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5th guy would need to be a lights out shooter.FireMorey wrote:If you could somehow afford both Derozan and Anunoby that wouldn't be a terrible fallback option. Neither are perfect players, but if you could have a lineup of Embiid, Maxey, Derozan, OG... that's pretty good. Not sure you could afford both though, it would be cutting it really tight.
Negrodamus wrote:mjkvol wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Depending on price, I’m actually warming up to Julius Randle as an option. I think by virtue of getting traded to a team that has two established stars, he’d have to concede his alpha role. That said, he’d Hager his shots off whenever Embiid wasn’t on the court, which might be more frequent if we hope to preserve him for the playoffs. His aggressiveness driving and rebounding would fix two major issues we’ve had for years. Fill the other two spots with flamethrowers from outside and we’re in a good spot.
Your argument is a solid one, but he is just a guy I've always seen a 'losing player', the kind of Tobias-esque player that perennially losing teams always seem to have. Is it a coincidence that the Knicks really gelled this year only after Randle went down?
The other galling part of trading for Randle is doing the Knicks a huge favor and giving them the space to improve on a team that is already on the way to being a serious contender, allowing them to keep Hartenstein and add more useful parts.
Yea, they’re losers until they aren’t though. Wiggins, Butler, Booker, even go farther back to Garnett, Bosh. Guys put up big numbers then move to a contending situation where they fall in line.
If I’m the Knicks, I’m more concerned about Randle becoming a self-aware efficient 3rd guy more than the Sixers are concerned about giving the Knicks room to insulate their 6’0 franchise player. If Embiid were healthy or if we substituted Tobias for a healthy Julius Randle, the Knicks would have been completely fried by us.
Arsenal wrote:If we get Jimmy Butler we have to stay over the cap so we can resign our other FAs. Trading to take him into open cap space will totally gut our depth.
Turn it into a sign and trade with Tobias and Melton as the outgoing salaries to match. Then we can resign Batum and Oubre with bird rights, plus add a guy w/MLE and another w/LLE. Potentially keep the #16 pick also to add another piece.
That would be a team with stars and depth to make a legit run at a chip.
Negrodamus wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Depending on price, I’m actually warming up to Julius Randle as an option. I think by virtue of getting traded to a team that has two established stars, he’d have to concede his alpha role. That said, he’d Hager his shots off whenever Embiid wasn’t on the court, which might be more frequent if we hope to preserve him for the playoffs. His aggressiveness driving and rebounding would fix two major issues we’ve had for years. Fill the other two spots with flamethrowers from outside and we’re in a good spot.
zaz102 wrote:I'm pretty close to saying screw it and just say sign DeRozan, KCP on short deals. Bring back Oubre, Batum, Lowry on short deals and then sign best guys you can with whatever money is left. Keep the powder dry for when something good comes along.
zaz102 wrote:I'm pretty close to saying screw it and just say sign DeRozan, KCP on short deals. Bring back Oubre, Batum, Lowry on short deals and then sign best guys you can with whatever money is left. Keep the powder dry for when something good comes along.
Good points, but I'm not sure what you're proposing or how it's different than my proposal. I consider the pieces I mentioned supplemental. Point is I'd rather have tradeable contracts and assets to improve the team rather than trade a bunch of picks for Jimmy or BI.Slacktard wrote:zaz102 wrote:I'm pretty close to saying screw it and just say sign DeRozan, KCP on short deals. Bring back Oubre, Batum, Lowry on short deals and then sign best guys you can with whatever money is left. Keep the powder dry for when something good comes along.
Embiid + Maxey will be taking like $100m-$105m next off-season so even if everyone else is on a 1-year deal. The max cap space the Sixers will have next season will be substantially less than they have right now.
Also would waste yet another year of Embiid's career and it's unlikely to see a team 'gel' enough to win that first year so now you're kicking the actual 'contention can' for the Sixers down another TWO seasons until the 2026-2027 season.
Of course that also assumes Embiid is still a Sixer for that 2026-2027 season because he can opt-out of contract after the 2025-2026 season.
How bout actually doing something crazy like BUILDING A F'IN TEAM and not chasing some mystical unicorn that probably is not going to happen. You got a guy who when healthy is one of the top-5 players in the NBA. You got another young guy in Maxey who has catapulted himself into the top-20. Add supplemental pieces to that, let them gel and have this team with that core go for it the next couple of seasons.
zaz102 wrote:Good points, but I'm not sure what you're proposing or how it's different than my proposal. I consider the pieces I mentioned supplemental. Point is I'd rather have tradeable contracts and assets to improve the team rather than trade a bunch of picks for Jimmy or BI.Slacktard wrote:zaz102 wrote:I'm pretty close to saying screw it and just say sign DeRozan, KCP on short deals. Bring back Oubre, Batum, Lowry on short deals and then sign best guys you can with whatever money is left. Keep the powder dry for when something good comes along.
Embiid + Maxey will be taking like $100m-$105m next off-season so even if everyone else is on a 1-year deal. The max cap space the Sixers will have next season will be substantially less than they have right now.
Also would waste yet another year of Embiid's career and it's unlikely to see a team 'gel' enough to win that first year so now you're kicking the actual 'contention can' for the Sixers down another TWO seasons until the 2026-2027 season.
Of course that also assumes Embiid is still a Sixer for that 2026-2027 season because he can opt-out of contract after the 2025-2026 season.
How bout actually doing something crazy like BUILDING A F'IN TEAM and not chasing some mystical unicorn that probably is not going to happen. You got a guy who when healthy is one of the top-5 players in the NBA. You got another young guy in Maxey who has catapulted himself into the top-20. Add supplemental pieces to that, let them gel and have this team with that core go for it the next couple of seasons.
Then who knows, maybe Lauri or Mikal or maybe the next Caruso or somebody else becomes available. DeRozan and KCP, IMO, let you contend while also letting you be able to make some trades.
You mention building THE team now before maxing Maxey. If not doing this and with the rumors of PG not happening, what are the moves you're making to make the team significantly better than adding DDR/ KCP (while also keeping assets)?
the_process wrote:ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:As of right now my gut tells me it's Brandon Ingram and KCP as the big additions this summer. I'm going to scream this until draft night is over though. We need to keep our pick. Sure, trade for Ingram, but we can't come off of this pick to do so. It's probably the last decent draft pick we're going to have for a few years.
According to Negrodamus, you're all set.
Morey needs 16 to take Bronny.
ProcessDoctor wrote:Arsenal wrote:If we get Jimmy Butler we have to stay over the cap so we can resign our other FAs. Trading to take him into open cap space will totally gut our depth.
Turn it into a sign and trade with Tobias and Melton as the outgoing salaries to match. Then we can resign Batum and Oubre with bird rights, plus add a guy w/MLE and another w/LLE. Potentially keep the #16 pick also to add another piece.
That would be a team with stars and depth to make a legit run at a chip.
Why would Miami agree to that? If anything they're doing this to duck taxes and the apron.
