Predicting the Simple and Boring Mavs Off-Season

[jayjaysee]

Looney would never play and doesn’t open the MLE on his own. So still need to dump Powell for a vet min

Then I guess you can offer Looney and Green and an asset for a guy making 20 ish million?

Feels like most teams would rather have THJ and the Toronto 2nd than 8 million of Looney?

But maybe people expect him to bounce back. He is young enough that he should..

I haven't paid attention to him this past season, did he regress a ton? I remembered the WCF where he bullied the Mavs every which way.

And THJ-Looney doesn't open up enough money?

THJ+Powell for Looney+true vet min does. Have to add the McGee stretch and the 1.5 unlikely incentive. So Dallas really needs to clear 10 million

So it’s worth doing... But before I do that, I’d make sure the teams with 6 million dollar players that are useful (Kenrich for Chuck..) wouldn’t prefer THJ and the Toronto 2nd.

GSW is better just dumping the 3 million guarantee on Detroit and giving them cash or something really minor. Once Looney is 8 million dollars, I think he’s an overpaid third string center.

And I thought I was being harsh. Maybe I just watched the wrong part of games since I don’t watch GSW much… but every single GSW fan I see talk about him says same.

[hugepatsfan]

DJJ is good but undeserving of the desperation to retain I see mentioned for him. He’s a liability if he continues to start for them and play as big a role as he does. Gafford/Lively are great lob threats. PJ has some offensive capabilities and is defensive versatile at a PF position that demand a lot. Their most obvious path to improvement is upgrading DJJ to an offensive capable player who can still defend at a high level.

The picks they still have and the salaries of THJ/Kleber/Green should be able to land them someone. If they can keep DJJ after that then he’s a good bench piece. But he shouldn’t be some huge priority like he’s being made out to be.

[BeiBeau]

I like the Nnaji trade if it includes the THJ dump with it.

Like Wiggins a lot. Think he’s poised for a bounce back. Gets back to 90% of the 22 run Dallas could be champs.

THJ - Kleber - 25 Tor 2nd - 28 Mia 2nd for Wiggins. If Dallas does this they can commit to being a above the 1st apron team and use the TMLE.

Like Grant, think he is the level of off ball shooter and on ball creator we need but would like to dump Powell as well with Grant.

Interested in Kennard.

Interested in Dinwiddie on a min.

[daoneandonly]

Looney would never play and doesn’t open the MLE on his own. So still need to dump Powell for a vet min

Then I guess you can offer Looney and Green and an asset for a guy making 20 ish million?

Feels like most teams would rather have THJ and the Toronto 2nd than 8 million of Looney?

But maybe people expect him to bounce back. He is young enough that he should..

I haven't paid attention to him this past season, did he regress a ton? I remembered the WCF where he bullied the Mavs every which way.

And THJ-Looney doesn't open up enough money?

THJ+Powell for Looney+true vet min does. Have to add the McGee stretch and the 1.5 unlikely incentive. So Dallas really needs to clear 10 million

So it’s worth doing... But before I do that, I’d make sure the teams with 6 million dollar players that are useful (Kenrich for Chuck..) wouldn’t prefer THJ and the Toronto 2nd.

GSW is better just dumping the 3 million guarantee on Detroit and giving them cash or something really minor. Once Looney is 8 million dollars, I think he’s an overpaid third string center.

And I thought I was being harsh. Maybe I just watched the wrong part of games since I don’t watch GSW much… but every single GSW fan I see talk about him says same.

If Looney has regressed as stated, then yea I'd bail on that. If we did trade Gaff for a starting SF. I'd then see if THJ/Tor 2nd could get Capela. Doesn't help our DJJ issue, but gets a quality big to backup Lively

[daoneandonly]

I understand Wiggins dealt with personal issues, but there were questions about his work ethic in Minny, this isn't new.

Grant's contract will do more harm than good. He is overpaid and will be hard to move if it goes south.

We already have Kyrie, we need more people on Luka's time-line than Kyries. The West is loaded with great young talent

[R-DAWG]

I hope Nico bluffs, we just reached the final and KI isn't getting any younger... If the Hawks reorganize, I would love to steal Bogdan and re-sign DJJ. use Dallas 25/Raptors SRP/THJ/Powell/Maxi to achieve it

I would love Bordan for Dallas. He would come off the bench to provide extra scoring/shot creation but can also play in small lineups with Luka and Kyrie.

I’m not sure how realistic this is dollar and asset wise - but an offseason where Dallas gets both Bogan and Jeremi Grant for some combination of THJ/Kleber/Powell + 25 1st + 26 swap (flipped for a 24 1st) + multiple 2nds would be a home run, even at the expense of Derrick Jones Jr.

Luka/Kyrie/Washington/Grant/Lively
Hardy/Bogdan/Green/Prosper/Gafford

Hardy/Propser would be out of the 8 man playoff rotation

The 8 man unit has 3 player makers/scorers with 2 rim protectors and 4 wing defenders with Grant being a knock down shooter.

[hugepatsfan]

I hope Nico bluffs, we just reached the final and KI isn't getting any younger... If the Hawks reorganize, I would love to steal Bogdan and re-sign DJJ. use Dallas 25/Raptors SRP/THJ/Powell/Maxi to achieve it

I would love Bordan for Dallas. He would come off the bench to provide extra scoring/shot creation but can also play in small lineups with Luka and Kyrie.

I’m not sure how realistic this is dollar and asset wise - but an offseason where Dallas gets both Bogan and Jeremi Grant for some combination of THJ/Kleber/Powell + 25 1st + 26 swap (flipped for a 24 1st) + multiple 2nds would be a home run, even at the expense of Derrick Jones Jr.

Luka/Kyrie/Washington/Grant/Lively
Hardy/Bogdan/Green/Prosper/Gafford

Hardy/Propser would be out of the 8 man playoff rotation

The 8 man unit has 3 player makers/scorers with 2 rim protectors and 4 wing defenders with Grant being a knock down shooter.

Not sure how he did in POR but Brogdon looked pretty slow on defense in Boston. And while Grant might be a positive defender overall, I think he’s more of a PF than a wing or ball stopper on that end. This playoff rotation you have here is going to really, really struggle to keep the opponent out of the paint.

[R-DAWG]

I hope Nico bluffs, we just reached the final and KI isn't getting any younger... If the Hawks reorganize, I would love to steal Bogdan and re-sign DJJ. use Dallas 25/Raptors SRP/THJ/Powell/Maxi to achieve it

I would love Bordan for Dallas. He would come off the bench to provide extra scoring/shot creation but can also play in small lineups with Luka and Kyrie.

I’m not sure how realistic this is dollar and asset wise - but an offseason where Dallas gets both Bogan and Jeremi Grant for some combination of THJ/Kleber/Powell + 25 1st + 26 swap (flipped for a 24 1st) + multiple 2nds would be a home run, even at the expense of Derrick Jones Jr.

Luka/Kyrie/Washington/Grant/Lively
Hardy/Bogdan/Green/Prosper/Gafford

Hardy/Propser would be out of the 8 man playoff rotation

The 8 man unit has 3 player makers/scorers with 2 rim protectors and 4 wing defenders with Grant being a knock down shooter.

Not sure how he did in POR but Brogdon looked pretty slow on defense in Boston. And while Grant might be a positive defender overall, I think he’s more of a PF than a wing or ball stopper on that end. This playoff rotation you have here is going to really, really struggle to keep the opponent out of the paint.

To clarify, I’m talking about bogan bogdanovic from Atlanta not Malcolm Brogdon from Portland

I can also see Dallas having interest in DeAndre Hunter from AtL

[Apz]

Grant as poa defender sounds horrible. Dont think whatever he brings offensively would outdo defensive struggles we would see

[BeiBeau]

Grant as poa defender sounds horrible. Dont think whatever he brings offensively would outdo defensive struggles we would see

Agreed. The answer is Wiggins. Top 10 perimeter defender in the league, shoots well from 3 on a good volume, and can create for himself.

[daoneandonly]

Grant as poa defender sounds horrible. Dont think whatever he brings offensively would outdo defensive struggles we would see

Agree completely. Grant is a fine player, but nowhere near worth 30 mil a year for 4 more. His defense has regressed and he'll be more of a detriment on that side where DJJ played fairly well. I dont think his offense makes up for that where trading for him makes sense for the Mavs. Especially if it costs any assets such as a first of any kind.