a wash IMO and with Mitch's contract going down, I'm not sure there's much impetus to move his money...especially since it's not like moving him would let us offer IH any more. If his early-birds aren't enough to keep him, we're losing Isaiah.

I agree that Sasser-Deuce is a wash but while McBride was great in the off ball role next to Brunson the bench's offense struggled with McBride in a more on-ball role. I would be willing to make the swap unless the team found another ball handler to play alongside Deuce on the bench.

As far as Mitch's contract I just feel like the team has a window between now in the deadline to make some adjustments to the team before becoming more locked in to this core after the Brunson is re-signed. It's been great to see Mitch blossom as a second round pick and his defense was amazing on Embiid this postseason but unfortunately injuries have prevented him from being available when we needed him the most.

If I thought the Knicks could re-sign iHart and possibly sign someone like Goga for an even cheaper deal than Mitch's as a back up I would definitely be willing to move Mitch. Goga seems to provide some of the things Mitch brings along with what iHart brings. He is a better free throw shooter than Mitch and has shown some ability to pass out of the high post like iHart but he can also be a bit more foul prone like iHart which Mitch has gotten under control the last few years.

McBride did pretty well when Brunson rested and he had Randle next to him. Deuce isn't going to initiate the offense, but that tenacity really helps us keep our defensive pressure up.

I like Goga, but he's not as dominant as Mitch.

We'll be a 2nd apron team next season, but that doesn't lock us in. It just means we'll need to be able to afford a 1-for-1 swap for a bigger star, and we'll have few options outside of the draft to build up our depth.

[louc1970]

Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.

It is not a question of want. The idea is any team trading for Fournier is cutting him to save money. So his contract has value.

That's not how his contract work, if he is traded, it means his team option was picked, after the trade deadline expiring players can't be traded, so you either pick his option or he can't be traded.

and you don't have to cut him to save money, you can straight up save the money by not taking on his contract in the first place Detroit have raw cap space.

And that is not how it works either. The player and team can negotiate a later option date. Happens frequently with players a team does not want but could possibly trade elsewhere.
I do not understand so many folks that continue to say “use the cap space”. If I can trade out a player I do not want for a player I like, I still have cap space to pick additional players.
I could go buy a Snickers with my money. Or I could trade you a Three Musketeers for your Snickers and I can still go get a PayDay.

[vege]

It is not a question of want. The idea is any team trading for Fournier is cutting him to save money. So his contract has value.

That's not how his contract work, if he is traded, it means his team option was picked, after the trade deadline expiring players can't be traded, so you either pick his option or he can't be traded.

and you don't have to cut him to save money, you can straight up save the money by not taking on his contract in the first place Detroit have raw cap space.

And that is not how it works either. The player and team can negotiate a later option date. Happens frequently with players a team does not want but could possibly trade elsewhere.
I do not understand so many folks that continue to say “use the cap space”. If I can trade out a player I do not want for a player I like, I still have cap space to pick additional players.
I could go buy a Snickers with my money. Or I could trade you a Three Musketeers for your Snickers and I can still go get a PayDay.

"Note that players with ending contracts (including players whose contracts might end due to an option or ETO) cannot be traded after the trade deadline (players whose contracts are not ending can be traded after the last day of the team's season and before July 1 -- see question numbers 101 and 104)."

"In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:"

"When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO."

"3 When there is an option year involved, they may be able to get around this restriction by invoking the option prior to the trade."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

[LaSheed]

It is not a question of want. The idea is any team trading for Fournier is cutting him to save money. So his contract has value.

That's not how his contract work, if he is traded, it means his team option was picked, after the trade deadline expiring players can't be traded, so you either pick his option or he can't be traded.

and you don't have to cut him to save money, you can straight up save the money by not taking on his contract in the first place Detroit have raw cap space.

And that is not how it works either. The player and team can negotiate a later option date. Happens frequently with players a team does not want but could possibly trade elsewhere.
I do not understand so many folks that continue to say “use the cap space”. If I can trade out a player I do not want for a player I like, I still have cap space to pick additional players.
I could go buy a Snickers with my money. Or I could trade you a Three Musketeers for your Snickers and I can still go get a PayDay.

If you trade down from a Snickers we can not be friends.

[JayTWill]

My offer is still out there for Detroit fans. Those free agents are already getting snatched up off the market. You don't want to spend that money on another Joe Harris type trade. Come on. Siakam is gone. OG is gone. Claxton is gone. Deni and Mikal were traded. Bam signed an extension. He wasn't set to become a free agent for another few years but why not panic when you can panic?

Do want to end up throwing $45M a year at Tobias Harris for 4 years. Take this deal (possibly minus McBride for Sasser, i'm not sure who fits best with the Knicks current roster) and be happy. Mitch and maybe McBride can fill some holes in the roster.

Edit - I wanted Castle at 5 but i'm not sure where he fits with Mikal on the roster now. Don't worry I will figure out how to make the pick useful. 5+++ for Lauri + 29?

Edit - Risacher is off the board... Panic time?

Edit - Sarr is off the board... More panic?????

Edit - Sheppard is gone... Uh oh

Edit - My guy Castle went to a good situation. I was truly worried he would end up in Detroit.

So.... deal or no deal?

Edit - You turned down this deal for another guy that can't shoot?????

But seriously good luck to you guys. Hopefully your new shooting coach can clean up some of the issues. Just out of curiosity which Pistons' fans would trade Ron Holland for this package?

[vege]

Edit - You turned down this deal for another guy that can't shoot?????

Such a classy guy.

Let's hope your team doesn't get decimated by injuries again (with Thibs you know they will), it would be a shame to spend all that money and give away all those picks and accomplish nothing.

[JayTWill]

My offer is still out there for Detroit fans. Those free agents are already getting snatched up off the market. You don't want to spend that money on another Joe Harris type trade. Come on. Siakam is gone. OG is gone. Clayton is gone. Deni and Mikal were traded. Bam signed an extension. He wasn't set to become a free agent for another few years but why not panic when you can panic?

Do want to end up throwing $45M a year at Tobias Harris for 4 years. Take this deal (possibly minus McBride for Sasser, i'm not sure who fits best with the Knicks current roster) and be happy. Mitch and maybe McBride can fill some holes in the roster.

Edit - I wanted Castle at 5 but i'm not sure where he fits with Mikal on the roster now. Don't worry I will figure out how to make the pick useful. 5+++ for Lauri + 29?

Edit - Risacher is off the board... Panic time?

Edit - Sarr is off the board... More panic?????

Edit - Sheppard is gone... Uh oh

Edit - My guy Castle went to a good situation. I was truly worried he would end up in Detroit.

So.... deal or no deal?

Edit - You turned down this deal for another guy that can't shoot?????

But seriously good luck to you guys. Hopefully your new shooting coach can clean up some of the issues. Just out of curiosity which Pistons' fans would trade Ron Holland for this package?

Such a classy guy.

Let's hope your team doesn't get decimated by injuries again (with Thibs you know they will), it would be a shame to spend all that money and give away all those picks and accomplish nothing.

The entire post was a joke outside of the last part and the comment about Castle going to the Spurs. Relax.

[A_dub06]

My offer is still out there for Detroit fans. Those free agents are already getting snatched up off the market. You don't want to spend that money on another Joe Harris type trade. Come on. Siakam is gone. OG is gone. Clayton is gone. Deni and Mikal were traded. Bam signed an extension. He wasn't set to become a free agent for another few years but why not panic when you can panic?

Do want to end up throwing $45M a year at Tobias Harris for 4 years. Take this deal (possibly minus McBride for Sasser, i'm not sure who fits best with the Knicks current roster) and be happy. Mitch and maybe McBride can fill some holes in the roster.

Edit - I wanted Castle at 5 but i'm not sure where he fits with Mikal on the roster now. Don't worry I will figure out how to make the pick useful. 5+++ for Lauri + 29?

Edit - Risacher is off the board... Panic time?

Edit - Sarr is off the board... More panic?????

Edit - Sheppard is gone... Uh oh

Edit - My guy Castle went to a good situation. I was truly worried he would end up in Detroit.

So.... deal or no deal?

Edit - You turned down this deal for another guy that can't shoot?????

But seriously good luck to you guys. Hopefully your new shooting coach can clean up some of the issues. Just out of curiosity which Pistons' fans would trade Ron Holland for this package?

None?

Mitch can’t stay healthy, and even if he was healthy, giving up the 5th pick in this drafts potential being Holland, is that really worth it to a team as bad as the Pistons? Easy answer is no. McBride is interesting but I don’t see many that will jump over themselves for him.

Our pick could easily just not convert, and it’s obvious the Knicks need to shed salary. Now that weavers gone I don’t think the pistons would make short sighted moves like this and with Landon chances are he’s going to be asking for an asset like our pick back to dump just the injured Robinson let alone give up the guy we just drafted.

In any case I don’t think there’s a precedent for trading away a player drafted as high as Holland this quickly outside of draft so it’s not plausible