Monk signing and Kings Tax situation - impact for Trent

[RoteSchroder]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

If we're operating over the cap, it's a good idea to retain assets. And GTJr was basically our best/most consistent shooting threat last year. Ideally, he plays a smaller role of a 6th man off the bench and we stop putting the ball in his hands as a playmaker.

Bench needs to be staggered or strengthened so that GTJr is an afterthought in the offense, which is when his shooting comes in handy.

I don't think so. Not in this case, at least.

We have IQ due for a huge raise and Barnes for the max shortly thereafter. By the time we fill out the roster, resigning Trent probably takes us into the tax.

Correct if I'm wrong, but the luxury tax for next season is $171 M right? And likely to increase the season after (to around $188 M)?

If Scottie gets ~40 M the following season, IQ's at 26 M, GTJr's at 15 M, it seems like we got plenty of room to spare before hitting the luxury tax? Unless we trade Brown/Boucher for long-term contracts.

[arbsn]

If Monk is $17m/year then Trent is worth $8-9m/year

Monk is way better than GTjr

[Thaddy]

Dick can replace his production and give more. In Gradey's rookie year he beat GTJs career high in assists several times.

I would take a combo guard in the draft like McCain if he drops to us, Carrington, Tyson, or in the 2nd like Simpson. Anything would be better Trent's inconsistency and lack of all around game.

It's at the point where I wouldn't bring him back for completely free. Around January last season he was just a complete scrub coming off our bench.

[dagger]

I would not make too much of Monk's deal. The Raptors are highly unlikely to view Trent as a long-term need, but short-term (one guaranteed season) when the team won't have a tax issue, is another matter. On the open market, given what other teams with cap space are looking for, he's an MLE level target. If we retain him, for say, $16-17m for the coming season, but nothing guaranteed after that (i.e. team option), he becomes a useful trade piece at the deadline, even if it's just to get a second round pick in one of the next two drafts. I'm assuming we are going topic up Brown's option and do the same. If this free agent class were deep (it isn't) and Toronto could get a really good *young* FA to sign here, I might feel more strongly about cap space. So I am fine with keeping Gary so long as the exposure is limited to one-season with a team option.

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah, you retain the 25 year old who is your best shooter if it’s a fair deal.

In no world do you let him walk on a team that is pretty bare in terms of assets.

[Syd-TK3]

Gary is not worth he money he is making now and he definetly shouldn't be making the same or more then Monk.
But Raptors tax is unfortunately different and unless masai has clear plans for our cap space the most likely scenario is we overpay Gary on a short 2 year deal

[ontnut]

re-sign him short term, and look to move him immediately. S&T would be ideal for an expiring plus a pick or recent pick.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

We dont sign external FAs anyways and we suck so does it really matter if we pay GTJ for a couple years? Not like we will spend his money on something else relevant

[ItsDanger]

According to Lewenberg at last trade deadline, they turned down 2 second round picks for Trent (unknown quality). He has low trade value around the league and must be viewed as a contract that just balances out notional values. The downside of this tactic is wasting time and opportunities with alternative younger players. This hypothetical trade scenario often promoted here might happen, but it might not.

[agkagk]

Does everyone still really want Trent resigned?

Is that the consensus?

I am still totally down with moving on..

he's always going to be a less efficient poor man's Norm who won't impact winning and probably take too many shots from a team in development, with alot of young guys who will need/could use shots.

Also will likely be atleast slightly overpaid for whatever limited overall value he provides as well..

one dimensional/inefficient/allergic to the paint/poor defender/tunnel vision/exclusively chucking jump shooter/zero playmaking /soft/small/selfish play style

I'm good.

I think a lot of people still have trauma issues from losing FVV for nothing lol. I'm fine with him walking, but a S&T would be ideal, albeit unlikely af.

I think I still have trauma issues from doing the S&T of Lowry in getting Dragic and Achiuwa then trade down for Young in avoiding the tax, but that is the only way for him to get over the MLE through our birds.

I am also traumatized from turning lowry into achiuwa and achiuwa into quickley.


This gratification wasnt instant enough.


Masai trapped miami into signing lowry to a poison pill contract and guaranteeing they have to rebuild just as were on the come up.



If only masai got an extra 27th overall pick for lowry….


Ps: masai’s still the goat…..by a lot!

[Scase]

I think a lot of people still have trauma issues from losing FVV for nothing lol. I'm fine with him walking, but a S&T would be ideal, albeit unlikely af.

I think I still have trauma issues from doing the S&T of Lowry in getting Dragic and Achiuwa then trade down for Young in avoiding the tax, but that is the only way for him to get over the MLE through our birds.

I am also traumatized from turning lowry into achiuwa and achiuwa into quickley.


This gratification wasnt instant enough.


Masai trapped miami into signing lowry to a poison pill contract and guaranteeing they have to rebuild just as were on the come up.



If only masai got an extra 27th overall pick for lowry….


Ps: masai’s still the goat…..by a lot!

Yeah man, how could we ever have swung that trade without Precious

Guess we traded OG for nothing, utter delusion.

[agkagk]

I think I still have trauma issues from doing the S&T of Lowry in getting Dragic and Achiuwa then trade down for Young in avoiding the tax, but that is the only way for him to get over the MLE through our birds.

I am also traumatized from turning lowry into achiuwa and achiuwa into quickley.


This gratification wasnt instant enough.


Masai trapped miami into signing lowry to a poison pill contract and guaranteeing they have to rebuild just as were on the come up.



If only masai got an extra 27th overall pick for lowry….


Ps: masai’s still the goat…..by a lot!

Yeah man, how could we ever have swung that trade without Precious

Guess we traded OG for nothing, utter delusion.

My mistake precious is clearly a negative asset.

Lowry’s negative contract wont be addressed.

Cause…. Im delusional lol

[Indeed]

I am also traumatized from turning lowry into achiuwa and achiuwa into quickley.


This gratification wasnt instant enough.


Masai trapped miami into signing lowry to a poison pill contract and guaranteeing they have to rebuild just as were on the come up.



If only masai got an extra 27th overall pick for lowry….


Ps: masai’s still the goat…..by a lot!

Yeah man, how could we ever have swung that trade without Precious

Guess we traded OG for nothing, utter delusion.

My mistake precious is clearly a negative asset.

Lowry’s negative contract wont be addressed.

Cause…. Im delusional lol

More like a throw in, as we dont want to pay for his next contract

[Scase]

I am also traumatized from turning lowry into achiuwa and achiuwa into quickley.


This gratification wasnt instant enough.


Masai trapped miami into signing lowry to a poison pill contract and guaranteeing they have to rebuild just as were on the come up.



If only masai got an extra 27th overall pick for lowry….


Ps: masai’s still the goat…..by a lot!

Yeah man, how could we ever have swung that trade without Precious

Guess we traded OG for nothing, utter delusion.

My mistake precious is clearly a negative asset.

Lowry’s negative contract wont be addressed.

Cause…. Im delusional lol

How was Lowrys contract a negative exactly? We didn't sign him to keep, who cares if the Heat get a good or bad contract. Precious was filler in the heat trade, and in the knicks trade. But I'm sure that Precious being on his 3rd team in 4 years is just a coincidence, or better yet, it's because he's such a sought after player right?

So yeah, you are delusional.

[Rapsalot]

Only want Gary back if deal just above MLE 3 years last is team option. Don’t get me wrong Gary is a true pro and class act but this is pay for performance and I don’t think he game value to last contract so I don’t think he has earned a raise.

[agkagk]

Yeah man, how could we ever have swung that trade without Precious

Guess we traded OG for nothing, utter delusion.

My mistake precious is clearly a negative asset.

Lowry’s negative contract wont be addressed.

Cause…. Im delusional lol

How was Lowrys contract a negative exactly? We didn't sign him to keep, who cares if the Heat get a good or bad contract. Precious was filler in the heat trade, and in the knicks trade. But I'm sure that Precious being on his 3rd team in 4 years is just a coincidence, or better yet, it's because he's such a sought after player right?

So yeah, you are delusional.

The miami heat signed lowry to a poison pill contract and effed up their cap sheet.

[Scase]

My mistake precious is clearly a negative asset.

Lowry’s negative contract wont be addressed.

Cause…. Im delusional lol

How was Lowrys contract a negative exactly? We didn't sign him to keep, who cares if the Heat get a good or bad contract. Precious was filler in the heat trade, and in the knicks trade. But I'm sure that Precious being on his 3rd team in 4 years is just a coincidence, or better yet, it's because he's such a sought after player right?

So yeah, you are delusional.

The miami heat signed lowry to a poison pill contract and effed up their cap sheet.

And this matters because? It has nothing to do with Precious, or hell, even our team. Those goalposts must have legs or something.

[agkagk]

How was Lowrys contract a negative exactly? We didn't sign him to keep, who cares if the Heat get a good or bad contract. Precious was filler in the heat trade, and in the knicks trade. But I'm sure that Precious being on his 3rd team in 4 years is just a coincidence, or better yet, it's because he's such a sought after player right?

So yeah, you are delusional.

The miami heat signed lowry to a poison pill contract and effed up their cap sheet.

And this matters because? It has nothing to do with Precious, or hell, even our team. Those goalposts must have legs or something.

What?


….you sure about that?

[torsport]

Sorry had to bump this. Turned out to be Sasha, Davion and 45!

Bobby was making the cap flexibility a talking point at the end of the year with the new tax rules. I think this went in our favor.

Also explains waiving Gueye. Also probably means we need to release some folks and not re-sign Nwora to make space for everyone.

Surprised I didn't see this here.

This also puts Sacto over the luxury tax with another open roster spot, which I wonder if they would trade their pick, trade down, or do something else to get under the tax. They're not that far over, as the article suggests Sasha Vezenkov would do it, or maybe a combo of Davion/Duarte.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reported-monk-contract-changes-kings-175756273.html

[torsport]

Sorry had to bump this. Turned out to be Sasha, Davion and 45!

Bobby was making the cap flexibility a talking point at the end of the year with the new tax rules. I think this went in our favor.

Also explains waiving Gueye. Also probably means we need to release some folks and not re-sign Nwora to make space for everyone.

This also puts Sacto over the luxury tax with another open roster spot, which I wonder if they would trade their pick, trade down, or do something else to get under the tax. They're not that far over, as the article suggests Sasha Vezenkov would do it, or maybe a combo of Davion/Duarte.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reported-monk-contract-changes-kings-175756273.html