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[ShootingtheJ]

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I like how we keep hearing the words "more versatile". Pretty sure that relates to defense, as Pat played a surprisingly versatile role on offense this year.

[fansinceforever]

That's one bad offense without Middleton. We didn't have enough guys that could dribble before, and now the wings are Dort and Murray. Our lack of ball handling gets exposed in the playoffs, as does Dorts shooting.

Always thought that being in a win now mode any trade you make especially if its midds you would want a return thats equal or better than midds value.
That trade fu... sucks again midds isnt going anywhere its brook portis and etc the big 3 will stay

PSA trading KM for 2 or more assets that are athletic, play D, hustle, and have some offensive skill is not a step backwards. And no they don't HAVE to be star players nor be able to take guys off the dribble. This isn't playground or Y ball. These kind of players is what you need to give Indy and Boston fits. Dame and Giannis can run the show and set people up.

This message needs to be amplified.

[ShootingtheJ]

Always thought that being in a win now mode any trade you make especially if its midds you would want a return thats equal or better than midds value.
That trade fu... sucks again midds isnt going anywhere its brook portis and etc the big 3 will stay

PSA trading KM for 2 or more assets that are athletic, play D, hustle, and have some offensive skill is not a step backwards. And no they don't HAVE to be star players nor be able to take guys off the dribble. This isn't playground or Y ball. These kind of players is what you need to give Indy and Boston fits. Dame and Giannis can run the show and set people up.

This message needs to be amplified.

No. Playoff teams win with stars. Role players might help in the regular season, but they're liabilities in the playoffs.

[Ron Swanson]

Pat has neutral value at best in a trade, so I don't see the point when we can't combine his salary for a better player. He's still gonna be a solid 15-20 minute veteran depth option, and we can't be completely devoid of players like that on the roster.

[fansinceforever]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

[fansinceforever]

PSA trading KM for 2 or more assets that are athletic, play D, hustle, and have some offensive skill is not a step backwards. And no they don't HAVE to be star players nor be able to take guys off the dribble. This isn't playground or Y ball. These kind of players is what you need to give Indy and Boston fits. Dame and Giannis can run the show and set people up.

This message needs to be amplified.

No. Playoff teams win with stars. Role players might help in the regular season, but they're liabilities in the playoffs.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one who pays attention to the NBA here. This pointless statement is not going to change our opinion.

[Ron Swanson]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

[paulpressey25]

Gist of this scenario Bleacher Report’s Allen Stiles floats is Middleton for Wiggins, Moody and Porziemski specifying “I know a lot of people are high on Porziemski.”

Would not deal Khris for Wiggins and Moody. But if they add Podz, the pride of the Padre Sierra? That shifts the equation a lot, and then the question is whether you think Podz game has room to grow as he’s only 21. From the Podz games I saw, he looked very good and ended up on the all rookie team.

Of all the Middleton deals, this one would bring back the highest ceiling, but it all depends on if Wiggins decides to show up or not. But at least with Podz you’ve got an asset with growth potential to fall back on.

[fansinceforever]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

The '21 Milwaukee Bucks. It's also possible we receive guys back for Middleton that have the ability to create offensively at least as well as Jrue did during that run.

We know our defense isn't improving unless we improve our ability to defend the perimeter and at the rim. How many teams have won the championship in the last 20 years with a middling defense?

[raferfenix]

Of all the Middleton deals, this one would bring back the highest ceiling, but it all depends on if Wiggins decides to show up or not. But at least with Podz you’ve got an asset with growth potential to fall back on.

Does Podz play defense and take it to the rack, or more just a three point sniper?

Also with the CP3 news maybe he’d be involved instead of Wiggins. I’d prefer Dame’s boy Jerami Grant for instance, and maybe we could pull a Connaughton for Thybulle swap as part of that if Portland is in a multi-team trade.

[Daver]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

Didnt land on anything read it off of yahoo n just copied it

[paulpressey25]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

I get your point. At the same time go back to the comments from Doc last week about how Giannis and Middleton were bringing the ball up court after made baskets rather than Dame. And how that had to change, so Dame runs the team.

If a trade is out there for Bobby or Brook that makes the team a lot better, all for it. But you’ve blown your wad on the Dame asset. If he and Giannis are 100% during the Indy series, you’re not relying on Khris like we did. A part of our current board analysis is colored on Khris being healthy and needing to be the man during that Indy series (which he was). He’s less critical if you have your two prior 30ppg scorers playing 38mpg in the playoffs.

[Daver]

Just a little tidbit i read:for anyone saying the bucks are so old

The average age of the Milwaukee Bucks' starting five is 31.4 years old.

The average age of the Boston Celtics starting five in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (with 37-year-old Al Horford) was 30.4.

Understand thats with horford starting but with KP it dropped to 30 7 just saying doesnt seem like a huge difference between the champs and us

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

Didnt land on anything read it off of yahoo n just copied it

Didnt say starting rotation it said average age of the team .Like boston if lopez is dealt age will drop big time

[ShootingtheJ]

Gist of this scenario Bleacher Report’s Allen Stiles floats is Middleton for Wiggins, Moody and Porziemski specifying “I know a lot of people are high on Porziemski.”

Would not deal Khris for Wiggins and Moody. But if they add Podz, the pride of the Padre Sierra? That shifts the equation a lot, and then the question is whether you think Podz game has room to grow as he’s only 21. From the Podz games I saw, he looked very good and ended up on the all rookie team.

Of all the Middleton deals, this one would bring back the highest ceiling, but it all depends on if Wiggins decides to show up or not. But at least with Podz you’ve got an asset with growth potential to fall back on.

Pods offense was no surprise, but I was shocked at how well he defended. Held up well at the PoA, which is not something rookies do. He'd be perfect as our SG.

However, this deal isn't presently legal for GS (they could get there though). Would we still be contenders with this deal? Probably not.

[ShootingtheJ]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

I get your point. At the same time go back to the comments from Doc last week about how Giannis and Middleton were bringing the ball up court after made baskets rather than Dame. And how that had to change, so Dame runs the team.

If a trade is out there for Bobby or Brook that makes the team a lot better, all for it. But you’ve blown your wad on the Dame asset. If he and Giannis are 100% during the Indy series, you’re not relying on Khris like we did. A part of our current board analysis is colored on Khris being healthy and needing to be the man during that Indy series (which he was). He’s less critical if you have your two prior 30ppg scorers playing 38mpg in the playoffs.

We had Dame, but he was often denied the ball versus the Pacers. You need other ball handlers. If the Bucks had Giannis and Dame, Khris would absolutely cook with all the isolation he'd get because of their gravity. He's more critical than ever, especially with this version of Dame who wasnt a great shot maker.

[Daver]

Gist of this scenario Bleacher Report’s Allen Stiles floats is Middleton for Wiggins, Moody and Porziemski specifying “I know a lot of people are high on Porziemski.”

Would not deal Khris for Wiggins and Moody. But if they add Podz, the pride of the Padre Sierra? That shifts the equation a lot, and then the question is whether you think Podz game has room to grow as he’s only 21. From the Podz games I saw, he looked very good and ended up on the all rookie team.

Of all the Middleton deals, this one would bring back the highest ceiling, but it all depends on if Wiggins decides to show up or not. But at least with Podz you’ve got an asset with growth potential to fall back on.

Pods offense was no surprise, but I was shocked at how well he defended. Held up well at the PoA, which is not something rookies do. He'd be perfect as our SG.

However, this deal isn't presently legal for GS (they could get there though). Would we still be contenders with this deal? Probably not.

If wiggins is the wiggins of 20 or 21 would it be worth it.Had a really good year and was good on the D side

[ShootingtheJ]

Pat has neutral value at best in a trade, so I don't see the point when we can't combine his salary for a better player. He's still gonna be a solid 15-20 minute veteran depth option, and we can't be completely devoid of players like that on the roster.

True, but you wanted to dump Marjon for nothing just to save $700K. If we dumped Pat for nothing, we'd save $9.4 million, and we'd have the tMLE. Decent chance Marjon is better than Pat next year.

[ShootingtheJ]

Would not deal Khris for Wiggins and Moody. But if they add Podz, the pride of the Padre Sierra? That shifts the equation a lot, and then the question is whether you think Podz game has room to grow as he’s only 21. From the Podz games I saw, he looked very good and ended up on the all rookie team.

Of all the Middleton deals, this one would bring back the highest ceiling, but it all depends on if Wiggins decides to show up or not. But at least with Podz you’ve got an asset with growth potential to fall back on.

Pods offense was no surprise, but I was shocked at how well he defended. Held up well at the PoA, which is not something rookies do. He'd be perfect as our SG.

However, this deal isn't presently legal for GS (they could get there though). Would we still be contenders with this deal? Probably not.

If wiggins is the wiggins of 20 or 21 would it be worth it.Had a really good year and was good on the D side

Better chance that he's the player he was the last 2 years, who wasn't good.

[Daver]

Name me a single champion in the last 20 or so years that basically had just one perimeter shot-creator though. Because all these trades where you're dealing Khris for a couple "athletic 3&D guys" leaves us with just that. Like, no, I don't believe that putting a bunch of Bruce Browns and Matisse Thybulles around Dame/Giannis means the offense will still be "fine". Our only young guys (Green, AJJ, Marjon) don't have that kind of potential so who are you then going out and filling the offense/play-making/shooting void that trading Khris leaves?

I get your point. At the same time go back to the comments from Doc last week about how Giannis and Middleton were bringing the ball up court after made baskets rather than Dame. And how that had to change, so Dame runs the team.

If a trade is out there for Bobby or Brook that makes the team a lot better, all for it. But you’ve blown your wad on the Dame asset. If he and Giannis are 100% during the Indy series, you’re not relying on Khris like we did. A part of our current board analysis is colored on Khris being healthy and needing to be the man during that Indy series (which he was). He’s less critical if you have your two prior 30ppg scorers playing 38mpg in the playoffs.

We had Dame, but he was often denied the ball versus the Pacers. You need other ball handlers. If the Bucks had Giannis and Dame, Khris would absolutely cook with all the isolation he'd get because of their gravity. He's more critical than ever, especially with this version of Dame who wasnt a great shot maker.

Thats why i wanna see this team play this year dame has already stated he will be in great shape midds says he healthy.Doc has said he couldnt incorporate his system last year.Im very excited to see these 3 guys work together with a full offseason n dame coming into camp in great shape

[fansinceforever]

We have a 29 year old who will turn 30 in December, a 32, 33 and 37 year old. We also don't know who our 5th starter is so I'm not sure how you landed on 31.4.

Didnt land on anything read it off of yahoo n just copied it

Didnt say starting rotation it said average age of the team .Like boston if lopez is dealt age will drop big time

Makes sense but obviously our overall age is brought down by guys who don't play and we're not sure if they're ever going to be able to play.

Other than Jrue and Horford, Everybody who plays big minutes for the Celtics is under 30.