OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[Fat Kat]

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[thebuzzardman]

There is also the possibility that we could arrange a sign and trade

For who?

Tobias Harris of course

[ForzaMetro]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

I'm there. Maybe it's my own neuroticism and paranoia, but I've had a weird feeling about this not going well for a while.

The answer to the question posed in the title of the thread is "almost certainly not, but there's no choice." Let's take it to the extreme - if the decision ends up being give OG the max or let him walk for nothing, I give him the max.

[WaltFrazier]

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This is a joke right, a satire? Fischer didn't say this?

Either way Fischer is an idiot, he had OG traded from Toronto to Portland a year ago, totally made up

[Fat Kat]

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This is a joke right, a satire? Fischer didn't say this?

Either way Fischer is an idiot, he had OG traded from Toronto to Portland a year ago, totally made up

It’s a joke

[Bob Ross]

When is this mf gonna sign

[3toheadmelo]

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This is a joke right, a satire? Fischer didn't say this?

Either way Fischer is an idiot, he had OG traded from Toronto to Portland a year ago, totally made up

to be fair to jake fischer i remember he called the knicks signing evan fournier signing before shams and woj. hes connected somehow

[Synciere]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

I'm there. Maybe it's my own neuroticism and paranoia, but I've had a weird feeling about this not going well for a while.

The answer to the question posed in the title of the thread is "almost certainly not, but there's no choice." Let's take it to the extreme - if the decision ends up being give OG the max or let him walk for nothing, I give him the max.

Yeah I don’t know where this optimism is coming from from Knicks fans. And I’m not sure why the front office thought low balling OG was the best play. It feels like the Mitchell trade speculation where the Knicks don’t put their best foot forward thinking they have leverage and then come to find out they don’t. It’s not in our interest to let him hit free agency at all.

[towelie]

Hoping for at most 4-yr $150M, but honestly, we do whatever is needed to bring him back. It'll be a tough pill to swallow if Philly forces us to go even higher.

I'm not as concerned about his injury history though as some are here. All of them have been strange fluke incidents that doesn't necessarily suggest any degenerative condition or chance to repeat. Appendicitis, sliced finger in his kitchen (lol), and bone spurs in elbow. If we were talking about repeat knee or ankle injuries, I'd definitely be more hesitant, but a lot of these aren't even basketball injuries. Even if it were some persistent injury, we're going to have to roll the dice and hope for the best like Steph Curry's resurgence from his early ankle woes, cause we can't lose OG for nothing.

[Iron Mantis]

Injury prone or accident prone. It doesn't matter.

Every single year he finds ways to miss 25+ games. OG is elite at missing games. 100th percentile .

Be careful with diving into a huge contract with no protections.

[ForzaMetro]

Hoping for at most 4-yr $150M, but honestly, we do whatever is needed to bring him back. It'll be a tough pill to swallow if Philly forces us to go even higher.

I'm not as concerned about his injury history though as some are here. All of them have been strange fluke incidents that doesn't necessarily suggest any degenerative condition or chance to repeat. Appendicitis, sliced finger in his kitchen (lol), and bone spurs in elbow. If we were talking about repeat knee or ankle injuries, I'd definitely be more hesitant, but a lot of these aren't even basketball injuries. Even if it were some persistent injury, we're going to have to roll the dice and hope for the best like Steph Curry's resurgence from his early ankle woes, cause we can't lose OG for nothing.

I agree. The other thing that makes me less apprehensive about overpaying OG is if we did find ourselves needing to move off him at some point, he's a plug-and-play fit on 29 other rosters. Barring a catastrophic injury, I'd be confident in him retaining trade value. I'd be more wary giving a monster deal to a player like Randle, where if you did want/need to move him down the road, the options are severely limited right off the bat.

[Guano]

Injury prone or accident prone. It doesn't matter.

Every single year he finds ways to miss 25+ games. OG is elite at missing games. 100th percentile .

Be careful with diving into a huge contract with no protections.

knicks aren't really in a position of power with these negotiations. id be surprised if they get a team friendly deal or any protections. they've painted themselves in a corner here.

[nedleeds]

Injury prone or accident prone. It doesn't matter.

Every single year he finds ways to miss 25+ games. OG is elite at missing games. 100th percentile .

Be careful with diving into a huge contract with no protections.

knicks aren't really in a position of power with these negotiations. id be surprised if they get a team friendly deal or any protections. they've painted themselves in a corner here.

Either way Leon Rose wins! Hey yoooooooooooo!

Let's say the rake is 10%

Brunson
OG
Hart
iHart
Randle
... Jacob Toppin

Thibs
Rick Brunson

CAA mafia is incentivized to just extend Randle and Brunson and max OG. The Brunson extension will be positive value. All the others will be cap killers, but Rose will be long gone before it matters.

[Guano]

Injury prone or accident prone. It doesn't matter.

Every single year he finds ways to miss 25+ games. OG is elite at missing games. 100th percentile .

Be careful with diving into a huge contract with no protections.

knicks aren't really in a position of power with these negotiations. id be surprised if they get a team friendly deal or any protections. they've painted themselves in a corner here.

Either way Leon Rose wins! Hey yoooooooooooo!

Let's say the rake is 10%

Brunson
OG
Hart
iHart
Randle
... Jacob Toppin

Thibs
Rick Brunson

CAA mafia is incentivized to just extend Randle and Brunson and max OG. The Brunson extension will be positive value. All the others will be cap killers, but Rose will be long gone before it matters.

dolan has been scammed by people that have given us worse content - guan0(noted glass half full poster)

[nedleeds]

knicks aren't really in a position of power with these negotiations. id be surprised if they get a team friendly deal or any protections. they've painted themselves in a corner here.

Either way Leon Rose wins! Hey yoooooooooooo!

Let's say the rake is 10%

Brunson
OG
Hart
iHart
Randle
... Jacob Toppin

Thibs
Rick Brunson

CAA mafia is incentivized to just extend Randle and Brunson and max OG. The Brunson extension will be positive value. All the others will be cap killers, but Rose will be long gone before it matters.

dolan has been scammed by people that have given us worse content - guan0(noted glass half full poster)

[Oscirus]

if it was in the 30s, 35s, hed be signed already, I suspect 170 million is close to what he'll get one way or the other

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks painted themselves into a corner, maybe they don't mind.

You let go your two best young trade pieces for a guy about to hit FA, you wind up paying that guy whatever he wants.

I don't know, to me, other than trading Randle, seems like the Knick brain trust said "hey, we can try for a Paul George or Bridges AFTER the new CBA kicks in, but that will be very difficult, or we can try to get OG NOW as our 3rd core piece"

Like I've said before, even though the team isn't truly a chip contender, the Knicks made their big move last year, in front of the CBA.

All other moves now will be about managing the cap around Brunson's next deal, what happens with iShart, and just how much money OG gets, because he's getting AT LEAST 38 million per.

Then it's about dealing Bogs or Mitch in separate deals for whatever they think is missing or purely to manage the cap damage from OG, maybe iShart, and when Brunson gets extended.

This is the team, until Randle gets traded or they break up the Villanova band.

[navyblue]

OG player option date is today.

[Bob Ross]

OG player option date is today.

Came in here to ask that

[Knicksfan1992]

Fischer wrote a book about the process Sixers so it makes sense that he's getting info from their side of things.