Harrison Barnes for Mitchell Robinson

[MasterIchiro]

With Malik Monk set to get more touches in the backcourt with his big new contract (plus rumors of Kings shopping Huerter), and with Sac's need for rim protection how bout Barnes for Mitchell Robinson.

Barnes, Bogdanovic off the bench is strong for the Knicks. Their offense fell apart whenever Brunson left the floor.

They keep their center of choice in Hartenstein.

[kalenclayton]

Can Robinson and Sabonis work in big minutes? Certainly the interior defense gets better, but Robinson’s addition would change the offense significantly.
Fox
Monk
Murray
Sabonis
Robinson

I don’t know how to feel about that lineup. Maybe crazy enough that it could work.

[OxAndFox]

The non Sabonis minutes are fine with this 13-14mpg. To get him up to 25-27mpg so 12-13 minutes with Sabonis. Could be doable.
Depending on how Robinson is healing from his injury, I would do it.

[patman66]

Can Robinson and Sabonis work in big minutes? Certainly the interior defense gets better, but Robinson’s addition would change the offense significantly.
Fox
Monk
Murray
Sabonis
Robinson

I don’t know how to feel about that lineup. Maybe crazy enough that it could work.

Who plays center for the Knicks? Lauri will get more money than what the knicks can pay him. What about Mitchel and Barnes to the wolves for Reid. Morris is a FA, Anderson is a FA, Reid is almost redundant.

[Jkam31]

Can Robinson and Sabonis work in big minutes? Certainly the interior defense gets better, but Robinson’s addition would change the offense significantly.
Fox
Monk
Murray
Sabonis
Robinson

I don’t know how to feel about that lineup. Maybe crazy enough that it could work.

Tony only can they not play together offensively but that just gives guys like Luka, Kyrie, Murray and others another big to put in pick and roll

[R-DAWG]

I like Harison Barnes, but the goal of floating Mitchell Robinson in trade rumors should be to turn his last 2 years of market rate money into 3-4 years of rookie scale money.

The Knicks already have an expensive backup 3/4 in Josh Hart

[MessiahUjiri]

Why would the Knicks trade their C? They’re gonna lose Isiah H. already, right?

[pillwenney]

The non Sabonis minutes are fine with this 13-14mpg. To get him up to 25-27mpg so 12-13 minutes with Sabonis. Could be doable.
Depending on how Robinson is healing from his injury, I would do it.

This is pretty much how I feel. I'd hope there are more seamless fits out there, but pending that, I'd consider this.

[Knickfan1982]

With Malik Monk set to get more touches in the backcourt with his big new contract (plus rumors of Kings shopping Huerter), and with Sac's need for rim protection how bout Barnes for Mitchell Robinson.

Barnes, Bogdanovic off the bench is strong for the Knicks. Their offense fell apart whenever Brunson left the floor.

They keep their center of choice in Hartenstein.

I don't really see the point of this for the Knicks without additional compensation.

[MasterIchiro]

With Malik Monk set to get more touches in the backcourt with his big new contract (plus rumors of Kings shopping Huerter), and with Sac's need for rim protection how bout Barnes for Mitchell Robinson.

Barnes, Bogdanovic off the bench is strong for the Knicks. Their offense fell apart whenever Brunson left the floor.

They keep their center of choice in Hartenstein.

I don't really see the point of this for the Knicks without additional compensation.

For the Knicks, would they rather pay their backup center (Hartenstein paid to start) 15 million or pay a bench scoring option similar money?

Judging from the performance of their offense whenever Brunson was off the floor, I would say Knicks jump at this deal.

Mitchell Robinson isn't going to command a 1st round pick.

[JayTWill]

I would be open to this trade as a Knicks' fan depending on how much Barnes has left in the tank if they can't find better use for Mitch's contract in a trade. I haven't paid attention to Barnes in recent years but I have heard his defense has declined significantly. Is he passable defensively as a small ball 4? I know he doesn't bring much on the boards. Would he just be Thibs' new version of Obi but with better team defense and less athleticism?

Mitch brings some things to the Knicks that they may not be able to replace defensively or on the boards but I don't think his overall impact is irreplaceable especially when you factor in health.

[Pelon chingon]

Hmmm. Props OP.

[Knickfan1982]

With Malik Monk set to get more touches in the backcourt with his big new contract (plus rumors of Kings shopping Huerter), and with Sac's need for rim protection how bout Barnes for Mitchell Robinson.

Barnes, Bogdanovic off the bench is strong for the Knicks. Their offense fell apart whenever Brunson left the floor.

They keep their center of choice in Hartenstein.

I don't really see the point of this for the Knicks without additional compensation.

For the Knicks, would they rather pay their backup center (Hartenstein paid to start) 15 million or pay a bench scoring option similar money?

Judging from the performance of their offense whenever Brunson was off the floor, I would say Knicks jump at this deal.

Mitchell Robinson isn't going to command a 1st round pick.

I would rather have a backup center who is a quality rebounder (especially as an offensive rebounder) and shotblocker on a relatively inexpensive and declining contract. Robinson is a backup here but he's a starting caliber center. He's also younger and cheaper than Barnes.

[theBigLip]

Can Robinson and Sabonis work in big minutes? Certainly the interior defense gets better, but Robinson’s addition would change the offense significantly.
Fox
Monk
Murray
Sabonis
Robinson

I don’t know how to feel about that lineup. Maybe crazy enough that it could work.

Who plays center for the Knicks? Lauri will get more money than what the knicks can pay him. What about Mitchel and Barnes to the wolves for Reid. Morris is a FA, Anderson is a FA, Reid is almost redundant.

Not even close in value. Reid could start for most teams and if it wasn’t for KAT/Gorbert, he would be in Minnesota.

Barnes’s best days are behind him. He’s ok but not worth his contract, so he’s basically neutral value. This package just doesn’t get you close to Reid in value.

[KOA]

Hard pass for the Knicks.

Harrison Barnes has negative value. Who wants an old PF that can’t rebound or defend and is making sizable dollars?

Literally any of the FAs on vet min deals would be an upgrade over Barnes

[Colbinii]

Hard pass for the Knicks.

Harrison Barnes has negative value. Who wants an old PF that can’t rebound or defend and is making sizable dollars?

Literally any of the FAs on vet min deals would be an upgrade over Barnes

Huh? Barnes may be an MLE player rather than his current salary, but he isn't a minimum player.

Who on a minimum deal is better than Barnes?

[KOA]

Hard pass for the Knicks.

Harrison Barnes has negative value. Who wants an old PF that can’t rebound or defend and is making sizable dollars?

Literally any of the FAs on vet min deals would be an upgrade over Barnes

Huh? Barnes may be an MLE player rather than his current salary, but he isn't a minimum player.

Who on a minimum deal is better than Barnes?

Id rather have Taurean Prince, Batum, Crowder, Gallinari, or Marcus Morris on small deals than Barnes on his crazy contract.

[Colbinii]

Hard pass for the Knicks.

Harrison Barnes has negative value. Who wants an old PF that can’t rebound or defend and is making sizable dollars?

Literally any of the FAs on vet min deals would be an upgrade over Barnes

Huh? Barnes may be an MLE player rather than his current salary, but he isn't a minimum player.

Who on a minimum deal is better than Barnes?

Id rather have Taurean Prince, Batum, Crowder, Gallinari, or Marcus Morris on small deals than Barnes on his crazy contract.

Sure, but Barnes is better than most of those guys if you can afford him.

[Knickfan1982]

Huh? Barnes may be an MLE player rather than his current salary, but he isn't a minimum player.

Who on a minimum deal is better than Barnes?

Id rather have Taurean Prince, Batum, Crowder, Gallinari, or Marcus Morris on small deals than Barnes on his crazy contract.

Sure, but Barnes is better than most of those guys if you can afford him.

But he's also a little over 3 million dollars more expensive than Robinson this year and roughly 6 million more expensive next season. So to my point earlier the Knicks will need additional compensation for any Barnes/Robinson swap. Otherwise there is no reason for the Knicks to give up the younger, cheaper and better player.

[Texas Chuck]

Id rather have Taurean Prince, Batum, Crowder, Gallinari, or Marcus Morris on small deals than Barnes on his crazy contract.

Sure, but Barnes is better than most of those guys if you can afford him.

But he's also a little over 3 million dollars more expensive than Robinson this year and roughly 6 million more expensive next season. So to my point earlier the Knicks will need additional compensation for any Barnes/Robinson swap. Otherwise there is no reason for the Knicks to give up the younger, cheaper and better player.

I have no idea the value of Robinson vs Barnes. I have Robinson the more impactful player. And as you point out, cheaper. OTOH Barnes is more durable and because of position you gain flexibility. If IH is back and playing starter's minutes you can get a backup center on the min or close but its harder to get a solid forward who shoots well and is good enough defensively to stay on the court for cheap.

I think in some ways Barnes represents a better value in certain circumstances even if I think Robinson is better. Dallas sort of has this issue with Gafford at the moment. He's a better player than say Josh Green, but if Lively continues to step forward his role gets marginalized which is one of the reasons I'm open to including him in deals if it upgrades elsewhere rather than just have that value sitting on the bench more.